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Corona vaccine is mandatory (Denmark, law, police enforced)
04-26-2020, 04:26 AM
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If it has been through long term trials then sure.
Short term you must be joking. So basically this will take 50 years anyway once people realize that long term effects cant effectively be tested for within the short term.
Short term you must be joking. So basically this will take 50 years anyway once people realize that long term effects cant effectively be tested for within the short term.
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04-26-2020, 04:29 AM
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Makes perfect sense.
Broke, overly indulgent nation front-manning the deceptive campaign of this multi-national inside job terrorist attack vaccine scheme.
It hasn't actually gone anywhere for us yet. As Americans, we can still block this so that the scheme doesn't persist (or at least fails to thrive here). Something to look forward too. Very poor strategy on the part of Denmark as it forces them to reveal their position. There are conditions of which this is absolutely essential, but to essentially do something as "make a quick buck", das not it mane. Not severe enough—nor on the level of imminence to warrant this. Gotta love the illusory shield of sovereignty, and it's 'The Emperor's New Wardrobe' effect that it timeless has on corruptees.
Thankfully, there is no need for a faulty, subjective vaccine when Colostrum has been proven 3x more effective than vaccines (with absolutely unfailing potency).
Broke, overly indulgent nation front-manning the deceptive campaign of this multi-national inside job terrorist attack vaccine scheme.
It hasn't actually gone anywhere for us yet. As Americans, we can still block this so that the scheme doesn't persist (or at least fails to thrive here). Something to look forward too. Very poor strategy on the part of Denmark as it forces them to reveal their position. There are conditions of which this is absolutely essential, but to essentially do something as "make a quick buck", das not it mane. Not severe enough—nor on the level of imminence to warrant this. Gotta love the illusory shield of sovereignty, and it's 'The Emperor's New Wardrobe' effect that it timeless has on corruptees.
Thankfully, there is no need for a faulty, subjective vaccine when Colostrum has been proven 3x more effective than vaccines (with absolutely unfailing potency).
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04-26-2020, 04:29 AM
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Can one of the geniuses who want to make the vaccine mandatory explain why they want to force other people to take the vaccine too? As long as you and your family/friends take it they should be safe from this plague right?
04-26-2020, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted By CHARBACK⏩
Jesus, some of you donuts really are dense as fuk.Can one of the geniuses who want to make the vaccine mandatory explain why they want to force other people to take the vaccine too? As long as you and your family/friends take it they should be safe from this plague right?
- herd immunity
- protect the vulnerable (young, old, immunodeficient etc.)
- avoid further outbreaks
04-26-2020, 05:24 AM
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I'm not taking any vaccine unless it's been tested on people for at least 2 years. People researching one probably care a lot about getting credit for being the first and I'm not going to jump on whatever is being rushed out when there's no data on potential long term sides.
04-26-2020, 05:28 AM
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You guys just gonna ignore this post?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335060/
There are plans right now to manufacture several of the most viable candidates right now while they undergo studies and when they settle on "the one" to give everyone shot gunning this through legislatures isn't a far off possibility. We might *really* be having this discussion in 12-18 months...
Originally Posted By Brosnbroccoli⏩
Also, I'm kinda dismayed that there are so many ready to subject others to an unproven vaccine. I'm pro-vax myself, but there are very real risks to consider. The conclusion on a 2012 SARS vaccine (yes....still working on it!):I’m Danish and in law school. This is all media fear mongering.
There’s dozens of laws where you could say they allow for X, Y, Z without being completely wrong, same as this, but it is still wrong none the less.
We recently got a new law regarding payed holidays, and people have been talking A LOT about that, the media included... it’s a way bigger deal in the media than this, and yet the media is unable to explain that law. The media is also propping up laws regarding rape and consent, as if it will be better, lead to more convictions etc., even though 95% of the legal community is against it. In other words, the media - as usual - don’t know what they’re talking about.
Besides, even then, there’s a difference between a law saying “corona vaccine is mandatory” and a law that supposedly might allow the authorities to force vaccinate.
The law was set forth to allow local authorities to act quickly at the start of the virus when almost nothing was known, and a new Italy situation was the scenario we were trying to avoid. It was to allow local authorities without pre-authorisation to force infected people into quarantine, if they didn’t do it themselves. As Danish minister said something like this: if for instance an infected person tells the doctors “no, I won’t stay home” and he then goes around purposely coughing on people, then that person could be forvefully quarantine.
The reason the law was so broadly worded was to ensure that unforseen events could be dealt with quickly by local authorities - like I said, it was hard to predict how things would go, and the worst was feared given the situation in Italy. This is also the reason the law was expedited in parliament. Vaccination has nothing to do with this law.
The law was expedited and put in work the 3rd of March, and has been used a total of ZERO times since then.
I will take a permanent ban bet with anyone regarding this. I know it’ll be a long bet, but if anyone wants to take the opposite position I’m all for it. The corona vaccine will absolutely not be mandatory in Denmark.
There’s dozens of laws where you could say they allow for X, Y, Z without being completely wrong, same as this, but it is still wrong none the less.
We recently got a new law regarding payed holidays, and people have been talking A LOT about that, the media included... it’s a way bigger deal in the media than this, and yet the media is unable to explain that law. The media is also propping up laws regarding rape and consent, as if it will be better, lead to more convictions etc., even though 95% of the legal community is against it. In other words, the media - as usual - don’t know what they’re talking about.
Besides, even then, there’s a difference between a law saying “corona vaccine is mandatory” and a law that supposedly might allow the authorities to force vaccinate.
The law was set forth to allow local authorities to act quickly at the start of the virus when almost nothing was known, and a new Italy situation was the scenario we were trying to avoid. It was to allow local authorities without pre-authorisation to force infected people into quarantine, if they didn’t do it themselves. As Danish minister said something like this: if for instance an infected person tells the doctors “no, I won’t stay home” and he then goes around purposely coughing on people, then that person could be forvefully quarantine.
The reason the law was so broadly worded was to ensure that unforseen events could be dealt with quickly by local authorities - like I said, it was hard to predict how things would go, and the worst was feared given the situation in Italy. This is also the reason the law was expedited in parliament. Vaccination has nothing to do with this law.
The law was expedited and put in work the 3rd of March, and has been used a total of ZERO times since then.
I will take a permanent ban bet with anyone regarding this. I know it’ll be a long bet, but if anyone wants to take the opposite position I’m all for it. The corona vaccine will absolutely not be mandatory in Denmark.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335060/
Conclusions
These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.
Now, rushing into this, we don't have the ability to fine tune this. What if we find out that a certain group of people are put at risk by taking the vaccine? It could be so small that nobody even notices during the trial, like .1% That's huge however, enormous when talking about force feeding a vaccine into billions of people. For a disease that looks to be 99.9% survivable.These SARS-CoV vaccines all induced antibody and protection against infection with SARS-CoV. However, challenge of mice given any of the vaccines led to occurrence of Th2-type immunopathology suggesting hypersensitivity to SARS-CoV components was induced. Caution in proceeding to application of a SARS-CoV vaccine in humans is indicated.
There are plans right now to manufacture several of the most viable candidates right now while they undergo studies and when they settle on "the one" to give everyone shot gunning this through legislatures isn't a far off possibility. We might *really* be having this discussion in 12-18 months...
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04-26-2020, 05:35 AM
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04-26-2020, 05:57 AM
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will not be taking any corona vaccine... fk that
and I wouldn’t even call myself anti-vaccine, but like I saw a few others in here say.... I’ve never taken the flu shot and I’ve never had the flu either. And I’ve heard multiple stories of people never having had the flu either and only caught itafterthey took the flu shot for the first time..... you can’t tell me that chit is all just a big coincidence
and I wouldn’t even call myself anti-vaccine, but like I saw a few others in here say.... I’ve never taken the flu shot and I’ve never had the flu either. And I’ve heard multiple stories of people never having had the flu either and only caught itafterthey took the flu shot for the first time..... you can’t tell me that chit is all just a big coincidence
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04-26-2020, 06:04 AM
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04-26-2020, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
The problem is where is the line decided, how, and by who?Vaccines should be compulsory. Vaccine cost should also be regulated.
We are talking about forceful injections into the pinnacle of property rights (the self).
Do yearly flu shots fall into your policy? Something 25% effective, should I receive forced yearly injections from age 1 til 99? Ive had the flu once in 32 years and it was February this year and I was fine.
Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
People in this thread aren't anti vaxxers (which has basically become a slur in 2020), the issue is efficacy of this flu shot, whether or not it will be mandatory for the population, and the risk of the virus.I see that the autistic antivaxxer NEETs got it all figured out. "B-b-but mandatory vaccination bad, d-d-die standing."
Meanwhile countries with mandatory BCG vaccination have lower infection/mortality rates.
Keep "fighting the good fight".
Meanwhile countries with mandatory BCG vaccination have lower infection/mortality rates.
Keep "fighting the good fight".
If this was a polio outbreak and I didn't have a vaccine I'd be second in line behind my grandma to get a vaccine.
For something I have a 99.8% chance of surviving, probably closer to 99.9%? No, I'll pass. Thanks. Now forcing me to take this by law or barring me from society? That's a different discussion. That's the discussion going on in here.
04-26-2020, 09:12 AM
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The real problem we have is some people put their trust in authority while others put trust in themselves and every year these groups grow more divided
Taken to it's extreme the first group will end up living as a superorganism locked in a cramped high rise apartment being fed a ration of plant-based slop, working 16 hours a day by training AI deep learning algorithms how humans think
The second group will end up on a farm raising cattle in the countryside until the first group moves in with advanced military technology and wipes them out
Unless we can compromise it's not looking good boys
Taken to it's extreme the first group will end up living as a superorganism locked in a cramped high rise apartment being fed a ration of plant-based slop, working 16 hours a day by training AI deep learning algorithms how humans think
The second group will end up on a farm raising cattle in the countryside until the first group moves in with advanced military technology and wipes them out
Unless we can compromise it's not looking good boys
04-26-2020, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
It's simple really, don't like society, don't participate in it. But you also don't get all the perks, so if you don't want to be vaccinated, move back to Russia. What's the life expectancy in Russia? In Estonia, more people 65 or over per 100,000 die from the Flu than in Australia, because 73% of Australians vaccinate against the flu, while only 3% of Estonians do. Vaccines are not perfect, but many times they're better than the alternative.Which vaccines? There are 120 recommended ones. What happens to those who refuse to comply no matter what? Kill them? Throw them in the cage? What if they refuse to be thrown into a cage? Do you not see that you are insane? You related to Stalin by any chance?
Originally Posted By arod204⏩
It's not just about you. It's about society as a whole. I've had the flu, and it was an annoyance and nothing more, but I interact with children and the elderly almost every day. This is the issue with younger people today, it's all about them, not about the country as a whole. By the way, 25% is a huge number, if you were likely to die 25% of the time you got in a car I bet you wouldn't be getting in a car ever again. Also, it's approximately 67% effective, not 25%.The problem is where is the line decided, how, and by who?
We are talking about forceful injections into the pinnacle of property rights (the self).
Do yearly flu shots fall into your policy? Something 25% effective, should I receive forced yearly injections from age 1 til 99? Ive had the flu once in 32 years and it was February this year and I was fine.
We are talking about forceful injections into the pinnacle of property rights (the self).
Do yearly flu shots fall into your policy? Something 25% effective, should I receive forced yearly injections from age 1 til 99? Ive had the flu once in 32 years and it was February this year and I was fine.
A 2012 meta-analysis found that flu vaccination was effective 67 percent of the time; the populations that benefited the most were HIV-positive adults aged 18 to 55 (76 percent), healthy adults aged 18 to 46 (approximately 70 percent), and healthy children aged six to 24 months (66 percent).[23] The influenza vaccine also appear to protect against myocardial infarction with a benefit of 15 to 45%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccineWhen it comes your time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so that when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song and die like a hero going home.
04-26-2020, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Should vaccines be mandatory and should those who refuse the vaccine be thrown in prison, and killed if they refuse to go to prison? yes or no?It's simple really, don't like society, don't participate in it. But you also don't get all the perks, so if you don't want to be vaccinated, move back to Russia. What's the life expectancy in Russia? In Estonia, more people 65 or over per 100,000 die from the Flu than in Australia, because 73% of Australians vaccinate against the flu, while only 3% of Estonians do. Vaccines are not perfect, but many times they're better than the alternative.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
You literally sound like a pussy...It's simple really, don't like society, don't participate in it. But you also don't get all the perks, so if you don't want to be vaccinated, move back to Russia. What's the life expectancy in Russia? In Estonia, more people 65 or over per 100,000 die from the Flu than in Australia, because 73% of Australians vaccinate against the flu, while only 3% of Estonians do. Vaccines are not perfect, but many times they're better than the alternative.
It's not just about you. It's about society as a whole. I've had the flu, and it was an annoyance and nothing more, but I interact with children and the elderly almost every day. This is the issue with younger people today, it's all about them, not about the country as a whole. By the way, 25% is a huge number, if you were likely to die 25% of the time you got in a car I bet you wouldn't be getting in a car ever again. Also, it's approximately 67% effective, not 25%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine
It's not just about you. It's about society as a whole. I've had the flu, and it was an annoyance and nothing more, but I interact with children and the elderly almost every day. This is the issue with younger people today, it's all about them, not about the country as a whole. By the way, 25% is a huge number, if you were likely to die 25% of the time you got in a car I bet you wouldn't be getting in a car ever again. Also, it's approximately 67% effective, not 25%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine
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04-26-2020, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
I wish they could vaccinate against stupididity, but to answer your question though no, you can't force adults to take a vaccine if they don't want to. However, I do feel like it's a form of child neglect when parents refuse to give their give their kids the minimal recommended vaccines i.e. things like MMR, Tetanus, Polio, Hep A/B etc.Should vaccines be mandatory and should those who refuse the vaccine be thrown in prison, and killed if they refuse to go to prison? yes or no?
Originally Posted By gmenfan40⏩
You literally sound like a pussy...
You're screaming that you're a beta male and have a testosterone deficiency.
You're screaming that you're a beta male and have a testosterone deficiency.
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04-26-2020, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
When you make a comparison between the flu and a "25% chance of DEATH when driving a car" your argument falls flat.It's simple really, don't like society, don't participate in it. But you also don't get all the perks, so if you don't want to be vaccinated, move back to Russia. What's the life expectancy in Russia? In Estonia, more people 65 or over per 100,000 die from the Flu than in Australia, because 73% of Australians vaccinate against the flu, while only 3% of Estonians do. Vaccines are not perfect, but many times they're better than the alternative.
By the way, 25% is a huge number, if you were likely to die 25% of the time you got in a car I bet you wouldn't be getting in a car ever again. Also, it's approximately 67% effective, not 25%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine
By the way, 25% is a huge number, if you were likely to die 25% of the time you got in a car I bet you wouldn't be getting in a car ever again. Also, it's approximately 67% effective, not 25%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine
You fail to take in that:
-Flu is dangerous to a very small and frail subset of the population
-The mortality rate doesn't even begin to come CLOSE to 25% for the subset effected by the flu
-The chance of that subset even GETTING the flu is likely less than the 25% you compared it to
And I'm certainly not going to give any credence to a wikipedia page with a single paragraph that is citing the WHO. The same WHO that said in January that Covid wasn't spreading from person to person literally the week before the CCP locked down a city of 8 million due to person to person spread. The same WHO which didn't believe this was a pandemic despite 9 OECD countries CDC's labeling it a pandemic.
Also the fact that you believe there is a strong link between life expectancy in societies based on vaccination policy is laughable. Given that the BIGGEST cause of death for elderly people is heart disease, and that the flu is lumped in with pneumonia at #8 (don't even want to get into the actual percentages of death) is pretty telling of the way you read data, cause, and effect. I am very thankful someone like you does the grunt work of society, and not the policy work.Anyways, get your injection, just don't mandate me to get one for something that is of such a low RISK (0.1% fatality rate) to my health.
04-26-2020, 10:12 AM
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What happened to "my body, my choice"?
You got to be outside your damn mind to trust the media and the government these days. Completely bought and paid for. Too much lying, disinformation going on to even know anything. I think I will take a hard pass on this one.
You got to be outside your damn mind to trust the media and the government these days. Completely bought and paid for. Too much lying, disinformation going on to even know anything. I think I will take a hard pass on this one.
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04-26-2020, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Do you think I’m talking about it being used to vaccinate people? Lmaoooo. I’m clearly talking about how it hasn’t been used for it’s intended purpose.The fact that this can be seen as anything resembling an argument pretty much invalidates the rest of the post.
The law been used zero times for it’s intended purpose (which was explained in my earlier post), and if the law hasn’t even been used for it’s intended purpose it is much less likely that the government will start out by using it beyond it’s intended purpose, especially since there’s no way they can forcefully vaccinate within the boundaries of the current law.
If vaccines are to be mandatory they will 100% make a new law, because this one doesn’t allow that. Like I said, I’ll take a ban bet with anyone regarding this.
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Originally Posted By kusok⏩
Yes and no. Again, if you don't like how things are in the US, then you can leave. You can have all the freedom in the world until it starts negatively affecting someone else.Should vaccines be mandatory and should those who refuse the vaccine be thrown in prison, and killed if they refuse to go to prison? yes or no?
Read up and educate yourself.
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Originally Posted By gmenfan40⏩
The opinion of a non-avi ******* is inconsequential. Try again after one of your fathers buys you a webcam or something.You literally sound like a pussy...
You're screaming that you're a beta male and have a testosterone deficiency.
You're screaming that you're a beta male and have a testosterone deficiency.
Originally Posted By arod204⏩
Keep trying to sound smart buddy. I bet the movie Goodwill Hunting was made about you. Smartest janitor in the misc.When you make a comparison between the flu and a "25% chance of DEATH when driving a car" your argument falls flat.
You fail to take in that:
-Flu is dangerous to a very small and frail subset of the population
-The mortality rate doesn't even begin to come CLOSE to 25% for the subset effected by the flu
-The chance of that subset even GETTING the flu is likely less than the 25% you compared it to
And I'm certainly not going to give any credence to a wikipedia page with a single paragraph that is citing the WHO. The same WHO that said in January that Covid wasn't spreading from person to person literally the week before the CCP locked down a city of 8 million due to person to person spread. The same WHO which didn't believe this was a pandemic despite 9 OECD countries CDC's labeling it a pandemic.
Also the fact that you believe there is a strong link between life expectancy in societies based on vaccination policy is laughable.Given that the BIGGEST cause of death for elderly people is heart disease, and that the flu is lumped in with pneumonia at #8 (don't even want to get into the actual percentages of death) is pretty telling of the way you read data, cause, and effect. I am very thankful someone like you does the grunt work of society, and not the policy work.Anyways, get your injection, just don't mandate me to get one for something that is of such a low RISK (0.1% fatality rate) to my health.
You fail to take in that:
-Flu is dangerous to a very small and frail subset of the population
-The mortality rate doesn't even begin to come CLOSE to 25% for the subset effected by the flu
-The chance of that subset even GETTING the flu is likely less than the 25% you compared it to
And I'm certainly not going to give any credence to a wikipedia page with a single paragraph that is citing the WHO. The same WHO that said in January that Covid wasn't spreading from person to person literally the week before the CCP locked down a city of 8 million due to person to person spread. The same WHO which didn't believe this was a pandemic despite 9 OECD countries CDC's labeling it a pandemic.
Also the fact that you believe there is a strong link between life expectancy in societies based on vaccination policy is laughable.Given that the BIGGEST cause of death for elderly people is heart disease, and that the flu is lumped in with pneumonia at #8 (don't even want to get into the actual percentages of death) is pretty telling of the way you read data, cause, and effect. I am very thankful someone like you does the grunt work of society, and not the policy work.Anyways, get your injection, just don't mandate me to get one for something that is of such a low RISK (0.1% fatality rate) to my health.
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Originally Posted By Legz422⏩
Thread/I am not full on anti vax, but I don't get flu vaccines and I don't want to be force to get a brand new vax that no one knows what the side effects may end up being down the road.
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
I know you can't say with a straight force that you want law-mandated vaccination because you're worried about the vulnerable population. People don't even stop to help grandma change a flat tire lolJesus, some of you donuts really are dense as fuk.
- herd immunity
- protect the vulnerable (young, old, immunodeficient etc.)
- avoid further outbreaks
- herd immunity
- protect the vulnerable (young, old, immunodeficient etc.)
- avoid further outbreaks
Originally Posted By dannyg1217⏩
There are people that cannot get the vaccine and rely on the herd immunity of everyone else to protect them.injecting something into someone's body against their will is a good thing. Take it yourself and if it's an effective vaccine then you dont have to worry about the rest of us.
Btw the flu vaccine is 30 to 40% effective yet you idiots tout that as a holy grail. No thanks I'll take my chances without.
Btw the flu vaccine is 30 to 40% effective yet you idiots tout that as a holy grail. No thanks I'll take my chances without.
But **** the flu vaccine. Hospitals force you to get it, and if you don't, they force you to wear a mask whenever you're on premises, even if you aren't sick or have zero symptoms. They do it to try to embarrass you and make you miserable having the damn mask on for 12 hours at a time.
Oh and guess what: I still got flu A this year despite having the shot. thanks obama
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
The irony is palpable with you.I wish they could vaccinate against stupididity,
After I ethered you about seatbelts and the history of cars, you come in and call people stupid, well attempt to at least.
jfc.
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04-26-2020, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted By Suit⏩
aware me on seatbeltsThe irony is palpable with you.
After I ethered you about seatbelts and the history of cars, you come in and call people stupid, well attempt to at least.
jfc.
After I ethered you about seatbelts and the history of cars, you come in and call people stupid, well attempt to at least.
jfc.
i can't make a decision on taking a vaccine until i've read the studies and until we've seen the true case fatality rate of the virus and until there has been a long-term study of the effects of the vaccine. legislating something that doesn't exists and which has unknown effects is at the very least shortsighted.
04-26-2020, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted By SportCoat⏩
In an attempted argument about mandatory vaccination they tried to say "WeLl Do YoU tHiNk SeAt BeLt LaWs ShOuLd Be MaNdAtOrY?" to which many miscrs responded with, no.aware me on seatbelts
i can't make a decision on taking a vaccine until i've read the studies and until we've seen the true case fatality rate of the virus and until there has been a long-term study of the effects of the vaccine. legislating something that doesn't exists and which has unknown effects is at the very least shortsighted.
i can't make a decision on taking a vaccine until i've read the studies and until we've seen the true case fatality rate of the virus and until there has been a long-term study of the effects of the vaccine. legislating something that doesn't exists and which has unknown effects is at the very least shortsighted.
That dude and another poster, irollurmom or some ****, didn't know cars were invented in 1808 and tried to say seat belt laws always existed, when the first law was in 1985.
They then said "yeaah but speed bro"
by 1914 we were building cars going 120+.
Then they said "yeah but car count bro on the road"
so I linked them to the registered cars in the USA and world in 1927, they both didn't respond, well the other dude tried but he just moved goal posts and said "even if i am wrong ur dumb"
I cited my sources, they couldn't formulate an argument and resulted to insults and just stopped responding.
Bad faith, dishonest, egotistic posters of peace.
So him calling people stupid and misspelling stupidity, coupled with the last interaction I had with him, is just amazing, the lack of self-awareness and the lack of introspection.
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04-26-2020, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Suit⏩
Your short-sighted fallacious ignorant argument conveniently ignores the following
The first person to achieve 100 miles in an hour was Percy Lambert, on 15 February 1913, driving a 4.5 liter sidevalve Talbot reportedly producing 105 bhp at 2,500 rpm
In many ways, the rise in speeds from 1894 to 1914 charts that wave of innovation: from one cylinder to 12 cylinders, from two- to four-wheel brakes, from side-valve to DOHC 4-valve hemispherical combustion chambers, from open to streamlined, from solid axles to pneumatic suspension and incredibly, from 12 mph to 120 mph.
1949 - Jaguar produced a car that could reach 124.6 mph
1955 - Mercedes produced a car that could reach 150.7 mph
Try again.
Again, false, read above.
Number of cars on road
The first person to achieve 100 miles in an hour was Percy Lambert, on 15 February 1913, driving a 4.5 liter sidevalve Talbot reportedly producing 105 bhp at 2,500 rpm
In many ways, the rise in speeds from 1894 to 1914 charts that wave of innovation: from one cylinder to 12 cylinders, from two- to four-wheel brakes, from side-valve to DOHC 4-valve hemispherical combustion chambers, from open to streamlined, from solid axles to pneumatic suspension and incredibly, from 12 mph to 120 mph.
1949 - Jaguar produced a car that could reach 124.6 mph
1955 - Mercedes produced a car that could reach 150.7 mph
Try again.
Again, false, read above.
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Originally Posted By Suit⏩
I never said there were hardly any cars in the past, just that there are many more today, and as a consequence that would likely lead to higher road fatalities today.The irony is palpable with you.
After I ethered you about seatbelts and the history of cars, you come in and call people stupid, well attempt to at least.
jfc.
After I ethered you about seatbelts and the history of cars, you come in and call people stupid, well attempt to at least.
jfc.
Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
From google it says there were 270 million+ registered motor vehicles in 2018 so over 60x as many as in the 1920's.I mean I admire your consistency in stance but obviously over 180 years a lot can change. Cars have since gotten faster as well asmore drivers on the road all increasing the chance of a car crash. As far as I know they implemented the mandatory seatbelt law because too many people were dying from road traffic accidents.
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/united-s...stration-total
As regards to whether seatbelts are necessary or not I get the freedom part of not wearing one but research does seem to lean in favour of seatbelts in terms of significantly reducing the overall chance of death during an accident. I think people who don't strap their children are irresponsible, but I guess if an adult really wants to take their lives into their own hands then it's their decision.
"Studies by road safety authorities conclude that seat belt legislation has reduced the number of casualties in road accidents.
Experiments using both crash test dummies and human cadavers also indicated that wearing seat belts should lead to reduced risk of death and injury in car crashes.
Studies of accident outcomes suggest that fatality rates among car occupants are reduced by between 30 and 50 percent if seat belts are worn. The US National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) estimates that death risks for a driver wearing a lap-shoulder seat belt are reduced by 48 percent. The same study indicated that in 2007, an estimated 15,147 lives were saved by seat belts in the United States and that if seat belt use were increased to 100 percent, an additional 5024 lives would have been saved.[31]
An earlier statistical analysis by the NHTSA claimed that seat belts save over 10,000 lives every year in the US.[32]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seat_belt_legislation
https://crashstats.nhtsa.dot.gov/Api...ication/811206
https://web.archive.org/web/20120921...ESV-000500.pdf
Regarding vaccines, I don't see the need to force things like yearly flu vaccines on people, but I don't get why anyone would be 100% against them either since a lot of the essential one like MMR and Polio do have a big positive impact on the health of the population at least imo.
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Originally Posted By Godfrd824⏩
Too many facts for these people. They’d prefer to stick with their “but mah brother’s friend said he got the flu after getting the shot” evidence.It's simple really, don't like society, don't participate in it. But you also don't get all the perks, so if you don't want to be vaccinated, move back to Russia. What's the life expectancy in Russia? In Estonia, more people 65 or over per 100,000 die from the Flu than in Australia, because 73% of Australians vaccinate against the flu, while only 3% of Estonians do. Vaccines are not perfect, but many times they're better than the alternative.
It's not just about you. It's about society as a whole. I've had the flu, and it was an annoyance and nothing more, but I interact with children and the elderly almost every day. This is the issue with younger people today, it's all about them, not about the country as a whole. By the way, 25% is a huge number, if you were likely to die 25% of the time you got in a car I bet you wouldn't be getting in a car ever again. Also, it's approximately 67% effective, not 25%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine
It's not just about you. It's about society as a whole. I've had the flu, and it was an annoyance and nothing more, but I interact with children and the elderly almost every day. This is the issue with younger people today, it's all about them, not about the country as a whole. By the way, 25% is a huge number, if you were likely to die 25% of the time you got in a car I bet you wouldn't be getting in a car ever again. Also, it's approximately 67% effective, not 25%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_vaccine
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these global elites and ****philes need to start getting shot SRS
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