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post 1604907531 05-14-2020, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Mandatory death sentenced by statute based on outcome regardless of the specifics of the case at hand...that's a precedent I want! As gun owners, there's no way that could ever come back on us.
We can't keep actual convicted criminals in jail because of a virus.
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post 1604908131 05-14-2020, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Question: Is it legal to shoot somebody who is posing no immediate threat to you or anybody else?

Should we throw out due process and auto murder 1 convict anybody who shoots and kills a person when said person (the deceased) has a spotless record and never posed a danger to anybody? I mean, they just murdered an innocent non-threat...right?
I mean, if they're breaking into that person's residence for no reason? Yes.
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post 1604908661 05-14-2020, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
I mean, if they're breaking into that person's residence for no reason? Yes.
Nope. They are not breaking into anything, are not even near a residence, and are in fact somewhere they have every legal right to be.

Is it legal to shoot somebody who is posing no immediate threat to you or anybody else?

Should we throw out due process and auto murder 1 convict anybody who shoots and kills a person when said person (the deceased) has a spotless record and never posed a danger to anybody? I mean, they just murdered an innocent non-threat...right?


The answer is: Maybe. It depends. Details matter. The specific case at hand, matters. Totality of the circumstances matter. You can't look at the end result and say "innocent blood was spilled" or "non threat was shot" and just say that, based on that, murder 1 guilty! That's not how it works nor how it should work.
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Yeah, I'm sure there are cases where you can in some obscure situation

Not after you chase someone down with a truck for over 5 minutes and they won't stop. I have never seen anything more idiotic done with a firearm when the assailant party had literally over 5 minutes of pursuit to change their mind and go "Hmm, maybe I shouldn't be chasing this guy down with my firearm drawn and visible since he isn't complying and isn't posing a threat to me. Or anyone. Because I saw him trespass and then he ran away from an empty house."

In their case I don't think that's murder 1, though. I think it was sheer negligence because they thought the presence of their guns would deter physical confrontation.

FYI, in my dozens and dozens of experiences of calling police to deal with trespassing, the moment the trespasser walks off hospital property, law enforcement says "don't come back" and leaves. Not even a ticket.
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Didn't they no knock the wrong house? I don't hate the idea of the police but in my experience they are not our friends. Some are good guys and some aren't but the real problem is that the majority of people who give them orders are chitbags
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post 1604909791 05-14-2020, 09:37 AM
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oh that case? i'll just no knock myself out
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Hey guys I just bought myself a s&w 357 mag want to know what difference in .38 and if it can shoot all the variants cause in the description it says .357 Magnum, .38 S&W SPECIAL +P
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The .38 spcl is essentially a shorter (and accordingly less powerful) cartridge that is otherwise the same. Shoot .38 spcl out of it all you want.
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Nope. They are not breaking into anything, are not even near a residence, and are in fact somewhere they have every legal right to be.

Is it legal to shoot somebody who is posing no immediate threat to you or anybody else?

Should we throw out due process and auto murder 1 convict anybody who shoots and kills a person when said person (the deceased) has a spotless record and never posed a danger to anybody? I mean, they just murdered an innocent non-threat...right?


The answer is: Maybe. It depends. Details matter. The specific case at hand, matters. Totality of the circumstances matter. You can't look at the end result and say "innocent blood was spilled" or "non threat was shot" and just say that, based on that, murder 1 guilty! That's not how it works nor how it should work.
IDK what you’re going for here, but yeah, I mean, for the most part, I’m personally totally good with a death penalty minimum for people found guilty in those circumstances.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Nope. They are not breaking into anything, are not even near a residence, and are in fact somewhere they have every legal right to be.

Is it legal to shoot somebody who is posing no immediate threat to you or anybody else?

Should we throw out due process and auto murder 1 convict anybody who shoots and kills a person when said person (the deceased) has a spotless record and never posed a danger to anybody? I mean, they just murdered an innocent non-threat...right?


The answer is: Maybe. It depends. Details matter. The specific case at hand, matters. Totality of the circumstances matter. You can't look at the end result and say "innocent blood was spilled" or "non threat was shot" and just say that, based on that, murder 1 guilty! That's not how it works nor how it should work.
All of this is irrelevant. We're specifically talking about LEOs entering a building, intentionally, premeditated, that there is no reason for them to be inside, and exposing the inhabitants, who are innocents, to risk of death and financial/bodily injury. That's what a "wrong house" no knock is.
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post 1604911381 05-14-2020, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted By MoeBettuh⏩
The .38 spcl is essentially a shorter (and accordingly less powerful) cartridge that is otherwise the same. Shoot .38 spcl out of it all you want.




IDK what you’re going for here, but yeah, I mean, for the most part, I’m personally totally good with a death penalty minimum for people found guilty in those circumstances.
So, you walk out of the bank, guy in a ski mask drives up and points a gun at your head, says put the wallet down or I blow your brains out. Your buddy who is carrying shoots the guy.

Your buddy is auto-convicted of murder 1.

The guy he shot had an unloaded airsoft gun, a squeaky clean record (prior to this, but, he died, so he's not going to be convicted of anything lol), the car was pointed in a safe direction, and he didn't get out. He in fact posed no danger to anybody, and your buddy just merc'd him.

Do you still think we should auto-guilty people because they shot/killed somebody with a clean record who was somewhere they had the legal right to be and posed no actual danger to anybody?

BUT, you say, you reasonably believed your life was in danger, so the fact that it wasn't in any way doesn't matter any more. Too bad, so sad, shouldn't have murdered somebody who posed no actual danger to anybody. See how that works? It is entirely possible a no knock raid could be reasonably believed justified/necessary, but turns out it wasn't, or an innocent party was somewhere they didn't belong and got tangled up in it, etc...circumstances matter. "auto guilty" based on looking back at something that "went wrong" etc is fuking retarded

Circumstances matter, and passing laws that automatically convict somebody based on hindsight are fuking retarded


(this is similar to why "zero tolerance" laws are generally a failure)
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
So, you walk out of the bank, guy in a ski mask drives up and points a gun at your head, says put the wallet down or I blow your brains out. Your buddy who is carrying shoots the guy.

Your buddy is auto-convicted of murder 1.

The guy he shot had an unloaded airsoft gun, a squeaky clean record (prior to this, but, he died, so he's not going to be convicted of anything lol), the car was pointed in a safe direction, and he didn't get out. He in fact posed no danger to anybody, and your buddy just merc'd him.

Do you still think we should auto-guilty people because they shot/killed somebody with a clean record who was somewhere they had the legal right to be and posed no actual danger to anybody?

BUT, you say, you reasonably believed your life was in danger, so the fact that it wasn't in any way doesn't matter any more. Too bad, so sad, shouldn't have murdered somebody who posed no actual danger to anybody. See how that works? It is entirely possible a no knock raid could be reasonably believed justified/necessary, but turns out it wasn't, or an innocent party was somewhere they didn't belong and got tangled up in it, etc...circumstances matter. "auto guilty" based on looking back at something that "went wrong" etc is fuking retarded

Circumstances matter, and passing laws that automatically convict somebody based on hindsight are fuking retarded


(this is similar to why "zero tolerance" laws are generally a failure)
That’s not even remotely close to the scenario you laid out before. It’s so far off from it as to not be part of the same conversation.

ETA: and furthermore, no jury would convict him, so the hypothetical mandatory minimum sentence wouldn’t come into play.
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Originally Posted By MoeBettuh⏩
That’s not even remotely close to the scenario you laid out before. It’s so far off from it as to not be part of the same conversation.
It is literally exactly what I 'laid out' before.

"Is it legal to shoot somebody who is posing no immediate threat to you or anybody else?"

The person in that scenario was, in point of fact, not posing any threat to anybody. He was trying to, he looked like he did,but he didn't.So, now that your buddy murdered somebody who posed no threat, auto-guilty murder 1. Because circumstances and specifics of the case at hand don't matter, it went wrong, and a non-threat was murdered. We don't need a trial, or a jury to find the facts, or to discuss any other facet of the case. Murdered a non-threat.Guilty

Doesn't seem like such a good precedent or way of making laws now, does it?


The way itshould work, is you have a trial. You collect evidence. You get a fair and impartial jury together. The jury evaluates the previous decisions and actions by the parties in question (judge, police, you, your buddy, whatever) and decide if the parties in question,based on what those parties knew or should have known at the time,are guilty of a crime based on a totality of the circumstances of that specific event
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Prices for 1000 round cases are still about $80 - $100 dollars more than they were in February.
Seeing prices come down a little this month from some vendors.
Hopefully it won't take years for prices to come way down again.
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Originally Posted By Brozef⏩
Prices for 1000 round cases are still about $80 - $100 dollars more than they were in February.
Seeing prices come down a little this month from some vendors.
Hopefully it won't take years for prices to come way down again.
Are you looking for anything in particular?

Target Sports just had both Lawman and American Eagle 9mm at $240/1k shipped with Prime. They also had steel case .223 at $211/1k shipped.

This was all yesterday I haven't check back today
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Originally Posted By Brozef⏩
Prices for 1000 round cases are still about $80 - $100 dollars more than they were in February.
Seeing prices come down a little this month from some vendors.
Hopefully it won't take years for prices to come way down again.
The election will likely make or break this. I wouldn't expect prices to be "normal" again until at least after November.

COVID pricing will last for at least another couple months. Then it'll become increased pricing because of the uncertainty of an election. "Buy it now in case Trump loses" type of thing. If Trump wins and COVID is under control by then, prices will come back.
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Originally Posted By JMath⏩
The election will likely make or break this. I wouldn't expect prices to be "normal" again until at least after November.

COVID pricing will last for at least another couple months. Then it'll become increased pricing because of the uncertainty of an election. "Buy it now in case Trump loses" type of thing. If Trump wins and COVID is under control by then, prices will come back.
Thank God we are just coming out of 3 years of "time to buy" and we have all known for a long time that it was time to already have anything you needed
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Thank God we are just coming out of 3 years of "time to buy" and we have all known for a long time that it was time to already have anything you needed
This. Lots and lots of this.
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post 1604915611 05-14-2020, 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted By MoeBettuh⏩
ETA: and furthermore, no jury would convict him, so the hypothetical mandatory minimum sentence wouldn’t come into play.
So, you agree it should go to trial and the jury should decide...no automatic anything? Okay, that's fine. I'm mostly arguing against ike's "auto-guilty", no trial, or merely a formality trial that a predetermined outcome of guilty regardless of the intricacies of the specific case at hand.

Due process is really fuking important, and a murder (or any other criminal) conviction without a jury (with all of the evidence provided to them) being the ones to call the verdict, is just plain wrong.



There is a dangerous trend for even supposed supporters of the Constitution to throw it out the window when they think doing so suits them. Kind of like, gun guys aren't really pro Constitution, they just like to point to the 2A for muh guns and claim they are supporting the Constitution is all...but then start talking about due process, or cruel and unusual punishment for people accused of a crime they find heinous, lol fuk that noise, that 3 second video says they are guilty we don't need due process time to torture them! Constitution? What's that? IDGAF
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Thank God we are just coming out of 3 years of "time to buy" and we have all known for a long time that it was time to already have anything you needed
Agreed. But I always "need" something else.

Although honestly, this past year my gun purchases have gone down a lot and it's pretty interesting to see how much money I was able to save.
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Originally Posted By JMath⏩
Agreed. But I always "need" something else.

Although honestly, this past year my gun purchases have gone down a lot and it's pretty interesting to see how much money I was able to save.
Waiting until March to receive my Thanksgiving Day 35% off ($1,190 in DDC) Geissele Super Duty (plus 35% and 20% off coupons) feels pretty damn good right now
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Originally Posted By JMath⏩
Agreed. But I always "need" something else.

Although honestly, this past year my gun purchases have gone down a lot and it's pretty interesting to see how much money I was able to save.
A few years ago I wanted to see how long I could go without buying anything that wasn't a necessity. I think I made it 15 days. Something like that, +/- a few days. Poor crew.
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Originally Posted By blumpkin415⏩
Penis Butt
Legit scrolling through the diarrhea of the last page and thought "ill post 'penis butt' just to be funny."

Leaving satisfied.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
So, you agree it should go to trial and the jury should decide...no automatic anything? Okay, that's fine. I'm mostly arguing against ike's "auto-guilty", no trial, or merely a formality trial that a predetermined outcome of guilty regardless of the intricacies of the specific case at hand.

Due process is really fuking important, and a murder (or any other criminal) conviction without a jury (with all of the evidence provided to them) being the ones to call the verdict, is just plain wrong.



There is a dangerous trend for even supposed supporters of the Constitution to throw it out the window when they think doing so suits them. Kind of like, gun guys aren't really pro Constitution, they just like to point to the 2A for muh guns and claim they are supporting the Constitution is all...but then start talking about due process, or cruel and unusual punishment for people accused of a crime they find heinous, lol fuk that noise, that 3 second video says they are guilty we don't need due process time to torture them! Constitution? What's that? IDGAF
Yes, I agree that there should be a trial. I don’t think I ever said anything that would indicate I think otherwise.
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
I'll put it together during my lunch break today.

Just got back in from the woods...



Get some killflash covers for the ends of those binos. If they spot the glare coming off your glass then you're fukked. You can always just throw the caps on but again, if they see you moving then you're also fukked. Their eyes are a lot moe betta than ours

ETA: also, find more cover lol
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Hey guys I just bought myself a s&w 357 mag want to know what difference in .38 and if it can shoot all the variants cause in the description it says .357 Magnum, .38 S&W SPECIAL +P
38 special is good to go in that gun. Im curious what length barrel it has?

Make sure you get 38 Special, not 380., not 38 super, not 38 ACP, etc
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Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
I'll put it together during my lunch break today.

Just got back in from the woods...



Isn't that snakeskin type camo called predator? It looks pretty cool.
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What’s up y’all? I’m way behind on this thread. Crazy busy with work even though they had to cut our salaries 10%. Errone good?

Been trying to work the market and day trade. I was up a couple grand in a week or two then made a really stupid move and lost a few grand last week. Now I’m up $2k this week again. Missed opportunities early this morning but I did not see the day ending green the way it did.

Work is saying mid-late June for going back to the office now.

Haven’t done any gun stuff at all except buy ammo. My wife gives me crap any time I say I want to go to the range. So pretty much been in the house for 2 months now other then Walmart and Lowe’s. Eyeing up some guns and gear for sure with all the money I’m saving now.
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  1. gbullock32
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Been slow and boring lately, at work and at home; on the upside I have been able to put more time into other things like gaming and going shooting more.

Avoiding most large stores because all the new policies are just annoying to deal with.
Short cuts to success are often paved with lies.
1/13/16: Massive hernia.
5/10/16: Finally back to lifting, light but improving.

Why Teens shouldn't cut/Lack of progress thread- http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=169272763&p=1397509823#post1397509823
post 1604935241 05-14-2020, 03:39 PM
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  1. Bo_Flecks
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Originally Posted By benz5521⏩
My wife gives me crap any time I say I want to go to the range.
The last time I was at the range was March 4th. It opened back up again this week, so I am scheduled to go shooting on Tuesday. Interested to see just how much my skillz have degraded during the lockdown.
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