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Thread: My aunt is dead. My uncle will likely die soon. #ItsJustAFlu bro.

post 1601635511 04-04-2020, 03:28 PM
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Sorry for your loss Nicholas
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Its a glorified cold, by your own admission both had massive health problems. Your anecdotes if they are even true prove nothing.
I think you missed the point where people with identical health issues in my family consistently lived 15 years longer than my uncle is now likely to live.


How the hell is 15 years nothing?
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post 1601635661 04-04-2020, 03:30 PM
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How do you suspect they contracted it, and why are you so sure your uncle will die?
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Originally Posted By NicholasMango⏩
I think you missed the point where people with identical health issues in my family consistently lived 15 years longer than my uncle is now likely to live.


How the hell is 15 years nothing?
It's hard for someone people who have never been loved to comprehend.

Sorry for your loss, OP. My condolences to you and your family.
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post 1601635911 04-04-2020, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted By blissful88⏩
I've already explained to you both in multiple threads as to why hospitals appear "empty". It's not a hoax nor is it "blown up".

Drop the tin foil hats.
Didn't kno youre an expert. Are u a doctor? U act like u know it all. Tell me more
post 1601635991 04-04-2020, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted By Frank
How do you suspect they contracted it?
I don't know. Could've been at Church, could've been one of the workers coming to take care of my aunt. Could've been the grocery store. Who knows at this point?
Originally Posted By MakeABanana⏩
It's hard for someone people who have never been loved to comprehend.

Sorry for your loss, OP. My condolences to you and your family.
Thanks brah
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Originally Posted By NicholasMango⏩
I think you missed the point where people with identical health issues in my family consistently lived 15 years longer than my uncle is now likely to live.


How the hell is 15 years nothing?
So your uncle is healthy as a horse for an 80 year old and you still think he'll be one of the 15% or so that die? Why?

Sorry to hear about your aunt.
post 1601636261 04-04-2020, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted By nikonD70s⏩
Didn't kno youre an expert. Are u a doctor? U act like u know it all. Tell me more
I'm a third generation hospital employee (nurse and respiratory therapist above me) hospitals are never empty. about 2/3 of beds are full at any given time. The lobbies and waiting rooms are empty because the hospitals aren't allowing people in unless they are already very ill, and those people are moved to beds immediately so you will not be able to see them.

idk what was said in other threads, but I am more than qualified to explain that one. Hopefully that clears it up.
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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
RIP

Sorry the medical industry has failed your family by being completely unprepared. I wouldn't put the blame on people for living their lives however. I don't think that's fair.
I think it has more to do with the flippant and nonchalant attitude many people have been expressing.

Sorry for your loss, op.
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Sorry for your loss OP.

Will you be able to have a service for your aunt? Or that’s not possible until travel restrictions are lifted?
They said she's gone too far this time

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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
One can live a long and happy life with underlying but manageable health issues

When 19 and 20 year olds dying because they have a perfectly manageable health condition it gets real, really fast. When perfectly healthy 30 somethings are dying the same. Ignoring those that pull through with lasting lung issues
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Originally Posted By 3basic5me⏩
juulcels.
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Lol at letting emotions get in the way of your perception of things. You say in your own post how they were already susceptible then use this as evidence as to how bad things are. I bet you think I should be kept by the police in my own house and not allowed to leave because of your emotionality right now too, don't you? Fukking *******.
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Originally Posted By Lazagna⏩
My Dad's dead too. Grandpa's on both sides. Uncle. Many others.


Unfortunately none had to do with COVID, turns out people just die. Weird right
Negged. This is a piece of chit response

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Originally Posted By ExPatriot⏩
OP sorry for your loss and just skip ignorant comments...

Hang in there!
Thanks
Originally Posted By MyGhettoFantasy⏩
I think it has more to do with the flippant and nonchalant attitude many people have been expressing.

Sorry for your loss, op.
Exactly. Thank you.
Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
One can live a long and happy life with underlying but manageable health issues

When 19 and 20 year olds are dying because they have a perfectly manageable health condition it gets real, really fast. When perfectly healthy 30 somethings are dying the same. Ignoring those that pull through with lasting lung issues
EXACTLY! since when do people not matter because they have diabetes or asthma?
Originally Posted By TrinnieBuu⏩
Sorry for your loss OP.

Will you be able to have a service for your aunt? Or that’s not possible until travel restrictions are lifted?
Religious services are excluded from the stay at home order in michigan (inexplicably.) I don't know what they will do. I will not be attending regardless because I refuse to participate in the spread.
Originally Posted By 3basic5me⏩
juulcels.
Don't be flippant about people's lives. I think juuls are retarded af. You wont catch me mocking people who die because of them.
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Originally Posted By Trillical⏩
Where tf people are getting these empty hospital bullchit from? Hospitals around the country are extremely packed right now. I am in Illinois right now and my neighbor is a nurse, even she told me first hand that it is EXTREMELY busy at the hospital right now. Both my parents have COVID-19 and my mom has diabetes so it is hitting her hard. My mom also works in the hospital on a floor that was filled with COVID-19 patients and she said many of the staff contracted it as well.
People go to areas accessible to the public such as the parking lot or the lobby. And then due to severe lack of knowledge they assume hospitals treat patients in these area... leading the misconception that hospitals are empty.

Similarly, due to privacy laws videos of packed ICUs cannot be recorded and just nonchalantly shared on the internet. People take this “lack of evidence” of dying patients to be the evidence that there is no patient.

I wish the US invested more in common sense based education.
They said she's gone too far this time

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Originally Posted By Mike199623⏩
How many nurses are in your family? There are 4 in mine. It’s not a conspiracy theory the virus is real. No one is saying that. But there are not bodies dropping on the streets
Originally Posted By NicholasMango⏩
Please don't correct people if you don't know what you are talking about either. Theres no high quality study saying whether Chloroquine works or not. Thats why it's currently being studied, and why it is currently available via compassionate use.


"Chloroquine is a clinically approved drug effective against malaria, and it is known to elicit antiviral effects against several viruses, including human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (23, 26, 28), hepatitis B virus (18), and herpes simplex virus type 1 (27). Savarino and colleagues hypothesized that chloroquine might be of some use for the clinical management of SARS (25)."
https://aac.asm.org/content/53/8/3416


I'm not saying it works, but it's too soon to say that it does not. Michigan Medicine has been using Chloroquine since their very first COVID-19 patient (I personally know a pharmacist student involved in that mans treatment)
Apparently you don't understand what a hypothesis is, there's zero evidence of proven results in a lab setting or I would've been informed of it by now.

Antimalarials treat parasitic infections, not viral.

Even if it did have an effect it would be almost immeasurably minuscule, like taking acetaminophen for bone infection pain.




Again there's already a shortage because it's not a commonly needed drug, but what the hell do I know I'm only a practitioner for a major hospital right now.
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Originally Posted By yewotm8⏩
Lol at letting emotions get in the way of your perception of things. You say in your own post how they were already susceptible then use this as evidence as to how bad things are. I bet you think I should be kept by the police in my own house and not allowed to leave because of your emotionality right now too, don't you? Fukking *******.
How are they any less important because they were susceptible? My uncle has very manageable conditions and would've easily lived another decade, probably more.

I don't think you shouldn't be allowed to leave either. I just don't think you should be leaving and interacting with other people if you don't have to. If you have a legitimate need, go take care of it. Just put a hold on the unnecessary gatherings until we get this under control. Why is that so unreasonable? I've been doing that for over a month. Why are you so special?
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Originally Posted By blissful88⏩
Apparently you don't understand what a hypothesis is, there's zero evidence of proven results in a lab setting or I would've been informed of it by now.

Antimalarials treat parasitic infections, not viral.

Even if it did have an effect it would be almost immeasurably minuscule, like taking acetaminophen for bone infection pain.




Again there's already a shortage because it's not a commonly needed drug, but what the hell do I know I'm only a practitioner for a major hospital right now.
Chloroquine is a zinc ionophore. Zinc is a known antiviral, and chloroquine allows zinc to be placed within your cells. It's been shown to be effective against SARS in vitro.
Does this mean it will work for SARS-COV-2 in humans? Nope. It does mean that itcould.

I understand fully what a hypothesis is, and I understand fully that there is no proof that chloroquine works for COVID-19. But the opposite has not been proven.

I don't understand what you are disagreeing with?
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Originally Posted By 3basic5me⏩
Emotions are what authoritarian liberals use to sneakily gain control. Srs.
This is true. And people will use this as an opportunity to try to seize power all around the world. That doesn't mean the virus isn't real or that it isn't dangerous.
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Originally Posted By TrinnieBuu⏩
People go to areas accessible to the public such as the parking lot or the lobby. And then due to severe lack of knowledge they assume hospitals treat patients in these area... leading the misconception that hospitals are empty.

Similarly, due to privacy laws videos of packed ICUs cannot be recorded and just nonchalantly shared on the internet. People take this “lack of evidence” of dying patients to be the evidence that there is no patient.

I wish the US invested more in common sense based education.
This. And you're not seeing patients dying in the lobby because EMS is transferring patients throughout hospitals to get proper treated when certain hospitals are already full.
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Originally Posted By NicholasMango⏩
Please don't correct people if you don't know what you are talking about either. Theres no high quality study saying whether Chloroquine works or not. Thats why it's currently being studied, and why it is currently available via compassionate use.


"Chloroquine is a clinically approved drug effective against malaria, and it is known to elicit antiviral effects against several viruses, including human immunodeficiency virus type 1 (23, 26, 28), hepatitis B virus (18), and herpes simplex virus type 1 (27). Savarino and colleagues hypothesized that chloroquine might be of some use for the clinical management of SARS (25)."
https://aac.asm.org/content/53/8/3416


I'm not saying it works, but it's too soon to say that it does not. Michigan Medicine has been using Chloroquine since their very first COVID-19 patient (I personally know a pharmacist student involved in that mans treatment)
I think the internet hyping up Chloroquine is premature and potentially dangerous. Dangerous in the sense that I’m sure there are young and uninformed/misinformed people out there letting loose on social contacts because they think they can just ask for a script and it will all be ok.

The only two studies to date done on this are both flawed. When I say studies I’m not talking about articles of doctors swearing it’s effective. Fortunately that’s not how you demonstrate a drugs effectiveness and safety. The primary study that got all this started is the French study where the author touted that it is 100% effective in curing his 42 subjects. It was 26 that were administered the drug, not 42. And of those 26, he only included 20 for the final results, excluding 6 because they did not finish the treatment, regardless of the reason they stopped treatment. Three people stopped because they became critical and were transferred. One stopped when he died. That’s irresponsible of a researcher to publish misleading information knowing this.

Also in the 20 patients it reduced the duration of “sickness” to 6 days. A Japanese antiviral (yes actually meant for viruses) Avigan reduced viral shedding to 4 days. You basically don’t hear about it in the news or from anyone.
Originally Posted By NicholasMango⏩
Thanks

Exactly. Thank you.

EXACTLY! since when do people not matter because they have diabetes or asthma?


Religious services are excluded from the stay at home order in michigan (inexplicably.) I don't know what they will do. I will not be attending regardless because I refuse to participate in the spread.



Don't be flippant about people's lives. I think juuls are retarded af. You wont catch me mocking people who die because of them.
I’m sorry you will not be able to attend her funeral if they have one.
Originally Posted By Mike199623⏩
Right so hipaa laws only apply when it fits your narrative interesting
What is my narrative and how did I cite HIPAA to fit that narrative?
They said she's gone too far this time

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Originally Posted By TrinnieBuu⏩
I think the internet hyping up Chloroquine is premature and potentially dangerous. Dangerous in the sense that I’m sure there are young and uninformed/misinformed people out there letting loose on social contacts because they think they can just ask for a script and it will all be ok.

The only two studies to date done on this are both flawed. When I say studies I’m not talking about articles of doctors swearing it’s effective. Fortunately that’s not how you demonstrate a drugs effectiveness and safety. The primary study that got all this started is the French study where the author touted that it is 100% effective in curing his 42 subjects. It was 26 that were administered the drug, not 42. And of those 26, he only included 20 for the final results, excluding 6 because they did not finish the treatment, regardless of the reason they stopped treatment. Three people stopped because they became critical and were transferred. One stopped when he died. That’s irresponsible of a researcher to publish misleading information knowing this.

Also in the 20 patients it reduced the duration of “sickness” to 6 days. A Japanese antiviral (yes actually meant for viruses) Avigan reduced viral shedding to 4 days. You basically don’t hear about it in the news or from anyone.



I’m sorry you will not be able to attend her funeral if they have one.



What is my narrative and how did I cite HIPAA to fit that narrative?
You'll note that I never claimed that it worked. I said there has been no high quality study confirming or denying its effectiveness, and that it has shown some promise in vitro with similar viruses.
High quality studies are being done as we speak so we will know more soon.
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@ Nick sorry about my previous post. i was skimming the misc as i always do and figured based off title this was yet another paniccel thread. it appears it is not, and i was an ass. if this were someone close to me i wouldn't know what to do.
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Originally Posted By NicholasMango⏩
Chloroquine is a zinc ionophore. Zinc is a known antiviral, and chloroquine allows zinc to be placed within your cells. It's been shown to be effective against SARS in vitro.
Does this mean it will work for SARS-COV-2 in humans? Nope. It does mean that itcould.

I understand fully what a hypothesis is, and I understand fully that there is no proof that chloroquine works for COVID-19. But the opposite has not been proven.

I don't understand what you are disagreeing with?
I'm disagreeing with the use of it entirely for treatment of Covid for reasons already stated.

We do not administer drugs on a chance, Azithromycin and Plaquenil interaction often causes severe arrhythmia on top of the present respiratory issues, leading to arrest.
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Originally Posted By blissful88⏩
I'm disagreeing with the use of it entirely for treatment of Covid.

We do not administer drugs on a chance, Azithromycin and Plaquenil often causes severe arrhythmia on top of the present respiratory issues, leading to arrest.
We administer drugs on a chance all the time through compassionate use and Right to Try.
It still requires a prescription so in theory people's physicians will be taking their medical history into account before prescribing it.


I also know that many physicians are prescribing it (often to themselves) as a prophylactic and I do take issue with that. People using it for diseases it has proven efficacy for should have first priority imo.
Originally Posted By Lazagna⏩
@ Nick sorry about my previous post. i was skimming the misc as i always do and figured based off title this was yet another paniccel thread. it appears it is not, and i was an ass. if this were someone close to me i wouldn't know what to do.
Don't worry about it.


btw want to have a contest to see who can make a better version of a meal (srs)

we can make a thread and have misc judge. Seems like it'd be fun to have some non COVID threads
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Originally Posted By Lazagna⏩
My Dad's dead too. Grandpa's on both sides. Uncle. Many others.


Unfortunately none had to do with COVID, turns out people just die. Weird right
Go phuck yourself
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Go phuck yourself
I mean, he is a point. My uncle died of a massive heart attack at 44 a few weeks ago, don’t hear people harping on about cholesterol on the daily. The frenzy over this virus is absurd.
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Originally Posted By NicholasMango⏩
We administer drugs on a chance all the time through compassionate use and Right to Try.
It still requires a prescription so in theory people's physicians will be taking their medical history into account before prescribing it.


I also know that many physicians are prescribing it (often to themselves) as a prophylactic and I do take issue with that. People using it for diseases it has proven efficacy for should have first priority imo.




Don't worry about it.


btw want to have a contest to see who can make a better version of a meal (srs)

we can make a thread and have misc judge. Seems like it'd be fun to have some non COVID threads
ha maybe. i'm broke man now trying to budget hard (as if i werent before...). I have a lot of chicken breats, some tortillas and various kinds of bans and rice on hand...hmm what else. prob not much more than that. i can pick up more but ya you know the deal
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Originally Posted By Yoopwat⏩
I mean, he is a point. My uncle died of a massive heart attack at 44 a few weeks ago, don’t hear people harping on about cholesterol on the daily. The frenzy over this virus is absurd.
Maybe it's because multiple people aren't currently packed in ICUs around the world with heart disease.
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