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Thread: Should parents have to provide receipts for how child support is spent?

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Seems tedious to me and i pay around $600/mo.

The problem i have is that she is always asking for more on top of that.

Its pretty bad when both ppl make the same amount of money, have 50/50, and yet the guy always has to pay. (What a joke)

The one receiving the support is usually living beyond their means and not really providing support with the money.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Who audits your taxes and where does that money come from?
The CRA and their money comes from the revenues they help generate. Auditing child support payments generates no income, it would be an add cost for the government.

Also huge amounts of money goes uncollected by the government because they lack the resources to properly chase people and collect taxes.

So this idea would raise the tax burden across the board.

Then if the audits come back with frivolous spending what’s to be done? Cut off the child support. Great idea, let’s punish the kid for the parents (perceived) negligence.

Sorry, but this is an ill conceived idea that was thought up as way to enable deadbeats to dead beat.
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all that paperwork, will never work
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Originally Posted By snailsrus⏩
Title is the question?

Or a court order if the parent paying the child support sees basic needs not being met, ie: clothing for school, holes in shoes, medications not being purchased that are needed, school supplies, etc

I mean with foster children it’s mandatory as a foster parent to provide receipts for social workers to prove the child they are caring for is being taken care of
From what I've been told rent/ mortgage payments count as proper spending of child support. So does utilities, food, etc.
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I'm a step parent raised my two girls from the ages of 3 and 5. Their bio dad is a piece of crap and paid child support and put up the same argument. He would have weekends with them and drop them off at his moms and go to the bar but gripe about paying for child support. Child support doesn't begin to cover all the expenses. I can't tell you how much money ive spent over the years but it's alot and not that i care. but fuk these dead beats
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Originally Posted By ThisIsMyAlias⏩
Child support shouldn't exist.

If you want money to support your broke ass kids you shouldn't fuk around with somebody who is going to dip on you. Do a better job choosing a mate instead of expecting society to cover your poor decisions by enforcing financial care.

Child support encourages divorce, whores, and bad womaning
You're an idiot
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As someone who is twice divorced and been paying child support for nearly 30 years this is how I think it should work:

A certain percentage of child support should be allocated for food and shelter and goes directly to the custodial parent. The rest should go into a trust fund or similar account and only certain expenses should be allowed to be funded from that account (clothing, education, etc.)

My second wife I have been paying child support for 15 years and she is always broke so whatever my son needs I have to pay for on top of that, even though theoretically the child support is supposed to cover it.


I have literally paid for ALL his clothing, school uniforms, computers, bedroom furniture, eyeglasses, dental braces, etc. EVERYTHING he needs I pay for over an above the child support I give her, which is $1,000/month.


It's bull**** and the system is ****ed.

But we all know it will never change.
I remember one year my ex asked me to buy school clothes because money was tight.

No problem at all, got it taken care of.

Guess what, she shows up the next week in a new f-ing car.

The 2 year old one shad just wasnt cutting it anymore, lol
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Originally Posted By 78novacaine⏩
I don't know about other states but in Tx food stamps come on a debit style card (EBT card aka Lonestar card) and that card can be used for pretty much anything in a grocery store. Numerous times back in high school working at Walmart I saw folks buying hundreds of dollars worth of steaks/seafood/junk food/sodas and putting it all on their EBT card.
Lol steak and seafood is food idiot. So is soda.

Foodstamps buy food.
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post 1598198041 02-21-2020, 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted By Basiliskboy⏩
At younger ages “child support” should literally be needed items like diapers, baby food, special medicine etc. maybe like $100 worth of this material a month or a percentage of the parents weekly income with the rest going to bills, percentage of car note, etc.

Once the kid is like 16 the money should go into an account for them or something.

Also I really dont think a parent should pay child support unless they get half custody unless the parent is proven to be a danger to the child.


Imagine how the dynamics would change if each parent had to pay child support to the other parent during the periods the child was with the other parent.



Child support is literally just separating fathers from their kid but keeping the financial support. Think of how diabolical that is while also considering this:

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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Here's a better idea, what if the government kept out of it completely?

But LOL at the defending the CRA ( an entity that is needed because people, if left to their own devices, tend to fudge the numbers, which is what might be happening in this thread's hypothetical case ).

If we could trust people to do the right thing, they wouldn't be necessary. Just like the idea proposed in the OP is.
My point is that the Government puts money into the CRA cause they generate revenue. They are a net financial positive. This silly receipt auditing idea would be a drain on the government.

And the entire purpose is not for the benefit of the kid, it’s for benefit of the dead beat.

Just lol.
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
How would you receipt housing, utilities, taxes?

There’s no way child support, unless mega rich, goes anywhere near the expense of raising a child.

It also seems to pave the way for financial abuse by the partner paying the child support?

Even better we should bring back forced marriage until the kid reaches a majority



Pretty sure this is just bollocks


Here earning 40k and supporting 1 child the princely sum of £78 per week


https://child-maintenance.dwp.gov.uk/calculate/complete

People wouldn’t just lie on the internet would they?
A grown ass adult who supports themselves already has a place to live. The man isnt paying his ex fewer her entire fuking housing bill, only 50% of the difference of a one bedroom and two bedroom apartment.

Neither should the man pay for all her utilities. How much water and electricity does a 7 year old use? The man pays half the difference.

It is entirely doable.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Lol steak and seafood is food idiot. So is soda.

Foodstamps buy food.
Hes telling you that your tax dollars are being wasted handing out expensive steaks and lobster to people unwilling to work and your retort is to call him an idiot. And its not even all your tax dollars, its your childrens future dollars being taken as wells since the current year taxes dont cover the current year expenses and the government debt piles on to be paid in the future by your children.

But sure hes an idiot if that makes you feel better.
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Originally Posted By JUGGERNAUT1333⏩
100%

If a women is getting child support, she should have to provide documentation that the money was used to support the kids, and not getting your hair and nails done 3x a month.
You guys make no sense. Lol my child support doesn't even cover 25% of the mortgage.

You want your kids in a good school then they are going to need to live in a good neighborhood.

If I don't count the roof I doubt my child support covers internet (necessary for school) electricity, water, gas, sanitation.

Not to mention food, clothes, insurance, phone, sports, transportation etc.
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Originally Posted By Godlyglutes⏩
Not sure if child support is the same in the US as here in the U.K. But here, it's simply a percentage of the fathers income; not related in anyway to the cost of raising a child. So you end up covering all the costs of keeping the child, with a nice amount left over for the mother to spend as she pleases.

I think the problem here is that people who don't have kids assume the father just jacked on his kid and doesn't want to pay.

The reality for most is usually the female has decided to breakup the family. Now through no choice of his own, the father only gets to see his kid at the weekend.

I will happily pay to raise my child. However, I don't want to pay for the mother's bad spending habits ontop of that.
It is the same in the US except the rates are not set. That is atleast good the UK lets you know ahead of time how fuked you will be if you get some sloot knocked up. In the US it is a subjective amount determined by some man hating feminist judge and entirely dependent on how much they feel they hate men on your day in court.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Explain how it is to the benefit of the deadbeat.

I am curious about the mental gymnastics required to logically explain this one.
What’s the consequence if it’s determined that the receiver of the child support can’t account for 100% of the money? Will the same amount of money be handed over but a coach will be provided for show how to properly spend money on a child? Is that your idea? No, your idea is that the child support payment would be slashed.

The entire purpose of the silly idea is to give a channel for people (men) to pay less child support.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
You guys make no sense. Lol my child support doesn't even cover 25% of the mortgage.

You want your kids in a good school then they are going to need to live in a good neighborhood.

If I don't count the roof I doubt my child support covers internet (necessary for school) electricity, water, gas, sanitation.

Not to mention food, clothes, insurance, phone, sports, transportation etc.
Why should it cover more than 25% of the morgage? It should only cover 50% of the difference of an extra bedroom.

Would your ex not have the internet if she didnt have a kid? Then that isnt a real expense.

You buy clothes at the thrift store and drive around beaters. Does your ex wear thrift store clothes too or does she use your childrens funds to buy herself nicer chit than you get?
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I thought they already did woah that's crazy they don't have to provide proof.
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Originally Posted By MiscDaddy⏩
What’s the consequence if it’s determined that the receiver of the child support can’t account for 100% of the money? Will the same amount of money be handed over but a coach will be provided for show how to properly spend money on a child? Is that your idea? No, your idea is that the child support payment would be slashed.

The entire purpose of the silly idea is to give a channel for people (men) to pay less child support.
The child support should go into a separate escrow account, similar to a checking account with a debit card. All payments come out and solely go towards the child. The person paying child support has full view of the debits being made and full right to review receipts at any time to see where their money is going. If they feel the money is being abused, then they have the right to petition the court to have their support payments reduced since obviously they are overpaying and the money is going elsewhere.

When the child turns 18, they get the remaining balance back. If they want to give it to the kid for college, that is an option but they have no legal obligation to do so.
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Originally Posted By -
As someone who is twice divorcedand been paying child support for nearly 30 years this is how I think it should work:

A certain percentage of child support should be allocated for food and shelter and goes directly to the custodial parent. The rest should go into a trust fund or similar account and only certain expenses should be allowed to be funded from that account (clothing, education, etc.)

My second wife I have been paying child support for 15 years andshe is always broke so whatever my son needs I have to pay for on top of that, even though theoretically the child support is supposed to cover it.


I have literally paid for ALL his clothing, school uniforms, computers, bedroom furniture, eyeglasses, dental braces, etc. EVERYTHING he needs I pay for over an above the child support I give her, which is $1,000/month.


It's bull**** and the system is ****ed.

But we all know it will never change.
Guess you didn't learn your lesson the first time around. Once you pay your child support you are not obligated to do more, right? I know you love your kid but to make a point with your 2nd ex-wife, stand your ground and don't give more than what is needed. Maybe this will get her to be more responsible with the monies.
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Originally Posted By redliner9⏩
Seems tedious to me and i pay around $600/mo.

The problem i have is that she is always asking for more on top of that.

Its pretty bad when both ppl make the same amount of money, have 50/50, and yet the guy always has to pay. (What a joke)

The one receiving the support is usually living beyond their means and not really providing support with the money.
It should be made tedious. It should be setup to be fair and balanced, not convenient for a freeloader to misuse the funds on themselves. Maybe if it was a pain in the ass to track your expenses and not the financial windfall it is today, it would provide incentive to work things out and not take off and leave with someone's children.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Why should it cover more than 25% of the morgage? It should only cover 50% of the difference of an extra bedroom.

Would your ex not have the internet if she didnt have a kid? Then that isnt a real expense.

You buy clothes at the thrift store and drive around beaters. Does your ex wear thrift store clothes too or does she use your childrens funds to buy herself nicer chit than you get?
Lol she makes 3x what I do. She buys used cars and drives them till they blow up. She doesn't buy clothes and she has always gone to the beauty school to get her hair done.

She's a pure bitch but I don't see her frivolously spending money.
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Provide a receipt for paying my mortgage? Nah. It'd be pretty obvious if I wasn't paying it, I wouldn't have my house.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Lol she makes 3x what I do. She buys used cars and drives them till they blow up. She doesn't buy clothes and she has always gone to the beauty school to get her hair done.

She's a pure bitch but I don't see her frivolously spending money.
This explains a lot and why your perception is skewed. You lucked out in that youre broke and your ex makes 3x as much. Normally the man is more successful than his woman and gets absolutely ass raped by the feminist judges in court.
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
Provide a receipt for paying my mortgage? Nah. It'd be pretty obvious if I wasn't paying it, I wouldn't have my house.
Proof of where the money is going. You should get no more than 50% of the cost of an additional bedroom towards the mortgage. And technically your ex should be getting equity in your house since he is paying towards your equity, so you are getting a house paid off from your ex with no benefit to him.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Why are you paying child support if she makes more money?
Because they are still my children dumbass. I still have responsibility to care for them.

What is wrong with you people?


I have zero problem with the concept of child support.

Where I wish Snails and folks like her would focus is child support enforcement reform. I think there is too little leeway on each side of the enforcement issue.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Proof of where the money is going. You should get no more than 50% of the cost of an additional bedroom towards the mortgage. And technically your ex should be getting equity in your house since he is paying towards your equity, so you are getting a house paid off from your ex with no benefit to him.
Wrong. One of the conditions of our divorce was he completely detaches from the house so he is freed from the mortgage and it comes off his credit. It's solely mine now.

It was also tongue in cheek. The whole of his child support doesn't go to the mortgage.
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Originally Posted By RedRusty⏩
Wrong. One of the conditions of our divorce was he completely detaches from the house so he is freed from the mortgage and it comes off his credit. It's solely mine now.

It was also tongue in cheek. The whole of his child support doesn't go to the mortgage.
You dont understand equity.

He was freed from the mortgage but you are getting free money from him every month to put towards the mortgage. He maybe be off the mortgage and the house was determined yours in the divorce but he is still paying towards the equity. You will look it over since its an obvious benefit to yourself. He is paying into equity for the house while you get that equity.

This is solely supposed to be to the benefit to the child.
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I would favor this only if they started executing parents that don't pay. Not to mention 90% of people don't pay enough for the custodial parent to splurge on stupid ****. Be responsible and choose women carefully.
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
No I mean why isn't she payingyouchild support?
Why would she pay me? I can't take care of them as well as she can. I travel for work sometimes gone for a month at a time.

Even if she paid me it would be hard for the three of us( now two of us to live and they would have gone to a much worse school.

When you get divorced you aren't supposed to want your children's lifestyles to go backwards just because you want your ex punished.


I think most of you are warped. You want your kids moving into a dump of an apartment after all they've known their whole life is a decent house in a decent neighborhood?
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Yes! My sister gets child support so she can spend it going to gym and buying her cosmetics while my mom had to retire from work to take care of her kid for free. Pathetic.
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