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Originally Posted By TurbanMon⏩
Damn you guys are legit retarded.man you are retarded. the police have a mandate, and they screwed the pooch on that mandate.
you're telling me if a bunch of armed robers get forced into a mall, by the police, and start shooting at the police, the police can airstrike the mall and the fault lies with the "baddies"? lmao
you're telling me if a bunch of armed robers get forced into a mall, by the police, and start shooting at the police, the police can airstrike the mall and the fault lies with the "baddies"? lmao
12-06-2019, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted By bertishere⏩
hey guys we got the jewels back. only lost 2 livesthis is what's wrong with society.. the police are always to blame, for everything.
you have 2 punks that rob a store, probably with an illegal firearm, and the police stop that threat, yet they're blamed because 2 innocent people died.
yes it's ****in sad, sad as hell, but the police are trained to respond and deal with situations as they come. there's a lot of **** happening all at once and they're doing their best.
not 1 police officer that responded to that call wanted the UPS driver or other person to be killed, and frankly, probably didn't even want these punks to be killed either, but it ****in happened because of the actions of thePUNKS NOT POLICE
you have 2 punks that rob a store, probably with an illegal firearm, and the police stop that threat, yet they're blamed because 2 innocent people died.
yes it's ****in sad, sad as hell, but the police are trained to respond and deal with situations as they come. there's a lot of **** happening all at once and they're doing their best.
not 1 police officer that responded to that call wanted the UPS driver or other person to be killed, and frankly, probably didn't even want these punks to be killed either, but it ****in happened because of the actions of thePUNKS NOT POLICE
im anti cop hate always, but they handled this situation way too poorly. theyre at fault. PERIOD
12-06-2019, 01:50 PM
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Typically I am on the side of the cops but in this case, IDK. That looks to me like they were lucky more innocent people were not killed by friendly fire.
They just sort of started blasting until they were sure everyone was dead, on a crowded highway.
I want to see it the other way but that vid looks terrible.
They just sort of started blasting until they were sure everyone was dead, on a crowded highway.
I want to see it the other way but that vid looks terrible.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
You're already a disgrace to the uniform so it's no surprise that you blindly follow whatever LEO does. Stop posting you're only making yourself look worse then your rep already isDamn you guys are legit retarded.
12-06-2019, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
And why did the criminals even have cops to shoot at when abandoning their trapped stolen van?You want to blame the cops no matter what but dont want to blame the criminals who took a woman hostage and decided to shoot at the cops in a crowded intersection
Thats whats trash you pathetic coward
Thats whats trash you pathetic coward
Ohhh right, because those dumbfuk cops were right on it's ass in a crowded surface street when they 100% did not have to be, knowing full well the criminals were armed and willing to fire on them and had a hostage as well.
Like I said, this chit is indefensible but I guess even that won't stop some thin blue line idiots from trying anyway, goddamn cult man I swear.
You got cops literally using civilians in their cars as a shield against incoming fire, unloading into civilians and the hostage with rifles en mass, and you're still out here defending their actions. Talk about pathetic, fukkin lol
Still stories surfacing from civilians who were in that area that are finding bullet holes in their cars, one found 2 in their fukking baby seat, thank god the baby wasn't in it at the time.
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12-06-2019, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted By Jaydawg08⏩
Its obvious who the disgrace is and its you cowardsYou're already a disgrace to the uniform so it's no surprise that you blindly follow whatever LEO does. Stop posting you're only making yourself look worse then your rep already is
12-06-2019, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
More retarded logic from you idiots.And why did the criminals even have cops to shoot at when abandoning their trapped stolen van?
Ohhh right, because those dumbfuk cops were right on it's ass in a crowded surface street when they 100% did not have to be, knowing full well the criminals were armed and willing to fire on them and had a hostage as well.
Like I said, this chit is indefensible but I guess even that won't stop some thin blue line idiots from trying anyway, goddamn cult man I swear.
You got cops literally using civilians in their cars as a shield against incoming fire, unloading into civilians and the hostage with rifles en mass, and you're still out here defending their actions. Talk about pathetic, fukkin lol
Still stories surfacing from civilians who were in that area that are finding bullet holes in their cars, one found 2 in their fukking baby seat, thank god the baby wasn't in it at the time.
Ohhh right, because those dumbfuk cops were right on it's ass in a crowded surface street when they 100% did not have to be, knowing full well the criminals were armed and willing to fire on them and had a hostage as well.
Like I said, this chit is indefensible but I guess even that won't stop some thin blue line idiots from trying anyway, goddamn cult man I swear.
You got cops literally using civilians in their cars as a shield against incoming fire, unloading into civilians and the hostage with rifles en mass, and you're still out here defending their actions. Talk about pathetic, fukkin lol
Still stories surfacing from civilians who were in that area that are finding bullet holes in their cars, one found 2 in their fukking baby seat, thank god the baby wasn't in it at the time.
12-06-2019, 02:01 PM
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You guys that are saying the police are not at fault - what kind of situation would it take for you to assign blame to the cops? If you were to ask any cop what would be the worst outcome of a high speed chase - they would probably tell you "a shootout in rush hour traffic" which is exactly why there is training and procedures intended to avoid this very situation
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Why are you guys arguing with these two posters lmao.
Never argue with fools. You'll never win.
Plus, it's appalling how most smart miscers do agree that things could have been handled way better, and they showed proof. Whereas, the two police officers in this thread seem to lack knowledge and awareness, while they should be the smart ones who put feelings aside and follow logic.
Scary chit. These two posters are the guys you miscers are arguing with.
Honestly, I am somewhat relieved that everyone except two individuals is smart enough to assess the situation that happened.
Never argue with fools. You'll never win.
Plus, it's appalling how most smart miscers do agree that things could have been handled way better, and they showed proof. Whereas, the two police officers in this thread seem to lack knowledge and awareness, while they should be the smart ones who put feelings aside and follow logic.
Scary chit. These two posters are the guys you miscers are arguing with.
Honestly, I am somewhat relieved that everyone except two individuals is smart enough to assess the situation that happened.
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Crazy thing is this happened 22 miles away, and the same county, as the Parkland shooting where the Broward County Sheriff's office was blasted for not engaging the shooter quick enough. I live about 30 minutes away and am in that area quite often, crazy to think what could happen one day on your drive home from work.
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Originally Posted By fratharder⏩
What training do the cops have that avoids a suspect driving into rush hour traffic?You guys that are saying the police are not at fault - what kind of situation would it take for you to assign blame to the cops? If you were to ask any cop what would be the worst outcome of a high speed chase - they would probably tell you "a shootout in rush hour traffic" which is exactly why there is training and procedures intended to avoid this very situation
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
It's both a hostage situation and a pursuit, all of your responses have spoken to the pursuit but nothing to the hostage situation.More retarded logic from you idiots.
They ended the pursuit because they engaged with DPF when they were met with DPF - success.
There was ALSO a hostage situation which required better tactics than unloading hundreds of rounds into a truck without regard for the hostage or for their surroundings - FAILURE.
Not only did they get the hostage killed but they let an innocent bystander get killed too. Your deflection of "but it was the perps who necessitated the response" doesn't hold up. The actions taken made no attempt to protect innocent life. They had no reasonable exception that their actions could have saved the life of the hostage and the actions recklessly put the lives of far too many bystanders at risk.
12-06-2019, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted By skinnybigballs0⏩
How should the cops have handled itI’m super anti-cop hate, but this **** is indefensible. That was the epitome of reckless, and should’ve been handled WAYYYYY before they got into rush hour traffic. Absolutely idiotic
12-06-2019, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted By allianc3⏩
So the cops should just sit and let the suspects unload rounds at them?It's both a hostage situation and a pursuit, all of your responses have spoken to the pursuit but nothing to the hostage situation.
They ended the pursuit because they engaged with DPF when they were met with DPF - success.
There was ALSO a hostage situation which required better tactics than unloading hundreds of rounds into a truck without regard for the hostage or for their surroundings - FAILURE.
Not only did they get the hostage killed but they let an innocent bystander get killed too. Your deflection of "but it was the perps who necessitated the response" doesn't hold up. The actions taken made no attempt to protect innocent life. They had no reasonable exception that their actions could have saved the life of the hostage and the actions recklessly put the lives of far too many bystanders at risk.
They ended the pursuit because they engaged with DPF when they were met with DPF - success.
There was ALSO a hostage situation which required better tactics than unloading hundreds of rounds into a truck without regard for the hostage or for their surroundings - FAILURE.
Not only did they get the hostage killed but they let an innocent bystander get killed too. Your deflection of "but it was the perps who necessitated the response" doesn't hold up. The actions taken made no attempt to protect innocent life. They had no reasonable exception that their actions could have saved the life of the hostage and the actions recklessly put the lives of far too many bystanders at risk.
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Originally Posted By skinnybigballs0⏩
How should they have endes it?If you were watching this chase live there were miles and miles of industrial complexes with no pedestrians or cars. Should’ve ended there seeing how dangerous these idiots were.
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Originally Posted By skinnybigballs0⏩
Stop answering him ffs lmao. He asked this question 1000 times. The answer goes in one ear out the other.If you were watching this chase live there were miles and miles of industrial complexes with no pedestrians or cars. Should’ve ended there seeing how dangerous these idiots were... not in the ****ing middle of rush hour traffic
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Originally Posted By GrammarNaziM8⏩
Weird, no ones had a legit answer so thats why i keep asking. How should they have ended it? You cant PIT a ups truck. Idk if they tried spike strips you cant ram them. Should they have shot them while driving? How should the cops have ended it before they hit traffic?Stop answering him ffs lmao. He asked this question 1000 times. The answer goes in one ear out the other.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
Why would suburban police departments NOT train for rush hour car chases? Seems like that's the thing they should be trained for.What training do the cops have that avoids a suspect driving into rush hour traffic?
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
If immediately returning fire were the only way to approach a hostage situation we'd have a whole lot more dead hostages over the course of our history. No where did I suggest to let the suspects unload on the cops.So the cops should just sit and let the suspects unload rounds at them?
They had no plan for the hostage situation, they acted with no plan, how is that not reckless?
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Originally Posted By bertishere⏩
Hey man I would agree with you if I was worried about the products in the back. But once the vehicle is stopped priority is the life of the hostage and bystanders. The robbers did not jump out firing until the police rushed in. They made a bad move and endangered the hostage and bystanders causing a shootout. The robbers have no choice but to go all out when the police rushing in firing.this is what's wrong with society.. the police are always to blame, for everything.
you have 2 punks that rob a store, probably with an illegal firearm, and the police stop that threat, yet they're blamed because 2 innocent people died.
yes it's ****in sad, sad as hell, but the police are trained to respond and deal with situations as they come. there's a lot of **** happening all at once and they're doing their best.
not 1 police officer that responded to that call wanted the UPS driver or other person to be killed, and frankly, probably didn't even want these punks to be killed either, but it ****in happened because of the actions of thePUNKS NOT POLICE
you have 2 punks that rob a store, probably with an illegal firearm, and the police stop that threat, yet they're blamed because 2 innocent people died.
yes it's ****in sad, sad as hell, but the police are trained to respond and deal with situations as they come. there's a lot of **** happening all at once and they're doing their best.
not 1 police officer that responded to that call wanted the UPS driver or other person to be killed, and frankly, probably didn't even want these punks to be killed either, but it ****in happened because of the actions of thePUNKS NOT POLICE
In no situation is cops suppose to bum rush someone who has a hostage, and kill the hostage! Do you have common sense what sense does it make to bum rush and shoot everyone including the hostage?
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Innocent lives were lost...
People, especially the keyboard warrior'ing, social media activist yutes of today, are primed to be triggered by that chit. Anything less than a flawless outcome is unacceptable when you have no perspective in life and the only adversity you've ever experienced is cracking the screen on your iPhone.
It's sad and terribly tragic... and given the benefit of hindsight, I'm sure there are a thousand things that could have been done differently... how many innocent lives were saved though? What if the criminals had started popping off rounds at innocent drivers or ramming cars with the UPS truck? If innocent lives were lost that way, people would be blaming the police for not taking swift, decisive action.
It's a no win situation, especially for the boys in blue, and the most we can hope for is that people learn from it.
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People, especially the keyboard warrior'ing, social media activist yutes of today, are primed to be triggered by that chit. Anything less than a flawless outcome is unacceptable when you have no perspective in life and the only adversity you've ever experienced is cracking the screen on your iPhone.
It's sad and terribly tragic... and given the benefit of hindsight, I'm sure there are a thousand things that could have been done differently... how many innocent lives were saved though? What if the criminals had started popping off rounds at innocent drivers or ramming cars with the UPS truck? If innocent lives were lost that way, people would be blaming the police for not taking swift, decisive action.
It's a no win situation, especially for the boys in blue, and the most we can hope for is that people learn from it.
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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩
They had like 6 fukkin helis in the air tracking it plus the van itself was traceable, they didn't need to be chasing it with cruisers at all. Just follow them from the air until they either run out of gas, abandon it and take off on foot, or hit a secluded area where a gunfight wouldn't endanger literally hundreds of civilians. That's normal operating procedure in many departments for this kinda situation, I'm not coming up with anything new or theoretical here...Weird, no ones had a legit answer so thats why i keep asking. How should they have ended it? You cant PIT a ups truck. Idk if they tried spike strips you cant ram them. Should they have shot them while driving? How should the cops have ended it before they hit traffic?
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Originally Posted By skinnybigballs0⏩
So just fuk the hostage then right? Also where the suspects shooting at the cops dyring the chase or only at the end? If they werent shooting at the cops how exsctly do the cops justify using deadly force?A UPS truck literally has no doors... and they were shooting at the tires before this. You’re telling me with all those squad cars no one could’ve popped these guys, but they could pop their front tires? Lmaoooooo
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Ive already explained this is not a tracking situation. Your ugnorance of it just shows you have no basis to be commenting. Just stopThey had like 6 fukkin helis in the air tracking it plus the van itself was traceable, they didn't need to be chasing it with cruisers at all. Just follow them from the air until they either run out of gas, abandon it and take off on foot, or hit a secluded area where a gunfight wouldn't endanger literally hundreds of civilians. That's normal operating procedure in many departments for this kinda situation, I'm not coming up with anything new or theoretical here...
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Originally Posted By skinnybigballs0⏩
See this part of my post...Eh weak argument. They would’ve carjacked another car/killed someone trying to carjack them, or taken more people hostage. That’s even more idiotic.
Only argument I see worthwhile is shooting them when they were driving in those industrial complexes with no pedestrians or cars. They were shooting at their tires, why not end it right then and there?
Only argument I see worthwhile is shooting them when they were driving in those industrial complexes with no pedestrians or cars. They were shooting at their tires, why not end it right then and there?
...or hit a secluded area where a gunfight wouldn't endanger literally hundreds of civilians.
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