I think everyone has occasionally one ugly friend that can pull, but that isnt the standard nor does that change the reality of the situation.

You said confidence is needed for the ability to "chat up" women. Are you referring for simply being able to talk to women and be calm, not nervous, funny and etc? Alot of my friends and women assume I have "game" because I have no issue talking with strangers, making them laugh and etc (years of work + customer service experience), but that doesnt translate to women or girlfriends. Like....quantify what you describe as game

Op and myself havent given up. It just doesnt work. Sure you start over if you get a no, but the start over point for some men is so drastically different that it makes the game almost not worth playing and extremely not fun. If a woman isnt obese she generally isnt even trying to hear what Im saying. This goes for IRL and Online. There are some great bigger women, but it definitely makes you really look at yourself, question your own self worth, level of attractiveness, and etc.

/endrant

Okay - So you have 0 Self worth then?...

I don't get it. You think i was like this all my life? No.
Up until 3 years ago i had only slept with 6 women - That was over 10 year period.

Then i went & gained confidence through the gym - Stopped caring what people said.

My guess is you just simply can't hold an interesting enough conversation to sleep with them.

For me? Honestly, a lot of times, it feels just like dumb luck.

Online for me has been a crapshoot, I've pulled the hottest girls from there but it was probably by sheer chance. Honestly don't think game matters online and its 100% looks/perceived lifestyle, when they match they either are down or they aren't.

I have been approached a few times at bars/clubs, it's waaaaay easier there. If you are a good speaker its game over.

If you looksmax (not necessarily getting yolked, but dressing well and having a nice haircut that complements your facial structure) and are a really good conversationalist, and put off a 'fun' vibe, pulling irl should be way easier

I have alot of self worth.Where in my post did I even say I didnt have self worth .My life has been an interesting journey, but putting in work and grinding has generally got me what I wanted. Dating is just an odd thing that doesn't seem to work. From age 16 until really last year I went above and beyond and tried everything. Was even a bouncer this year for 6 months during school in a college town. IOIs were like non existent, and flirting /being friendly, seeing hundreds of women a night did nada for me. I've used Vick and Pondus (Chad Lites) photos on this board. My game works with other peoples photos. Oddly enough enough masters of game cannot pull online with my photos. This includes when I was yolked af. Ive been with dozens of women. However getting an 5/10 girl that is HWP seems like mission impossible.

Don't buy the "cant hold interest" because I've coached alot of guys from incel mode to savage mode. And some of the guys Ive coached have asked me why my advice / actions work better for other people than myself lol.

I like this post m8. You arent spouting out some nonsensical vague smug b.s

If you really ain't frauding and legit had more success than rejections than you're more than a 7.5 tbh. Usually it's the opposite for most guys and if you're telling the truth, you probably had women approach you than the other way around and that's what made chit easy for you.

I wouldn't go that far. Usually most of these women saying stuff like that are trying to justify how mediocre to bad they themselves look... Rest assured, most women prefer men who are in shape and look like they're in shape. The cutoff of course is at the point that those men get so into themselves that they're acting worse than most women act. I've had women to my face tell me that the reason they left their in shape exes was because the dudes would feel the need to check themselves out in every single mirror, car window, etc. that they walked by to the point it got disturbing. Let the woman admire you; if you're sucking your own dick, I'd imagine that that's not even giving her the opportunity to decide if she'd want to do anything along those lines to you yourself.

As far as the last part of your post, what? You say social autism with women is a natural thing, but then are you implying that it can be fixed by becoming more confident? Which is it?Dear god, I hope you're not proud of that lmfao

A lot of what you've posted is quite contradictory to what you're saying elsewhere. The reason these guys are failing is because they're overvaluing pussy. That's the simple fact of the matter. Of course, so are you, if you felt the need to mention you smashed 50+ women off of Tinder. That's not funny, impressive, or noteworthy. Personally, I think it's stupid, but to each their own. Who has that kind of time or desire to mess with that many women off of a dating app of all things?

standard cookie cutter advice really.

Work on yourself. Learn to treat women like men. Tease them. put yourself in fun situations. surround yourself with other people of high worth that women want to be with. do your best not to be clingy or desperate because girls can suss that out real easy. go for the girls you are interested in who are also showing interest in you.

you can't "teach" someone how to get girls. you can give them pointers, you can give them what works for you, but everyone is different. If you've already looksmaxxed, there isn't much more you can do besides try and try again. There are 7 billion people on this earth, eventually you'll find one. In my experience (and many others based on shared stories) the girls you want to end up with usually end up finding you, not the other way around. Learn how to chase a girl without being relentless/annoying. Focus on more than just women, have a life outside of dating, even if it's just partying every weekend with the boys.

Other than that, I don't have much other advice to give. Set standards for yourself, in terms of partners, morals, beliefs, methods, etc, and stick by them.

If your texting/online dating game isn't good, don't bother unless you have the looks to pull them in with nothing else. I've smashed a total of 0 girls off dating apps, but do just fine with in person encounters. I actually dated a girl for a year who I met in the gym, and later came to realize that her and I had matched and talked on both tinder and OkCupid before meeting, but nothing had amounted from the online dating. Only in person interactions.

FLChamp

1. I'm glad you're pointing out the inconsistencies in the guys post. Glad to know Im not insane.
2."The reason these guys are failing is because they're overvaluing pussy. That's the simple fact of the matter."

What does # 2 even mean. How do we quantify over valuing something and then how does that have bearing on getting that thing ? Now you sound like BulkingAkaFAT. Just saying **** that doesnt make any sense. How does OP "value pussy less", and then once he does that, how and why would it result in him actually getting dates, sex, girlfriends, or etc.

This is literally my problem with borderline most "successful with women" guys in this section. They just say stuff that doesnt follow or make any sense logically.

Pursuing....not chasing

Anyone can get drunk and message 2/10s online. Getting a girl that is not obese and attractive, that likes you back irl is hard.

lol touche

girls equate them the same, so I do as well. But there is def a distinction

I don't listen to what girls say about that. What they want chasing is really game playing and stringing dudes along. Pursuing a little bit is normal and healthy but if there ain't no reciprocating then charge their asses to the game.

the things i do to get laid: have a plan for get-togethers, touch them when I can, maintain strong eye contact, have plenty of humor, always dress well for meetings, and (probably the most important part) physically escalate when I believe I can.

I'm just Mode One with them (upfront and specific and straight forward that I wanna hook up with them in both PG-13 and R-rated and X-rated ways) and I focus on turning them on by being blunt (real women love an honest guy) and using dirty talk. That's when I give them my number or we exchange numbers and if they're interested, they'll call or text me or respond when I call them. It can be days, weeks or months later but if they have some sign of interest, they will get in contact with me and that's when I have the advantage (especially if I don't remember who they are and I decide to pursue further).

TL: DR I focus on trying to seduce women who are on the fence about me and just being myself and making things happen with women that have a high amount of interest in me while trying to identify and avoid women that have no interest in me and will waste my time.

Well, both of you guys have literally been complaining about this same subject here for over a decade and counting. Probably 20 years total between the two of you (I'm not looking at his join date at the moment). I'm willing to bet that in a calendar year I probably walk up to and talk to less women than you guys do, yet I probably get rejected more than you guys do. On paper my rejection rate could be in the toilet compared to both of yours. But you want to know what the difference is? I really do not give a f u c k. Neither of you guys are virgins. You've boned someone before; most likely someone attractive, so I doubt there's anything really stopping that from logically happening again in the future. That being said, you guys constantly stress this. And when you say things like, "I'm volunteering here so I can find someone to sleep with," it is obviously a statement reeking of desperation, and your actions are going to show this. If that is truly one of the main reasons you felt compelled to volunteer your time to help others, you're trash. Volunteer to build up your CV. Volunteer because you genuinely have a spirit of service and you want to help others. Stop volunteering because you want an easy method of getting pussy, because I guarantee you that's a way to label yourself as a creep and a scumbag more than anything else. It's like the guys who hit on women constantly in the gym, but never train. The guys hitting on women in the library, but never studying. The guys in the coffee shop hitting on women, but never getting any damn coffee or food. Go do something or go somewhere primarily for its intended purpose. I'm not saying don't strike when the iron's hot, but hot damn, this dude is literally saying he is volunteering for a way to get laid.How fucking pathetic is that?

That is why these threads are always circular and always contain the same advice you want to call redundant, smug, etc. There is no damned secret to getting women. All you literally can do is be yourself and cast the die. Beyond that, there are no special techniques, no special tactics, no silly "game" or methods, no amount of "coaching" that can help you. Everything you need to get women was granted to you at birth. But you guys choose to dilute your minds with so much bullcrap that you eventually became blind to it. You think we're "good with women" just because we look a certain way, do a certain activity, have a certain career, etc., when in reality that's not the case at all.

I mean, really. Ask yourselves why you want to tag legions of women so badly. What is the true appeal behind that? I don't think I've slept with even half of what this other clown claimed he got off of Tinder just based on the women I've made genuine connections with in person. Why would you want that much of a headache, that much time acting like a jester, and that much time onutter shitthat is ultimately not that important just to say you have boned a lot of women? You guys have both individually made over ten thousand posts here; far more than I've made, and they're most likely just posts going on and on about this same crap. Have either of you guys once stopped to think that, "hey, maybe they keep on repeating themselves because this is literally all it takes?" We can't live your lives for you, dudes. Sometimes to get what you want is going to require you do some deep introspection into yourself and determine and figure out what you really want, and why you really want it. Spend some time away from this forum doing that and maybe, just maybe, you'll find whatever answer it is you're looking for.

LMAO real talk right here. They don't want advice or they say the advice we give out doesn't work with them or is bad advice so I'm guessing they just want an echo chamber of people agreeing with them but that ain't gonna change their situation.

I do wish them the best of luck but making countless threads and posts about the same thing ain't gonna help them.

I don't pull a ton, but i have had multiple flings and multiple girlfriends. How I see it from a non player perspective being an average guy with average looks.

1) You have to get out of the house to meet anyone let alone women. (You're already doing this, keep it up)
2) You have to be social and fun for anyone to want to be around you, especially women. (sounds like you're already doing this too, keep it up)

3) Do co-ed activities/hobbies other than just going to the bar. bars/clubs are where people with game succeed, not average joe. Heck one of my friends is 5'6, average looks, over all not very social and had 0 experience with women, not rich or anything, but actually met and is now dating a cute girl from co-ed volleyball league.
4) Always keep looking to expand your social circle. Almost all my success has come from girls who were my friends or friends of friends. If I was you, that girl you were connecting with who had the BF. Friendzone her and still get her number. Make friends with her because it might lead to you making friends with her single friends. Or maybe she breaks up with her bf and a few months down the road she's looking for a new guy.

Anyways, that's how I go about it. I don't focus on getting women when i go out or anything like i know some guys do, but I'm always open to meeting new people guy or girl because you never know how you might meet a cool new bro friend or a girl that you're interested in, and in doing so even as an average guy I have avoided being one of these jaded virgins.

Lots of "normal" guys don't know how to talk to women. They're fine when talking to other guys, but they don't understand that talking to a woman is different. I had to learn that lesson myself when I was younger. The subject matter and the types of jokes you should make, when talking to women, is not the same as what you'd say with your bro's.

Example, self-deprecating humor is a no-no with women. They see it as lack of confidence and that's the kiss of death. With your buddies, where everyone is busting each other's balls, it's fine.

I'm on day 32 of NoFap/No PMO and doing it to build up discipline not get girls. Seems like you need to find a higher purpose than getting your nut out.

Well thanks for posting something actionable that I can apply to my next outing. I’m usually more focused on getting them to meet up afterwards, but there have been a few opportunities where they would’ve been down to go outside or get a drink together etc. I’ll also have to re-evaluate and be mindful of my levels of banter etc as well. I mean sometimes its obvious the flirtation and sexuality is there but admittedly there are a few times where I’m talking as if they’re a lead I’d try selling to during the day…as in I’m engaging and say playful sht but not in a sexual way ie I "just be myself". Either way I will try the things you posted.Of course brah definitely remember watching this show. And unfortunately that's looking like the case. I mean I try not to think about it but every once in a while it does slap me in the face that all my self improvements have lead nowhere in the area of women. Looking at myself 5 years ago to now I've made vast improvements, but doesn't seem like women are picking up on it.

Like you said just trying to stay mentally intact and focus on other things.Your posts are good but a lot of the times I find myself having to point out your blatant disregard to key points in my posts. I specifically stated that I don’t volunteer for women and that I bought it up simply because that is the usual prescription miscers recommend. Do you really think I’d wake up at 8am on a Saturday for a punters chance at meeting a woman? The meetups and things I’m getting involved in are to try new things and explore the city I just moved to.

I don’t know how you manage to be so indifferent to women and I wish I was the same. Good on you for that. However, most guys put some type of value on women. Some are desperate about it, some are good at hiding it or game, and some are just good looking enough that its not an issue. Either way I think it would be strange for me to not worry about my terrible luck in this area. I post once every other month these days and spend most of my time away from the misc. I do go out to have a good time more often than not. However in the midst of my self improvement and introspection its like damn “when/how can I figure this part out?”. This thread was asking for actionable steps towards how to improve my results with women. As otaku vocaroo’d I just want the same peace of mind with women as I get when I get under the bar to do a warmup set.

Congrats on the 32 days and good luck on your NoNutNovember goals. This thread is about women so I posted my NoFap regimen as it applies to women. Personally I'm just doing it for discipline and inner peace. I definitely have much bigger goals than busting a nut but its hard not to worry with such dismal results.
Mostly writing this as a response to Zackad's post. You bring up a very good point re it being a different ball game. I can't talk to girls or treat them like guys because well....they're different as ****. I mean at my old job it was pretty comical how almost all of us guys were cool with each other but mostly didn't talk to girls a lot. I'm saying that to say that I've made an effort to do as you mentioned, expand my network in general with both sexes, and things haven't panned out. I mean maybe I just need to be more patient and continue to participate in the things I'm doing. Its just frustrating that plenty of guys out there don't have to do any self-improvement or do anything extracurricular and still get laid. Just gonna play the card I was dealt and hope for the best.

This x1,000,000,000

Yeah?

Let me test the theory then - Give me 5 of your best pictures & i'll start a tinder profile in your name.
I'll run a thread on the success & prove it all falls down to individuals. Not their pictures AS MUCH....

Because i believe the only thing stopping you banging - Is yourself....

is it coz you are black?

Get on the dating apps and be hyper sexual. Don’t go where they want the conversation, make it to where you want it to be which is you banging them.

Most women will say no but a few will say yes because they respect how up front you are. I’ve banged at least 50 women from the apps using this method

Bold # 1 : This is to the go to strategy of most "advice" giving miscers. Twist your post, add in stuff you never even said, strawman it to hell, and then boom

Bold # 2: This. It blows my mind how miscers thinking a 30 year old man going "man why dont women like" is somehow being obsessed or focused on the wrong things. Unless you have test levels of a 80 year old woman you are going to want to talk to women or hang out with them. wtf.Frustrating? You're frustrated ? OMG WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH SEE THATS YOUR PROBLEM NOOB !!!!!!!!!! (see how retarded that sounds)Yeah I have a pretty chill vibe about me now and just go with the flow of things and because of this, I noticed that I've gotten more IOIs and women starting talking to me out of nowhere and women acting nicer with me (as someone put it, it's because I look sexually content). Of course not every woman acts like this but it's been happening more often. When I used to go looking for pussy, I had this thirsty vibe about me and it made things awkward and unauthentic from time to time.

Having an IDGAF attitude does wonders.var testRender = function() {
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So you're admitting you just walk around, women talk to you, and make it easy..........

Doesn't happen every day but it's been happening more often I noticed. It's because I don't wear glasses no more and I'm bear mode now and plus I have a beard so overall I look better than I did before. Before I got LASIK surgery, it almost never happened (looking like a black nerd) but now it's like night and day. I've had women just give me free drinks and food and do extra stuff for me when they didn't have to (I even had a woman decline me giving her a tip when she give me a free drink, claiming she was doing it to be "nice". Eventually I got her to admit she thought I was cute).

I still gotta put in some type of work as even women starting conversations first I still gotta be a man and put in the initiative as most women are not gonna straight up ask a guy out. I also still cold approach from time to time. It's also not just with women but other men too seem to respect me more.

Remember when you said that confidence was a byproduct of positive reinforcement? Well you were right.