hit strict 225, don't need to ever do it again

Hypertrophy, gaining muscle by progressing loads on efficient exercises isn't only training for size you mashed potato.

I mean, i agree there's other ways to grow shoulders that are probably superior if the goal is strictly delt growth, but i'm not sure there's many more economical ways to grow your entire upper body, so even for hypertrophy i don't think it's worth trashing if general upper body growth is your goal, but if we're talking strictly delts then yeah a compound exercise that isn't even meant to target delts specifically probably isn't optimal.

Each to their own, but i think i'd disagree with the thread title that people 'waste their time' doing OHP, and honestly it's not the kind of rhetoric i'd expect from you, OP. You usually seem very open minded to the fact there's many different ways to train depending on goals, but in this thread your posts come across as a little douchy and arrogant, especially the statement:

"Literally one of the most overrated exercises in the gym to be completely honest. Smart people will back me up on that. Typically gym bros will lose their **** over the statement lol"

Always hate it when someone basically frames a debate as 'if you disagree with me, you're not an idiot'

If you had said something like, "mind = blown that people think OHP is optimal for shoulder growth" this topic would be very different, but you're literally saying it's a 'waste of time' with no context, and framing the debate in such a way that anybody who disagrees with you is 'stupid'... honestly i'm slightly disappointed as i had a fairly high opinion of you as the misc goes

Did you read OP man?? That's literally what I said in the first paragraph. People getting a bit too emotional about a click bait title on the misc to be honest. No exercise is a waste of time if you enjoy it.

You look like the typical bro who eats like **** and just jabs a needle. Congrats on finding the secret

My heart is broken that I have 100 lbs less muscle than Jay Cutler. Good one

Yeah that's one of the reasons I switched them out for a bit. Was about to move on to 95s and it wasn't fun lolol

taking advice from this guy you might as well take women advice from wincel it's the same thing the strict press is on of the best exercises.


compound exercises always beat isolation 10 out of 10 times.

What's more strict than seated you baked potato

a strict press is a standing press idiot also I see you are still lying about being natty yes your shoulders may look better cause they have more androgenic receptors (duh)
stop giving these people advice about lifting cause you know absolutely nothing and this isn't even meant in a degrading way cause you don't.

I know what a standing strict OHP is. It's still inferior to seated in terms of muscle development. You're still going to have decreased output standing vs seated. And no, I've never touched a drug in my life. Stay mad *******

yeah okay lmao

Maybe try actually working hard and not eating like an ass hole if you think someone can't be shredded at 173 lbs at 5'8 natty .



Or shocker:
Optimize your exercise selection

A military press isn't an isolation you retard. Go back to suckling Mark Rippetoes dink lol

Proof misc still doesn't lift.

yeah duh read before you post lmao at crying in negs that means you are upset not me you are so nervous right now you don't even know what to type to "defend" yourself and for the record to me you are always going to be a fraud cause pretending to be natty is the same as frauding.

stop replying now cause it's only making you seem more pathetic and your instagram looks absolutely cringeworthy with a cherry on top.

you're wrong about this just like you were wrong about not squatting. you made no mention of high bar ass to ankle squatting. you over generalize movements and their payoffs. nobody wanna tell you that bc ur strong aesthetic.

I wasn't wrong about that either. Are your quads the first thing to fail in any kind of back squat? No

Never said squats won't build quads, said they aren't the most optimal.

Arn would probably back me up on both these points

Depends what you're training for lol. Training for strength then do it, bodybuilding? literally no point better to do light db work, olympic lifting? might as well just do your cleans & jerks or snatches etc.

Why would you do deadlift if you're bodybuilding your focus should be hypertrophy? or why would you do clean and press if you're powerlifting? just do whatever is best for the sport you're training.

OHP usefulness chart
Powerlifting - Not useful atall
Strongman - Extremely useful
Weightlifting - Useful slightly but probably better to do other technique based overhead stuff
Bodybuilding - Better alternatives for shoulder development
Crossfit - probably worth it a little but not really, similar to weightlifting
General Strength - Likely better to do OHP standing and engage the full body than just isolating delts in db press/seated press if your goal is just general fitness/strength

I'd also like to add

Miscer's egos - very useful, it's so alpha to do 1 plate standing OHP

you're just wrong bc you're being dogmatic. guys have got big legs back squatting, sissy squatting, leg pressing, smith machine squatting and everything in between.

Lmao bUt iT wOrKs mOrrE mUzZels

I don't disagree with any of that. But is it so fukin wrong to discuss optimal exercise selection???

I never said "everyone should be doing this exact exercise". I said there are better options for shoulder development than a standing press

Maybe I missed the srs tag in my title???? Oh wait, there isn't one

Yup. Stay salty because my cringe worthy workouts produce results.

lol aight my bad, actually like your ig and threads honestly i guess i am on my period

You've definitely thrown miscers for a loop, if you came at it from a more specific angle such as

"shoulder exercises that maximize hypertrophy"

this thread wouldn't be 6 pages. The same could be said for your quad argument, squats don't maximize hypertrophy into the quads for the amount of work being done. Hard to argue that point.

Not sure why people are saying OHP is useless for powerlifting. It developes great lock out power, assuming you actually press to lockout and aren't 1/2 repping. It's my favorite movement for strengthing my bench lock out next to board pressing.

Obviously for bodybuilding purposes, there are much better alternatives.

If I made that the title, 3 people would have clicked it and it wouldn't have been nearly as entertaining for me

Ayyyy juggy ITT. We need a session at Warhouse soon man