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02-27-2020, 10:17 PM
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So overbought the last couple years and the buybacks too, was a tinderbox waiting for a spark, coronavirus was it, also all top companies put all their eggs in one basket depending on China for profits...glad I’ve been in cash and bonds before the ****storm
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02-27-2020, 10:19 PM
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Guys.....I know many of you have traded for a while and are not novices. I myself have been trading since I was a kid, worked on the CBOE, and trade for my living.
I never knew there were so many people on the misc who trade. I think I have seen 7 to 8 threads today alone about the market.
So....all that being said, one thing I have learned in any bull market, whether it be gold, oil, stocks, crypto, etc....is when you see SO MANY people investing? In this case in stocks? That is normally a sign that things are about to go very very bad. People that have no business trading or investing see the market reaching new highs every week and think to themselves "hmmmm, I think it is time to put money in". 9 times out of ten while the novices are doing that? The pros are selling.
This is no direct retort to any of you specifically. All I am saying is be very very careful. Most of you have never been in a bear market. I am not saying we are entering one here, but the money has been very very easy the past 2-3 years....a bigtime correction will be coming sooner or later.
I never knew there were so many people on the misc who trade. I think I have seen 7 to 8 threads today alone about the market.
So....all that being said, one thing I have learned in any bull market, whether it be gold, oil, stocks, crypto, etc....is when you see SO MANY people investing? In this case in stocks? That is normally a sign that things are about to go very very bad. People that have no business trading or investing see the market reaching new highs every week and think to themselves "hmmmm, I think it is time to put money in". 9 times out of ten while the novices are doing that? The pros are selling.
This is no direct retort to any of you specifically. All I am saying is be very very careful. Most of you have never been in a bear market. I am not saying we are entering one here, but the money has been very very easy the past 2-3 years....a bigtime correction will be coming sooner or later.
02-27-2020, 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted By surfbumb⏩
I’ve considered the trigger correction scenario, it’s certainly plausible and likely part of what’s happening here.So overbought the last couple years and the buybacks too, was a tinderbox waiting for a spark, coronavirus was it, also all top companies put all their eggs in one basket depending on China for profits...glad I’ve been in cash and bonds before the ****storm
Still like the upside though, especially if it reaches 20-25%.
Also agree with above, be psychologically prepared for a 50% correction. For every trade there’s risk.
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02-27-2020, 10:25 PM
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02-27-2020, 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Isn't it also true that the minor players on the stock market have such a small share of the stock market that it doesn't have enough to move it? Call a big time broker and say you want to buy $100K in (name stock/company) and see if they have much more reaction that when a cashier at the grocery store see's you buy the family sized hot pocket pack. Maybe a mil or two they will repeat it back to you to be sure they heard you right. It's really nuts how much money is moving around.Guys.....I know many of you have traded for a while and are not novices. I myself have been trading since I was a kid, worked on the CBOE, and trade for my living.
I never knew there were so many people on the misc who trade. I think I have seen 7 to 8 threads today alone about the market.
So....all that being said, one thing I have learned in any bull market, whether it be gold, oil, stocks, crypto, etc....is when you see SO MANY people investing? In this case in stocks? That is normally a sign that things are about to go very very bad. People that have no business trading or investing see the market reaching new highs every week and think to themselves "hmmmm, I think it is time to put money in". 9 times out of ten while the novices are doing that? The pros are selling.
This is no direct retort to any of you specifically. All I am saying is be very very careful. Most of you have never been in a bear market. I am not saying we are entering one here, but the money has been very very easy the past 2-3 years....a bigtime correction will be coming sooner or later.
I never knew there were so many people on the misc who trade. I think I have seen 7 to 8 threads today alone about the market.
So....all that being said, one thing I have learned in any bull market, whether it be gold, oil, stocks, crypto, etc....is when you see SO MANY people investing? In this case in stocks? That is normally a sign that things are about to go very very bad. People that have no business trading or investing see the market reaching new highs every week and think to themselves "hmmmm, I think it is time to put money in". 9 times out of ten while the novices are doing that? The pros are selling.
This is no direct retort to any of you specifically. All I am saying is be very very careful. Most of you have never been in a bear market. I am not saying we are entering one here, but the money has been very very easy the past 2-3 years....a bigtime correction will be coming sooner or later.
02-27-2020, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
So what do you think people with money should be doing, if not investing in the market?Guys.....I know many of you have traded for a while and are not novices. I myself have been trading since I was a kid, worked on the CBOE, and trade for my living.
I never knew there were so many people on the misc who trade. I think I have seen 7 to 8 threads today alone about the market.
So....all that being said, one thing I have learned in any bull market, whether it be gold, oil, stocks, crypto, etc....is when you see SO MANY people investing? In this case in stocks? That is normally a sign that things are about to go very very bad. People that have no business trading or investing see the market reaching new highs every week and think to themselves "hmmmm, I think it is time to put money in". 9 times out of ten while the novices are doing that? The pros are selling.
This is no direct retort to any of you specifically. All I am saying is be very very careful. Most of you have never been in a bear market. I am not saying we are entering one here, but the money has been very very easy the past 2-3 years....a bigtime correction will be coming sooner or later.
I never knew there were so many people on the misc who trade. I think I have seen 7 to 8 threads today alone about the market.
So....all that being said, one thing I have learned in any bull market, whether it be gold, oil, stocks, crypto, etc....is when you see SO MANY people investing? In this case in stocks? That is normally a sign that things are about to go very very bad. People that have no business trading or investing see the market reaching new highs every week and think to themselves "hmmmm, I think it is time to put money in". 9 times out of ten while the novices are doing that? The pros are selling.
This is no direct retort to any of you specifically. All I am saying is be very very careful. Most of you have never been in a bear market. I am not saying we are entering one here, but the money has been very very easy the past 2-3 years....a bigtime correction will be coming sooner or later.
Just curious as I just added 20K to my money market account and I've been sitting on that cash.
02-27-2020, 10:53 PM
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Keep buying, but don't put it all in at once. Dollar cost average boyos.
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02-27-2020, 10:58 PM
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dont know.. but the media is pushing the whole panic campaign contributing to it.
The total cases are going down in china and some of their stores are reopening.
my stock went down 3 more % earlier but then recovered 2 back. It cant go on forever and will only get better.
its funny how my first experience with this stuff is right when this "virus" hit. bad timing. Just the kind of luck that Nicklol has..lmfao
The total cases are going down in china and some of their stores are reopening.
my stock went down 3 more % earlier but then recovered 2 back. It cant go on forever and will only get better.
its funny how my first experience with this stuff is right when this "virus" hit. bad timing. Just the kind of luck that Nicklol has..lmfao
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02-27-2020, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Jasonw1178⏩
yep, people in wall street and in those huge hedge funds basically control and can manipulate the marketIsn't it also true that the minor players on the stock market have such a small share of the stock market that it doesn't have enough to move it? Call a big time broker and say you want to buy $100K in (name stock/company) and see if they have much more reaction that when a cashier at the grocery store see's you buy the family sized hot pocket pack. Maybe a mil or two they will repeat it back to you to be sure they heard you right. It's really nuts how much money is moving around.
(these are my opinions i am not a licensed broker by trade)
02-27-2020, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
I think this is pretty spot on...I would add:Guys.....I know many of you have traded for a while and are not novices. I myself have been trading since I was a kid, worked on the CBOE, and trade for my living.
I never knew there were so many people on the misc who trade. I think I have seen 7 to 8 threads today alone about the market.
So....all that being said, one thing I have learned in any bull market, whether it be gold, oil, stocks, crypto, etc....is when you see SO MANY people investing? In this case in stocks? That is normally a sign that things are about to go very very bad. People that have no business trading or investing see the market reaching new highs every week and think to themselves "hmmmm, I think it is time to put money in". 9 times out of ten while the novices are doing that? The pros are selling.
This is no direct retort to any of you specifically. All I am saying is be very very careful. Most of you have never been in a bear market. I am not saying we are entering one here, but the money has been very very easy the past 2-3 years....a bigtime correction will be coming sooner or later.
I never knew there were so many people on the misc who trade. I think I have seen 7 to 8 threads today alone about the market.
So....all that being said, one thing I have learned in any bull market, whether it be gold, oil, stocks, crypto, etc....is when you see SO MANY people investing? In this case in stocks? That is normally a sign that things are about to go very very bad. People that have no business trading or investing see the market reaching new highs every week and think to themselves "hmmmm, I think it is time to put money in". 9 times out of ten while the novices are doing that? The pros are selling.
This is no direct retort to any of you specifically. All I am saying is be very very careful. Most of you have never been in a bear market. I am not saying we are entering one here, but the money has been very very easy the past 2-3 years....a bigtime correction will be coming sooner or later.
- the US is in a 12 year bull market, exceptionally long time
- volatility is low indicating a lot of complacency from market participants
- cyclically adjusted price/earnings ratio (CAPE) is above 30...only other times it has been >30 is before the 1929 great depression and the 2008 GFC
There is a lot of risk for not much reward in the US right now IMO.
I get the feeling a lot of the price increase has been driven by central banks, any time bad news comes out the markets go up in anticipation of an interest rate cut. I don't think this is sustainable in the long term, it just adds to the risk of a big market sell off...probably worse than the GFC. Meb Faber explained it well on a podcast I was listening to the other day and used the analogy of workers at ski resorts setting off fireworks to create mini-avalanches, thereby decreasing the risk of a big avalanche later on.
Central banks have not allowed market corrections to happen, which has the effect of:
- erasing the business cycle and allowing poor quality companies to continue to attract capital and remain solvent
- artificially reducing volatility, creating a false sense of security among newer market participants.
- allowing the risk of a massive sell off to build up in the market
Some of you US brahs who have been investing for a while would have done very well out of the last few years, might be time to take a bit of money off the table.
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02-28-2020, 12:33 AM
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It'll dip further.
Italy is completely incapable of containing virus (they just have no clue/organisation/control/discipline) & will spread it to Europe throough open borders. So Europe will get a little virus outbreak & lose some confidence. Market will drop.
USA is just getting it's first "bloom" of cases. I am not convinced the response has been well co-ordinated enough & the tracking/detection/treatment methods are not as sophisticated as some other nations (sorry USA brahs, but your borders & healthcare is actually among the lower tier of OECD nations). So you'll get a little drop there too.
I don't think the virus itself is world changing. But markets are massively emotionally driven. Crazy in this day & age but we see it time & time again. It will dip further on the drop in confidence + genuine shrinking in world trade due to China's extended cut off. USA might be doing ok but in a globalised economy, if China sneezes, errybody else gets a cold.
Wait a month at least.
Italy is completely incapable of containing virus (they just have no clue/organisation/control/discipline) & will spread it to Europe throough open borders. So Europe will get a little virus outbreak & lose some confidence. Market will drop.
USA is just getting it's first "bloom" of cases. I am not convinced the response has been well co-ordinated enough & the tracking/detection/treatment methods are not as sophisticated as some other nations (sorry USA brahs, but your borders & healthcare is actually among the lower tier of OECD nations). So you'll get a little drop there too.
I don't think the virus itself is world changing. But markets are massively emotionally driven. Crazy in this day & age but we see it time & time again. It will dip further on the drop in confidence + genuine shrinking in world trade due to China's extended cut off. USA might be doing ok but in a globalised economy, if China sneezes, errybody else gets a cold.
Wait a month at least.
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02-28-2020, 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted By BuckNakedinBama⏩
Good call nostradamus, what will the markets do today?Buy fear and sell greed
Lots of fear right now
I would honestly expect a slight down market tomorrow with a huge plunge late into the afternoon. Like a 1500-2000 point plunge. Nobody wants to be holding the bag if this virus blows up over the weekend.
Lots of fear right now
I would honestly expect a slight down market tomorrow with a huge plunge late into the afternoon. Like a 1500-2000 point plunge. Nobody wants to be holding the bag if this virus blows up over the weekend.
02-28-2020, 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted By greenleaf⏩
meeAny brah feeling broke af after the carnage this week?
I just want it to at least go back up to where I rebought in a few days ago. I dont care about profits as much atm.. but actually losing money that I had originally invested
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02-28-2020, 02:42 AM
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gonna buy tesla once it bottoms out
02-28-2020, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted By Nicklol⏩
why did you buy at the peak of the market lolmee
I just want it to at least go back up to where I rebought in a few days ago. I dont care about profits as much atm.. but actually losing money that I had originally invested
I just want it to at least go back up to where I rebought in a few days ago. I dont care about profits as much atm.. but actually losing money that I had originally invested
02-28-2020, 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted By savageoldman⏩
rookie error right? Everyone knows you're supposed to buy at the BOTTOM of the market and not the top.why did you buy at the peak of the market lol
Buy low, sell high...easy
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02-28-2020, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted By savageoldman⏩
Good move man, make sure you buy it at the bottom and definitely not at the top.gonna buy tesla once it bottoms out
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Originally Posted By Nicklol⏩
Was afraid to go back and look at my lost money but It was hardly anything. disregard this post lolmee
I just want it to at least go back up to where I rebought in a few days ago. I dont care about profits as much atm.. but actually losing money that I had originally invested
I just want it to at least go back up to where I rebought in a few days ago. I dont care about profits as much atm.. but actually losing money that I had originally invested
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Keep this in mind with the fear of the coronavirus and the market changes right now
Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year.
The fear of this is fueled by the MEDIA.....the largest terrorist organization on the planet, they inflict panic and fear in the people with their reporting on a daily basis.
Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year.
The fear of this is fueled by the MEDIA.....the largest terrorist organization on the planet, they inflict panic and fear in the people with their reporting on a daily basis.
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02-28-2020, 03:45 AM
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All my investments are for long term growth so the downturn doesn’t bother me but it is very difficult not to dump money with this drop. I won’t lie because I did buy yesterday but that’s because I am weak lol
I do realize this will last a little bit so I am not concerned about buying the ‘bottom’ I have some money to throw in but I may just continue my normal weekly additions and stay away from buying more.
I get an addictive personality and can empty out all cash funds into the market very quickly if I don’t stop myself.
I do realize this will last a little bit so I am not concerned about buying the ‘bottom’ I have some money to throw in but I may just continue my normal weekly additions and stay away from buying more.
I get an addictive personality and can empty out all cash funds into the market very quickly if I don’t stop myself.
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02-28-2020, 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted By Bosko⏩
This, never seen such madness and hysteria before.Keep this in mind with the fear of the coronavirus and the market changes right now
Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year.
The fear of this is fueled by the MEDIA.....the largest terrorist organization on the planet, they inflict panic and fear in the people with their reporting on a daily basis.
Seasonal flu kills 291,000 to 646,000 people worldwide each year.
The fear of this is fueled by the MEDIA.....the largest terrorist organization on the planet, they inflict panic and fear in the people with their reporting on a daily basis.
Imagine if they close borders because of the flu.
Media is the cause of this crash.
02-28-2020, 04:55 AM
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YESSSS so happy for this lawls. hopefully in another 1 month it will go lower so we can all buy more at better prices. lmao if you dont have atleast 50- 100k waiting to invest money at good prices. we need bigger dips, i am patiently waiting and cost averaging down
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Buy puts for travel agencies/airlines.
02-28-2020, 05:07 AM
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Im not buying yet, there's still some room to go.
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what stocks are people buying?
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02-28-2020, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Just my opinion based on my own experience but I think the average person should be buying bonds. Not bond funds run by some wall street investment group. Actual, physical, individual bonds. You buy them, you collect a fixed interest rate and you hold them to maturity then they pay you back your principle.So what do you think people with money should be doing, if not investing in the market?
Just curious as I just added 20K to my money market account and I've been sitting on that cash.
Just curious as I just added 20K to my money market account and I've been sitting on that cash.
I have built my entire retirement around bonds, reinvesting the dividends and buying back in when the bonds mature.
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Originally Posted By KirkMcquest⏩
dont listen to him please. why would you buy bonds when you can be earning 30x on stocks? wait for companies to go on sale and buy them when they are cheap. it's like 2008 all over again. wait for stocks to get cheaper because they probably will in the next month or so. The stock market will recover, like it always has.Just my opinion based on my own experience but I think the average person should be buying bonds. Not bond funds run by some wall street investment group. Actual, physical, individual bonds. You buy them, you collect a fixed interest rate and you hold them to maturity then they pay you back your principle.
I have built my entire retirement around bonds, reinvesting the dividends and buying back in when the bonds mature.
I have built my entire retirement around bonds, reinvesting the dividends and buying back in when the bonds mature.
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I'm buying through this but not aggressively. I've been through enough of these to know the bottom may be a long way away. Only buying total market index.
The virus is concerning to me at the least. A good investment may be extra food on hand. Like preparing for a hurricane.
The virus is concerning to me at the least. A good investment may be extra food on hand. Like preparing for a hurricane.
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Originally Posted By ontclone⏩
LOL sounds alot like what people were saying in 2007....the market only goes up! Real estate only goes UP! And so many people lost their entire savings and had to work at Walmart to delay retirement.dont listen to him please. why would you buy bonds when you can be earning 30x on stocks? wait for companies to go on sale and buy them when they are cheap. it's like 2008 all over again. wait for stocks to get cheaper because they probably will in the next month or so. The stock market will recover, like it always has.
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