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Thread: Misc Firearms Crew LXXVI: Headshots for Jesus

post 1599716271 03-13-2020, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted By veggie530⏩
I'm on the front lines bro, comes with the territory. I've triaged over 1,000 patients this year myself. No chance I get through the season unscathed -- already did influenza A.

My team is pretty convinced I have it just because my profile fits perfectly and I've had plenty of opportunity for exposure in the E.R. from people that we wouldn't have tested or known had an exposure. My chest CT fits the pattern and so does my timeline, illness pattern, etc

At this point I hope it comes back positive. I don't want to spend the rest of the year waiting for the hammer to drop again, wearing a mask, being paranoid that I'm going to get quarantined again.
Do you guys have any info on catching it again? IE: Say you are positive for it. Do you have to worry about getting it again in a few months or whenever it is that it inevitably pops back up again?

Are you guys seeing the permanent lung damage in recovered patients that other places in the world are reporting?
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Originally Posted By veggie530⏩
I'm on the front lines bro, comes with the territory. I've triaged over 1,000 patients this year myself. No chance I get through the season unscathed -- already did influenza A.

My team is pretty convinced I have it just because my profile fits perfectly and I've had plenty of opportunity for exposure in the E.R. from people that we wouldn't have tested or known had an exposure. My chest CT fits the pattern and so does my timeline, illness pattern, etc

At this point I hope it comes back positive. I don't want to spend the rest of the year waiting for the hammer to drop again, wearing a mask, being paranoid that I'm going to get quarantined again.
So is this paid time or a workers comp claim? Serious.
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Originally Posted By BOZZ⏩
So is this paid time or a workers comp claim? Serious.
I'm not entirely sure. So far I've only missed one scheduled day of work and will likely only miss 3. I would hope they'd be supportive of a workman's comp claim if any more days had to be missed, given my obvious exposure source likelihood lol
Originally Posted By R3L3NTL3SS⏩
Do you guys have any info on catching it again? IE: Say you are positive for it. Do you have to worry about getting it again in a few months or whenever it is that it inevitably pops back up again?

Are you guys seeing the permanent lung damage in recovered patients that other places in the world are reporting?
Any patient that gets PNA and becomes critically ill has long term lung changes. It takes months to return to normal, and if you're old that's unlikely. My education so far is that once you have it you wouldn't get it again unless it evolved into a new strand. just like there's multiple strains of flu there's already tons of known corona viruses, this one (COVID 19) is just worse.
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post 1599717401 03-13-2020, 04:40 PM
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Was running around today getting my home office set up. Wife has to work from home now too.

Filled up the truck and cars’ tanks and filled my gas cans and propane tanks.

Getting more food from Walmart pickup right now on top of everything else this week so I think we are good to ride it out at home for the next few weeks.

Nobody seemed to be going too crazy considering everything has been shut down and we are in a state of emergency.
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Originally Posted By veggie530⏩
I'm on the front lines bro, comes with the territory. I've triaged over 1,000 patients this year myself. No chance I get through the season unscathed -- already did influenza A.

My team is pretty convinced I have it just because my profile fits perfectly and I've had plenty of opportunity for exposure in the E.R. from people that we wouldn't have tested or known had an exposure. My chest CT fits the pattern and so does my timeline, illness pattern, etc

At this point I hope it comes back positive. I don't want to spend the rest of the year waiting for the hammer to drop again, wearing a mask, being paranoid that I'm going to get quarantined again.
My little brother is a firefighter/paramedic for phx metro area. Came down to visit yesterday, and i asked what precautions they're taking.

Basically, fire/paramedics have turned to "urgent care on wheels". Srs. With latest fire prevention tech, big 5-alarm fires are few and far between. With vehicle safety improvements, it's mostly transport to nearest hospitals with scraps and bruises.

Money actually now comes from billing health insurance companies for triage, transport, and literally, taking vitals of old people who call 911 because they have a ache when they cough. So bottom line, he sees a lot of sick people more than anything in the field.

Here's the break-down of what he tells me: Caller calls 911, dispatch asks how they can help. If it's sickness related, they ask the symptoms (dry cough, fever, etc). They run down the checklist, and if it sounds like covid-19, dispatch then calls the nearest fire dept and talk directly to the battalion chief. BC then tells the responding paramedics to don extra protection.

Extra protection is 2 just things beyond the gloves: disposable eye protection and disposable face masks.
Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
So, about that 2A thing . . .


https://www.wandtv.com/news/executiv...a7f3b3aee.html

CHAMPAIGN, Ill. (WAND) - Champaign Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen has issued an executive order declaring an emergency in the city.

City officials said the emergency is related to the COVID-19, which is anticipated to cause an impact on the health of community members. Champaign Municipal Code allows the mayor to declare an emergency for a limited time.

Included in the executive order are ordinances that would give the city extraordinary powers to the Mayor.

- Violating parts of the Open Meetings Act
- Ban sale of firearms and ammunition
- Ban sale of any alcohol
- Closing of all bars, taverns, liquor stores, etc
- Ban sale or giving away of gasoline or other liquid flammable or combustible products in any container other than a gasoline tank permanently fixed to a motor vehicle
- Direct the shutoff of power, water, gas, etc
- Take possession of private property and obtain full title to same
- Prohibit or restrict ingress and egress to and from the City

well, if you ain't sitting on a minimum of 8k rounds of each caliber you shoot, Farley is going to tell you "I told you so".
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post 1599718141 03-13-2020, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted By veggie530⏩
I'm not entirely sure. So far I've only missed one scheduled day of work and will likely only miss 3. I would hope they'd be supportive of a workman's comp claim if any more days had to be missed, given my obvious exposure source likelihood lol



Any patient that gets PNA and becomes critically ill has long term lung changes. It takes months to return to normal, and if you're old that's unlikely. My education so far is that once you have it you wouldn't get it again unless it evolved into a new strand. just like there's multiple strains of flu there's already tons of known corona viruses, this one (COVID 19) is just worse.
Interesting. Seemed like most people were trying to say the permanent or long lasting lung damage was specifically virus related, but I didnt know any time you get pneumonia it's a possibility.
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
So, about that 2A thing . . .


https://www.wandtv.com/news/executiv...a7f3b3aee.html

CHAMPAIGN, Ill. (WAND) - Champaign Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen has issued an executive order declaring an emergency in the city.

City officials said the emergency is related to the COVID-19, which is anticipated to cause an impact on the health of community members. Champaign Municipal Code allows the mayor to declare an emergency for a limited time.

Included in the executive order are ordinances that would give the city extraordinary powers to the Mayor.

- Violating parts of the Open Meetings Act
- Ban sale of firearms and ammunition
- Ban sale of any alcohol
- Closing of all bars, taverns, liquor stores, etc
- Ban sale or giving away of gasoline or other liquid flammable or combustible products in any container other than a gasoline tank permanently fixed to a motor vehicle
- Direct the shutoff of power, water, gas, etc
- Take possession of private property and obtain full title to same
- Prohibit or restrict ingress and egress to and from the City

that is quite a list.
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post 1599720151 03-13-2020, 05:24 PM
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Veggie, do you know if you guys are using chloroquine and/or hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients? Asian countries are supposedly having amazing results with it.
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Originally Posted By veggie530⏩
I'm not entirely sure. So far I've only missed one scheduled day of work and will likely only miss 3. I would hope they'd be supportive of a workman's comp claim if any more days had to be missed, given my obvious exposure source likelihood lol



Any patient that gets PNA and becomes critically ill has long term lung changes. It takes months to return to normal, and if you're old that's unlikely. My education so far is that once you have it you wouldn't get it again unless it evolved into a new strand. just like there's multiple strains of flu there's already tons of known corona viruses, this one (COVID 19) is just worse.
got pneumonia in boot camp, ironically after I received pneumonia vaccine. 1 day bed rest after diagnosed though I felt like death for about a week total. Don't think I had lung damage but guess that's a mild case though.

Would expect you'd get workmans comp. Thankfully I have short term disability ins. so when I inevitably get super wushu plastic dog poop severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 covid-2019 flu+ I'll get paid until 99% chance death.
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
So, about that 2A thing . . .


https://www.wandtv.com/news/executiv...a7f3b3aee.html

CHAMPAIGN, Ill. (WAND) - Champaign Mayor Deborah Frank Feinen has issued an executive order declaring an emergency in the city.


stopped reading at "Ill."
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post 1599722001 03-13-2020, 05:56 PM
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The following was passed on from an ICU doc in Seattle on the front lines on ********. The poster tried to simplify the medical jargon in one of her comments and this is what I’m posting below:

I was asked to 'interpret' what I posted. This is an 'easier-to-read' version regarding what the ICU doctor shared with us from Seattle on his/her experience with treating/managing COVID19:

21 patients with 11 deaths since 2/28. Some of these patients are healthy with no other medical problems in their 20s. Currently the entire intensive care unit is for critical patients. The regular hospital floor beds are being used for stable patients and those at the end of life. The progressive care unit (like an ICU but a little less serious) and half the the ER are for patients with respiratory symptoms.
Personal protection equipment for healthcare providers is inadequate.

Clinical information: Agree with Chinese data that of the patients that are confirmed sick with this virus, 80% are mildly ill, 14% are sick enough to be hospitalized, and 6-8% are critically ill. However the data are skewed by under-testing and the number of elderly getting comfort-only care.
Perfectly healthy young people are also getting sick, needing ICU and ventilator support, and dying. The time-frame to death is about a week.

COVD19 has some unique features: 1/3 have mild lower respiration symptoms (cough, shortness of breath) and need oxygen by nasal canula. Another 1/3 are sicker and require face masks (or oxygen non-rebreather masks). And finally 1/3 are intubated (tube into their airway on a ventilator) with acute respiratory distress syndrome.

These sick patients seem to all have normal white blood cell (WBC) count with low lymphocytes. Sometimes there are lots of neutrophils, but combined with the low lymphocytes the total WBC is normal. And it is stable even at 10 days. The BAL (brochoalveolar lavage which is when sterile saline is put into the airway, and then sucked out, and sent to the lab for analysis) shows lots of lymphocytes (despite the fact that they were low in the blood). But try not to do a BAL on these patients.

They have high, intermittent, persistent fevers for over 10 days. It is not the medication, its the virus. The procalcitonin levels are low and checking it initially and then watching its trend may be useful to help watch for ventilator-associated pneumonia (because in VAP the procalcitonin levels rise).

Liver function tests (AST/ALT and sometimes alk phos) increase; but without full hepatitis. It seems like higher levels at admission heralded deterioration and progression to severe lung disease and respiratory failure.

CXR is always a bilateral pathcy or reticular infiltrates that are sometimes peri-hilar. May look like a cardiac issue (like early heart failure with a back up of fluid into the lungs) but the heart function (ejection fraction, EF) is normal and the patient is dehydrated at presentation. This CXR finding has always been present! CT scans have not been more helpful than CXRs.

When respiratory failure occurs it is FAST. It may be happening about 7-10 days from symptom onset, but very rapid from the time of hospital admission. Common scenario is: Admit the patient on 1 liter of oxygen by nasal canula (a very little bit). Twelve hours later the patient need more help with a device that pushes oxygenated air into their nose/mouth and down their airway into their lungs (NPPV think like a CPAP machine). Twelve to 24 hours later they are intubated, on a ventilator, turned onto their bellies in the ICU, and on Flolan. With this treatment, their oxygen levels aren't as bad as with H1N1.

Patients are dying from this from cardiac arrest and not respiratory failure.

Because the rapid deterioration from onset and presentation to respiratory failure, its important to intubate early. Sometimes people try facemask, but if they need high-flow oxygen by nasal canula or positive pressure to push air into the airway, they are going to need a tube so go ahead and do that early.

We have not seen multi-organ system failure. Liver seems to react some, and maybe the kidneys too, but no florid failure. Except heart failure, we are seeing heart failure which is how the patients die.

Regarding the heart: we have patients who have normal functioning hearts and normal heart ultrasounds. Normal heart labs too. Then go into the described respiratory failure (but don't have shock, blood pressure is okay, no sepsis). Then they start looking good. They get off the Flolan, are turned over onto their backs, and weaned off the ventilator.

Then, 12 hours later they are suddenly in shock. Cold, clammy, and blood pressure drops and they need pressors (medication to keep the BP up). Their heart fails with the EF going from normal (55-70%) to **** at less than at 10%. Then they either develop a deadly arrhythmia like ventricular tachycardia, ventricular fibrillation, to pulseless electrical activity, to asystole in less than one day! Actually, the most common rhythm we see is asystole.

Therefore there appears to be a viral cardiomyopathic component (i.e. the virus seems to attack the heart directly later in the course).

Treatments: Remdesivir seems to help the ARDS but we don't have enough to give everyone the recommended 10 days, so we do it until they seem better-ish. Steroids are questionable. It is likely that steroids increase ventilator associated pneumonia and/or hospital acquired pneumonia. The general consensus here is that steroids do more harm than good. To the extent that inhaled steroids should be stopped.
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For the vast majority of people nationwide and worldwide, this virus is not about you. This is one of those times in life, in history, when your actions are about something bigger. They are about someone else. They are about something greater, a greater good that you may not ever witness. A person you will save who you will never meet.

You may be healthy, and your kids may be healthy. You parents may be healthy. Everyone around you seems fine. And all the things you planned and the 2020 spring you thought you were going to have has been completely undone. You have to work from home. Your conference is cancelled. Your semester is over. Your work is cancelled. It all seems fast, and out-of-proportion and disorienting. You look at each action and think—but it would be okay if I did that. It’s not so big. We worked so hard. They would be so disappointed.

Your losses are real. Your disappointments are real. Your hardships are real. I don’t mean to make light or to minimize the difficulty ahead for you, your family or community.

But this isn’t like other illnesses and we don’t get to act like it is. It’s more contagious, it’s more fatal—and most importantly, even if it can be managed. It can’t be managed at a massive scale—anywhere. We need this thing to move slowly enough for our collective national and worldwide medical systems to hold the very ill so that all of the very ill can get taken care of. Because at this time of severe virus there are also all of the other things that require care. There is still cancer, there are still heart attacks, there are still car accidents, there are still complicated births. And we need our medical systems to be able to hold us. And we need to be responsible because our medical systems are made up of people and these amazing healthcare workers are a precious and limited resource. They will rise to this occasion. They will work to help you heal. They will work to save your mother or father or sister or baby. But in order for that to happen we have very important work to do. ALL OF US.

So what is our work? Yes, you need to wash your hands and stay home if you are sick. But the biggest work you can do is expand your heart and your mind to see yourself and see your family as part of a much bigger community that can have a massive—hugely massive—impact on the lives of other people. I remember the feeling of helplessness after 9/11 and after Hurricane Sandy. I remember how much people wanted to help. I remember how much generosity of spirit there was about wanting to give, wanting to be helpful, wanting to save lives. And many of you have had experiences since then—whether it was a mass shooting, or the wildfires, or floods. There have been times you have looked on and wondered how you could help. And now we ALL have that chance.

You can help by canceling anything that requires a group gathering. You can help by not using the medical system unless it is urgent. You can help by staying home if you are sick. You can help by cooking or shopping or doing errands for a friend who needs to stay home. You can help by watching someone’s kid if they need to cover for someone else at work. You can help by ordering take-out from your local restaurants. Eat the food yourself or find someone who needs it. You can help by offering to help bring someone’s college student home or house out-of-town students if you have extra rooms. You can help by asking yourself, “What can I and my family do to help?” “What can we offer?” You can help by seeing yourself as part of something bigger than yourself.

When the Apollo 13 oxygen tank failed and the lunar module was in danger of not returning to earth, Gene Kranz, the lead flight director overheard people saying that this could be the worst disaster NASA had ever experienced—to which he is rumored to have responded, “With all due respect, I believe this is going to be our finest hour.”

Imagine if we could make our response to this crisis our finest hour. Imagine if a year or two from now we looked back on this and told the stories of how we came together as a team in our community, in our state, in our nation and across the world. Your contribution to the finest hour may seem small, invisible, inconsequential—but every small act of ‘not doing’ what you were going to do, and ‘doing’ an act of kindness or support will add up exponentially. These acts can and will save lives. The Apollo 13 crew made it their finest hour by letting go of the word “I” and embracing the word “we.” And that’s the task required of us. It can only be our finest hour if we work together. You are all on the team. And we need all of you to shine in whatever way you can.
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stopped reading at "Ill."
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Thanks for your time.
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
Here . . . kitty, kitty.

That cop is damn lucky she's alive. Those things get one clean shot at the back of your neck and it's lights out.
Out of all wildlife I can come across on my outdoor trips, nothing scares me more than mountain lions.
Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
well, if you ain't sitting on a minimum of 8k rounds of each caliber you shoot, Farley is going to tell you "I told you so".
Still have my pallet of 15k 5.56 rounds I bought a few years ago crew.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
This is what the problem looks like ^



Yes, the italian government, the world health organization, south korean government, chinese government, the whole world basically, is owned by the same people who own fox news and yes, those people want to cripple the world economy by making up this "coronavirus" thing that's really just the flu and should be ignored.


SMH


Another Italy update: People with the virus who don't self quarantine can be charged with murder and face 21 years in prison now

But that's just because the ownership of fox news wills it so because...IDK they own the prisons in Italy and will profit from it? 4ea will be along soon to explain I am sure
youre being the problem by over reacting like a bitch. in two months when this all blows over and everyone sees it really wasnt some doomsday plague il remind you i was right.

as for a corporate conspiracy. imagine a small group of billionaires who can exert influence over all world govt and control the media. those people would be so rich that money doesnt even matter to them. crippling the worlds economy would simply be another step towards fuking up the middle class.

these would also be the same kind of people who own biochem labs that can create diseases like corona and others. but of course you would have to be insane to believe that there could be a small group of billionaires who are power hungry and want to see an end to the middle class.
Originally Posted By RThoe⏩
Out of all wildlife I can come across on my outdoor trips, nothing scares me more than mountain lions.



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15k is good numbers. il have about 10k of 5.56 when i get my next order
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Originally Posted By 4ea⏩
youre being the problem by over reacting like a bitch. in two months when this all blows over and everyone sees it really wasnt some doomsday plague il remind you i was right.
By all means, please do so.

Of course, that's already moving the goal posts, it's not a doomsday plague, it's not ebola or a novel filovirus or anything like that. THAT would be the end times if it was showing up on maps like we were seeing a week ago. This is just, potentially 1918 v2 give or take,depending mostly on how seriously we take it in order to minimize the damage
Originally Posted By 4ea⏩
as for a corporate conspiracy. imagine a small group of billionaires who can exert influence over all world govt and control the media. those people would be so rich that money doesnt even matter to them. crippling the worlds economy would simply be another step towards fuking up the middle class.

these would also be the same kind of people who own biochem labs that can create diseases like corona and others. but of course you would have to be insane to believe that there could be a small group of billionaires who are power hungry and want to see an end to the middle class.
Yes it's a corporate (and every major government in the world) conspriacy. That's definitely more likely than it being a legitimately big deal.

lmao I was like, oh honey, bless your heart.
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Wife is doing Walmart pickup and it took 2 hours. Half the order was unavailable.

Bread, steak, ground beef, water, peanut butter and a bunch of other stuff all unavailable. Oh, baby wipes too.

Now she’s freaking out. And I’m like I told you this is why you need to prep. She’d give me chit at sams club when I’d buy cases of beans and chili and chef boy r dee and cases of MREs and I’m like you are probably glad we have that now in case we need it huh?
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Originally Posted By Tuksonrider⏩
well, if you ain't sitting on a minimum of 8k rounds of each caliber you shoot, Farley is going to tell you "I told you so".
Quite the opposite, actually. How much ammo you have doesn't really matter for this, as long as it's, like, two mags full at least.

The larger quantities of ammo are important so that when ammo supplies are interrupted (like a banic or other political shenanigans, mostly) you can keep shooting, training, and practicing. It's important to have ammo so you can keep practicing, so that if and when you need to a firearm, you don't suck with it.

For short term stuff, actual SHTF, actual regular daily DGU, it's more important that you have been getting reps in and are at least somewhat proficient. It's important that you've used your ammo so that you are comfortable and confident with your proficiency with your 1 or handful of firearms that you go-to, and that you have proven the reliability of those firearms in your hands with your ammo and your magazines.


For something like this, or any DGU, rounds downrange building skill proficiency and familiarity >>>>> ammo on a shelf in the back of your closet.
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By all means, please do so.

Of course, that's already moving the goal posts, it's not a doomsday plague, it's not ebola or a novel filovirus or anything like that. THAT would be the end times if it was showing up on maps like we were seeing a week ago. This is just, potentially 1918 v2 give or take,depending mostly on how seriously we take it in order to minimize the damage



Yes it's a corporate (and every major government in the world) conspriacy. That's definitely more likely than it being a legitimately big deal.

lmao I was like, oh honey, bless your heart.
you really think this is going to be a repeat of the spanish flu pandemic? so 50 million deaths?

youve been watching way too much mainstream media, its putting dumb ideas into your head.

and you also dont believe that corona could have been created in a lab? you think that all the years of sitting around doing nothing with your life has made you all knowledgeable about the things that go on in the world?
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N95 masks came in . . . so that panned out well. Whether we'll actually need them is up for debate, but at least now it's an option.
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Originally Posted By 4ea⏩
you really think this is going to be a repeat of the spanish flu pandemic? so 50 million deaths?

youve been watching way too much mainstream media, its putting dumb ideas into your head.

and you also dont believe that corona could have been created in a lab? you think that all the years of sitting around doing nothing with your life has made you all knowledgeable about the things that go on in the world?
I haven't watched more than maybe 1 hour of mainstream media in the past year, and that was solely live Trump speeches the past three days. Try again.The closets historical example we have to look at is 1918, and a HUGE factor in whether or not it's like that,is how seriously we take it now to stem the tide and limit the casualties by flattening the curve and buying time

No I do not believe that sars-cov-2 was made in a lab at the order of the wealthy elite corporations and all major world leaders to create this pandemic for their benefit. Good grief dude.
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N95 masks came in . . . so that panned out well. Whether we'll actually need them is up for debate, but at least now it's an option.
That's like a small lottery hit

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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Quite the opposite, actually. How much ammo you have doesn't really matter for this, as long as it's, like, two mags full at least.

The larger quantities of ammo are important so that when ammo supplies are interrupted (like a banic or other political shenanigans, mostly) you can keep shooting, training, and practicing. It's important to have ammo so you can keep practicing, so that if and when you need to a firearm, you don't suck with it.

For short term stuff, actual SHTF, actual regular daily DGU, it's more important that you have been getting reps in and are at least somewhat proficient. It's important that you've used your ammo so that you are comfortable and confident with your proficiency with your 1 or handful of firearms that you go-to, and that you have proven the reliability of those firearms in your hands with your ammo and your magazines.


For something like this, or any DGU, rounds downrange building skill proficiency and familiarity >>>>> ammo on a shelf in the back of your closet.
Agree with everything here.

And by rounds downrange, should specify that means training not plinking. If you don't have a shot timer, get an app for your phone until you can get one. Guys should be shooting real quals doing actual *training* supplemented by dry fire practice. I've seen guys blow through a couple hundred rounds in an outing...pretty sure they weren't getting any better though.

I try to break it up...dry fire practice as able in free time, more structured dry fire in full kit doing core exercises with a long gun once a week, .22 to work accuracy or centerfire handgun to work on draw and recoil control, then maybe once every couple weeks live fire centerfire rifle. Each time I am shooting though, I'm shooting a box of ammo, maybe 2. But other than the .22 drills, I'm always using a shot timer, and generally not just plinking - shooting from field positions, shooting after running / crawling (exhaustion), shooting in full kit and not slick from a bench, etc.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I haven't watched more than maybe 1 hour of mainstream media in the past year, and that was solely live Trump speeches the past three days. Try again.The closets historical example we have to look at is 1918, and a HUGE factor in whether or not it's like that,is how seriously we take it now to stem the tide and limit the casualties by flattening the curve and buying time

No I do not believe that sars-cov-2 was made in a lab at the order of the wealthy elite corporations and all major world leaders to create this pandemic for their benefit. Good grief dude.
govts can and do create and modify infectious diseases and other biological agents. heres two articles about govt modifying bird flu so that it is airborne and therefore considerably more contagious.

https://www.nature.com/news/scientis...rborne-1.12925

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/s...-airborne.html

they do this kind of thing because they are a bunch of power hungry maniacs that want more and more varieties of weapons.

but i digress... i caught corona virus, and so did many of the people i know. they all got incredibly sick, but no one died. maybe its true that the elderly are more at risk of dying from it, but still it is not something which necessitates the knee jerk panic reaction that were seeing.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
That's like a small lottery hit

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Yeah, I think that was nothing short of blind luck. I could have bought more under the limit but I wasn't sure it was going to be legit (either one of those "thanks for your order--please expect 3-4 months for processing" things or maybe not really 3M N95 masks). As it is, I got 2 boxes so that's 20 masks.
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
Yeah, I think that was nothing short of blind luck. I could have bought more under the limit but I wasn't sure it was going to be legit (either one of those "thanks for your order--please expect 3-4 months for processing" things or maybe not really 3M N95 masks). As it is, I got 2 boxes so that's 20 masks.
Good God, we have more hand sanitizer, TP, wet wipes, and gloves/masks/lysol than we will probably ever need. The good thing is, no matter what, it will all get used eventually. I’m just gonna sit here and drink some Pacifico’s and watch these arguments happen.
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
Yeah, I think that was nothing short of blind luck. I could have bought more under the limit but I wasn't sure it was going to be legit (either one of those "thanks for your order--please expect 3-4 months for processing" things or maybe not really 3M N95 masks). As it is, I got 2 boxes so that's 20 masks.
Most likely even 20 masks is probably more than adequate, unless you're having to go into work around other people daily or something that's the new-abnormal.

Being smart and avoiding social stuff as much as possible for awhile should mean few uses for masks. But having 0 would really make me nervous, what if somebody gets injured, or comes down sick, doge gets sick, good friend or neighbor has some type of emergency and you're going, things you can't just skip...? Would want to show up with mask already on. For example. Or you absolutely have to go into work for something, and other people are there...just put the mask on. Then toss it. Still have more at home. No big deal. So much better than 0

So many stores have drive up pickup or even delivery now, that shouldn't be an issue.
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Good read on the importance of social disancing during a pandemic . . .

https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-th...tancing-works/

In 1918, the city of Philadelphia threw a parade that killed thousands of people. Ignoring warnings of influenza among soldiers preparing for World War I, the march to support the war effort drew 200,000 people who crammed together to watch the procession. Three days later, every bed in Philadelphia’s 31 hospitals was filled with sick and dying patients, infected by the Spanish flu.

By the end of the week, more than 4,500 were dead in an outbreak that would claim as many as 100 million people worldwide. By the time Philadelphia’s politicians closed down the city, it was too late.

A different story played out in St. Louis, just 900 miles away. Within two days of detecting its first cases among civilians, the city closed schools, playgrounds, libraries, courtrooms, and even churches. Work shifts were staggered and streetcar ridership was strictly limited. Public gatherings of more than 20 people were banned.

The extreme measures—now known as social distancing, which is being called for by global health agencies to mitigate the spread of the novel coronavirus—kept per capita flu-related deaths in St. Louis to less than half of those in Philadelphia, according to a 2007 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
Good read on the importance of social disancing during a pandemic . . .

https://qz.com/1816060/a-chart-of-th...tancing-works/

In 1918, the city of Philadelphia threw a parade that killed thousands of people. Ignoring warnings of influenza among soldiers preparing for World War I, the march to support the war effort drew 200,000 people who crammed together to watch the procession. Three days later, every bed in Philadelphia’s 31 hospitals was filled with sick and dying patients, infected by the Spanish flu.

By the end of the week, more than 4,500 were dead in an outbreak that would claim as many as 100 million people worldwide. By the time Philadelphia’s politicians closed down the city, it was too late.

A different story played out in St. Louis, just 900 miles away. Within two days of detecting its first cases among civilians, the city closed schools, playgrounds, libraries, courtrooms, and even churches. Work shifts were staggered and streetcar ridership was strictly limited. Public gatherings of more than 20 people were banned.

The extreme measures—now known as social distancing, which is being called for by global health agencies to mitigate the spread of the novel coronavirus—kept per capita flu-related deaths in St. Louis to less than half of those in Philadelphia, according to a 2007 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
youre being the problem by over reacting like a bitch. in two months when this all blows over and everyone sees it really wasnt some doomsday plague il remind you i was right.


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Originally Posted By PapaBurgandy⏩
Anybody stop going to the gym yet?
home gym crew. i need to stop screwing around on misc and get to it. its bench day
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
youre being the problem by over reacting like a bitch. in two months when this all blows over and everyone sees it really wasnt some doomsday plague il remind you i was right.


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always gotta be a dikhead dont you?

have you ever wondered why people say things like fuk farley?
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