Was just driving by to check out the state of this thread.
I see many are still on the doom wagon.

#openourcountryup
#stoptheshutdowns
#trump2020

K peace out, bye.

yeah cause thats how you stop the spread of a highly contagious virus.

jesus christ,no wonder why the united states have the highest number of infectees ..... cause youre fukcing dumb

I have a high end dual cartridge mask thats got a 100 rating and removes paint ,aerosols etc, but it’s only rated at .3 micron , whereas the covid 19 virus is 120 nanometers .
A nanometer is 1000 times smaller than a micron , so not good news for the masks we have access to .

I can see where wearing masks may help a percentage if someone is coughing into one though , as the spray wouldn’t go as far .
Watching the news and this is looking gloomy as hell ,but I knew things weren’t getting back to normal anytime soon .
Let’s get that vaccine figured out ASAP

We do need to open things up.

But it needs to be done locally and slowly and carefully in stages. Does NYC need to open anything up this weekend? Likely not. Should it be illegal in rural Michigan to go to the nursery and buy mulch for your garden? Hell no!

The longer we go with a super hardcore lockdown, it not only hurts more in the immediate, but also, the more prone we will be to open too much up at once when we do.

This isn't a binary thing and shouldn't be treated like an on or off button. And the nation varies greatly across it in tons of ways so there is no one size fits all. The BIGGEST denominator that should be making a decision is each individual state. Though really, counties (and big cities) should be doing their own thing, within (wide) margins set by the governors, based on non binding guidance that comes from the feds/cdc

And May 1 should be thelatestdate we consider forsomeof the country opening upsome things. With precautions on distancing, gloves, hand sanitizing, face coverings if we want to go that route, but, there's too much shut down right now to keep going much longer across the board like this.

It was to flatten the curve. It's already been a month. Already, a full month behind us.

We don't need full capacity dine in restaurants yet. Or full capacity movie theaters. Or amusement parks. Or crowds of spectators at sportsball.

But we need to be able to go to Best Buy, to Home Depot, to Lowes, Walmart to buy coloring books (WTF that this is a thing that isn't allowed some places?!?!), etc...keep your distance, don't touch stuff you don't have to, wear PPE, use self checkout or put your stuff up then step back they ring you up, hell open movie theaters and do every third set kind of staggered spacing like they do at the press conferences and wipe everything down in between showings.

We do need to open things up.

But it needs to be done locally and slowly and carefully in stages. Does NYC need to open anything up this weekend? Likely not. Should it be illegal in rural Michigan to go to the nursery and buy mulch for your garden? Hell no!

The longer we go with a super hardcore lockdown, it not only hurts more in the immediate, but also, the more prone we will be to open too much up at once when we do.

This isn't a binary thing and shouldn't be treated like an on or off button. And the nation varies greatly across it in tons of ways so there is no one size fits all. The BIGGEST denominator that should be making a decision is each individual state. Though really, counties (and big cities) should be doing their own thing, within (wide) margins set by the governors, based on non binding guidance that comes from the feds/cdc

And May 1 should be thelatestdate we consider forsomeof the country opening upsome things. With precautions on distancing, gloves, hand sanitizing, face coverings if we want to go that route, but, there's too much shut down right now to keep going much longer across the board like this.

It was to flatten the curve. It's already been a month. Already, a full month behind us.

We don't need full capacity dine in restaurants yet. Or full capacity movie theaters. Or amusement parks. Or crowds of spectators at sportsball.

But we need to be able to go to Best Buy, to Home Depot, to Lowes, Walmart to buy coloring books (WTF that this is a thing that isn't allowed some places?!?!), etc...keep your distance, don't touch stuff you don't have to, wear PPE if you have it, etc

I like how everyone keep using the same idioms...flatten the curve,raise the line,stop the lockdown,open up...

So they open the country "gradually" and??? Doesnt matter if the entire country becomes corona free....it takes one infected person in an airport/on a plane and all hell breaks loose all over again...then what?start all over?

We do need to open things up.

But it needs to be done locally and slowly and carefully in stages. Does NYC need to open anything up this weekend? Likely not. Should it be illegal in rural Michigan to go to the nursery and buy mulch for your garden? Hell no!

The longer we go with a super hardcore lockdown, it not only hurts more in the immediate, but also, the more prone we will be to open too much up at once when we do.

This isn't a binary thing and shouldn't be treated like an on or off button. And the nation varies greatly across it in tons of ways so there is no one size fits all. The BIGGEST denominator that should be making a decision is each individual state. Though really, counties (and big cities) should be doing their own thing, within (wide) margins set by the governors, based on non binding guidance that comes from the feds/cdc

And May 1 should be thelatestdate we consider forsomeof the country opening upsome things. With precautions on distancing, gloves, hand sanitizing, face coverings if we want to go that route, but, there's too much shut down right now to keep going much longer across the board like this.

It was to flatten the curve. It's already been a month. Already, a full month behind us.

We don't need full capacity dine in restaurants yet. Or full capacity movie theaters. Or amusement parks. Or crowds of spectators at sportsball.

...we are already at "it takes one infected person to ___" that's why 2,500 lab-confirmed people are dying in a single day. We aren't welding people into their houses and there are essential services etc so it's out there and spreading and it always was and was always going to be.It's simply a matter of scale

You do it gradually to avoid the obviously high risk activities (which might stay avoided for a very long time).

You do it gradually to judge just exactly what the impact is of the changes you make. The more you change at a time, the bigger the impact might be (duh) and the harder it is to ascertain precisely what change resulted in what effect. It's no different than not changing your workout routine and exercises and diet and sleep schedule all at once.

Itshouldbe clear we can't tell everybody "non essential" to stay home indefinitely (12 months, 18 months, 24 months? longer? While we wait for a vaccine) because society and economies as we know it would cease to exist. It's also clear that if we are going to hit to herd immunity before a vaccine, people are going to get infected, lots of them, so best we can do is space it out to...wait for it...flatten the curve and avoid overruning hospitals. What's a good method of avoiding too many sick at once? Don't put your foot to the floor and go WOT all at once on some magical date

This. Keep hospitals running light with not allowing non-essential surgery and let's get the k-8 kids back in elementary school so parents can work. Obv NOT in every city, but to treat phoenix/LA/Albuquerque the same as NY/Detroit is just plain retarded....

We do need to open things up.

But it needs to be done locally and slowly and carefully in stages. Does NYC need to open anything up this weekend? Likely not. Should it be illegal in rural Michigan to go to the nursery and buy mulch for your garden? Hell no!

The longer we go with a super hardcore lockdown, it not only hurts more in the immediate, but also, the more prone we will be to open too much up at once when we do.

This isn't a binary thing and shouldn't be treated like an on or off button. And the nation varies greatly across it in tons of ways so there is no one size fits all. The BIGGEST denominator that should be making a decision is each individual state. Though really, counties (and big cities) should be doing their own thing, within (wide) margins set by the governors, based on non binding guidance that comes from the feds/cdc

And May 1 should be thelatestdate we consider forsomeof the country opening upsome things. With precautions on distancing, gloves, hand sanitizing, face coverings if we want to go that route, but, there's too much shut down right now to keep going much longer across the board like this.

It was to flatten the curve. It's already been a month. Already, a full month behind us.

We don't need full capacity dine in restaurants yet. Or full capacity movie theaters. Or amusement parks. Or crowds of spectators at sportsball.

But we need to be able to go to Best Buy, to Home Depot, to Lowes, Walmart to buy coloring books (WTF that this is a thing that isn't allowed some places?!?!), etc...keep your distance, don't touch stuff you don't have to, wear PPE if you have it, etc

Societies and economy would ceaze to exist???....mhm..please elaborate on how will global economy seize to exist if everything goes on a full lock down for 6 month..or even 18 month.... please explain ..enlighten us

I agree with all this. All of it bud. Lets get it going, ****. The mental health is a serious thing. I was in great mental health 4 weeks ago. Maybe it speaks about my personality but I seriously am losing it a couple of times a day. Hell I went to the store for gas at 2pm today to do huge shopping tomorrow early and this girl cut in front of me because I was practicing 6 feet and I lost my shiet on her. Not something I would ever do before, I would let it go.

I can tell my wife is definitely taking a beating mentally. She's been home with our 3 kids every day for a month now. No leaving the house at all unless it's for curb side grocery pickup or walk around the block. She HAS to get out and do something soon. I've been lucky that I can still go to work every day and interact with other people.

Anyone who thinks these shut downs are feasible for extended periods of time is dead wrong for so many reasons.
We HAVE to get things back open - and for more reasons than just the sake of our economy.

Our modern society and economy as we know it would cease to exist if we kept stay at home lockdown orders until we got a vaccine. That is self explanatory. If you don't believe it then don't believe it IDGAF

I can tell my wife is definitely taking a beating mentally. She's been home with our 3 kids every day for a month now. No leaving the house at all unless it's for curb side grocery pickup or walk around the block. She HAS to get out and do something soon. I've been lucky that I can still go to work every day and interact with other people.

Anyone who thinks these shut downs are feasible for extended periods of time is dead wrong for so many reasons.
We HAVE to get things back open - and for more reasons than just the sake of our economy.

what is with the media’s agenda now of doomsday scenarios? everyday a new article of “social distancing may be necessary until 2053”. I get it it’s the media but numbers don’t lie. unless I’m missing something.

case are dropping now. deaths may be rising but that’s not exactly an indicator of the virus spreading. i

and what happens if you send everyone back out there without adequate testing?

boom, virus spreads like wild fire again,

then back to lock down

what is with the media’s agenda now of doomsday scenarios? everyday a new article of “social distancing may be necessary until 2053”. I get it it’s the media but numbers don’t lie. unless I’m missing something.

case are dropping now. deaths may be rising but that’s not exactly an indicator of the virus spreading. i

and what happens if you send everyone back out there without adequate testing?

boom, virus spreads like wild fire again,

then back to lock down

2053 ..really?? Didnt read or hear it anywhere. Link??

And numbers are dropping cause evryone is staying home....the moment they start going out youll start seeing numbers rising

Feels like theirs an ideal middle point we are not hitting on the curve, that we need to hit. We may have lowered infections, but look at the economy. Jesus Christ. It's like bragging you get the best gas mileage of anybody you know, turns out it's because you drive 40 mph on the freeway. That's not ideal. We could lower traffic fatalities if speed limits across the board were reduced 10 mph. Drunk driving deaths can be *eliminated* if we equipped each and every car with an ignition interlock. But we don't do these things. It's a trade-off were willing to make sacrificing some for the benefit of all. I think we're on the downslope for new cases already, and on our way to hitting total peak cases, but it's definitely something we should be thinking about next time with super flu or whatever. Unfortunately this requires a great deal of foresight and quick reaction, maybe come up with models of various R0 values and how high the curve should be limited to. Factor in mortality rates, who's vulnerable etc, to have a working model for many scenarios. Ebola=total fukking lockdown, board up the houses and pray that chit away. Slightly deadlier/contagious flu=vulnerable people stay home, everyone else be careful.