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Thread: Wtf is the point of rare steak? Seems like a tryhard way to eat steak.

post 1605387591 05-20-2020, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted By DontbeSwak⏩
U wot m8,chicken ?
Originally Posted By snailsrus⏩
I don’t eat meat and know you never cook chicken or turkey medium rare
I don't know what you two are talking about, it's the best way to cook chicken.

Someone told me I'd get salmonella from eating chicken this way but I don't think I'll be taking advice from someone who thinks chicken will taste like salmon. One's a fish and one's a bird.

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Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
Do you like hanger steak (onglet) too? Ilovethis cut and haven't had much of it in my life. I love the 'wavy exterior' and how you get extra texture and char.
Oh yeah, but I have a hard time finding it anywhere besides Wegmans. I tried to sous vide it a week or so ago and that was dumb - feels like a cut meant to be over fire.
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Originally Posted By Sandmang27⏩
I don't know what you two are talking about, it's the best way to cook chicken.

Someone told me I'd get salmonella from eating chicken this way but I don't think I'll be taking advice from someone who thinks chicken will taste like salmon. One's a fish and one's a bird.

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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
It’s funny because I’m merely speaking from my passion for food and the dedication I’ve spent my entire life trying to make people happy through cooking.
I love to cook and also eat out at great restaurants, which is partly why COVID hits me so hard in NYC. I should have some business meetings in Washington once lockdown is lifted and if you PM me your restaurant I'll come, guaranteed, and bring other people too because the way you write about your cooking shows that you bring analysis to cooking in order to greatly satisfy your customers. That's what 'eating out' should be; else I may as well cook at home. And eating out in NYC has been rather hit/miss - even for some of the Michelin recommended restaurants. Or, at Craft, having undercooked/seasoned dauphinoise or the rabbit pie with far too little rabbit in it, while at the same time having the best donuts and Brussels sprouts I have ever eaten. I need 'home run' type restaurants to ever go back, and they have been hard to find for me here.

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I've only had hanger steak once and thought it was amazing. Tons of flavor. My wife hated it though
Funnily enough, similar here. It isn't that my wife 'hated' it - the flavor was so 'beefy' she didn't expect it compared to filet. She'll order it, only rarely. Whereas for me it is normally a toss-up between a good ribeye or hanger. I love the beefy flavor - and no sauce.
Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
It really shines being cooked over coals or I use applewood logs at my restaurant With an Argentinian grill. Serve is with a strong flavored sauce, I use a mustard/garlic/whisky sauce at the restaurant while all my other steaks go with a traditional French bordelaise. Probably one of my best sellers, I serve it as a steak frites.
This is what I meant, because the way it is cooked like this gives parts of that 'wavey' outside different textures. You get a bit of crunch, you get softness, and if it is well seasoned (I'm salivating hard as I write this) you get the perfect 'steak combo' in each and every bite. But I don't need the sauce - I'd dip my fries in it I guess

But give me steak and creamed spinach any day of the week....hnnngh.
Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
Oh yeah, but I have a hard time finding it anywhere besides Wegmans. I tried to sous vide it a week or so ago and that was dumb - feels like a cut meant to be over fire.
YES to the fire; YES to the hard to locate. This used to be an 'off cut' when I came across it (we actually tried it because it was much cheaper than the ribeye at the butcher), now it sells out from local butchers here quickly. At my butcher they ran out of pork shoulder for this week already lol...so much for my miso gochujang pulled pork (Milk Street) attempt.
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because people have different preferences..

the further up scale you go in terms of doneness steaks are less tender/juicy. we prefer around medium rare-medium depending on cut. ribeyes have more fat so ill usually let them go a bit longer than something like a filet

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Originally Posted By Procta⏩
depends on the cut really
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Originally Posted By Sandmang27⏩
Agreed. Medium rare is the best way to cook meat. Steak, chicken, lamb. I always cook them to medium rare.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
On your first point. Steaks with a bit more toughness like hanger or skirt will absolutely become more tender being cooked to medium then rare, they are much chewier rare due to how tough the muscle is and a nice medium cook will allow you to slice against the grain thinner then is possible rare and break the tendons making it much more tender. You nailed the rest of the post though.






It picks up a little bit of the organ flavor from where it hangs inside the cow. It really shines being cooked over coals or I use applewood logs at my restaurant With an Argentinian grill. Serve is with a strong flavored sauce, I use a mustard/garlic/whisky sauce at the restaurant while all my other steaks go with a traditional French bordelaise. Probably one of my best sellers, I serve it as a steak frites.
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I like rare, but pretty sure I usually cook my Ribeye to med rare, or right before it hits med rare. It's not cold, so I'd assume it's not actually rare.
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I ordered these steak frites medium rare a while back.



-Brb no sear
-Brb hard to chew.

I'm not very well educated on steak cuts, so did I ask for the wrong finish for this cut?
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Medium rare crew. But I think rare is meant towards higher end steaks. When I had kobe steak, it was recommended to have it cook blue.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Sweetbreads are my personal favorite, you need to soak in salted ice water to remove blood.
Bring a pot of water to a low simmer and add enough salt to taste seasoned but nor overly salty. Add vinegar until water tastes sour. Throw in a bit of carrots/onion/celery some peppercorns/bay leaf/thyme. They should be cooked slow until they gain a bit of structure and are no longer mushy but not so long they harden, roughly a poach to “medium”

Place them in ice water again to cool and pound them flat gently with a mallet. Get a ripping hot cast iron pan and sear one side until it colors and pop them in the oven for about 5-8 minutes with the sear side still down and searing (to further crisp and not overcook the soft side)

Remove from the oven and place back on a burner on high, add butter and cook until it starts to lightly brown, throw in some thyme and garlic into the browning butter to flavor it and baste the sweetbread with the browning butter for a minute. You can then flip the sweetbread with crispy side up and have the soft side rest in the brown butter with the heat off for a few seconds while you plate whatever sides you are eating with it.

I like eating it with bacon/mushrooms/onion and maybe a root vegetable purée like parsnip, kohlrabi, carrot etc. a fun purée that goes good is simmering the root vegetable I fresh squeezed orange juice until tender and juice is reduced to a syrup and blending it with some butter and salt.

A gastrique made with a typical veal sauce or chicken sauce and cut with an acid like reduced orange juice or sherry vinegar is ideal sauce to serve it with.


Calves liver is alright I like it with braised leeks and bacon and onion rings, caramalize some garlic, pour whisky on the garlic and cook out the alcohol, reduce cream in it until thick then add some mustard. I use this same sauce for the hangers. If I had to guess on the ratio I would say like 1/2 cup chopped garlic, 1/2 cup whisky, 4 cups cream, 1/4 cup Dijon mustard 1/4 cup whole grain.

You want to dry and lightly flour the liver (pat off excess) then sear on extremely high heat without burning the flour, flip and sear for both sides to get a nice crust then baste with brown butter/thyme/garlic.

For things like heart/kidneys I just soak in changes of milk for a few days then skewer and oil and salt and grill over coals or wood fire.
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Originally Posted By Voidgaze⏩
I ordered these steak frites medium rare a while back.



-Brb no sear
-Brb hard to chew.

I'm not very well educated on steak cuts, so did I ask for the wrong finish for this cut?
You probably didn't do anything wrong they just didn't do a good job preparing it
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Late to the thread, didnt read any replies but the long and short of it is eating a rare steak depends greatly on the cut of steak as it pertains to fat content. A lean round shouldn’t ever be eaten any more cooked than a short medium rare while a well marbled t bone is still palatable even at medium well. Less marbling = less cook time.
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
Late to the thread, didnt read any replies but the long and short of it is eating a rare steak depends greatly on the cut of steak as it pertains to fat content. A lean round shouldn’t ever be eaten any more cooked than a short medium rare while a well marbled t bone is still palatable even at medium well. Less marbling = less cook time.
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Originally Posted By TBO1313⏩
You probably didn't do anything wrong they just didn't do a good job preparing it
I figured as much. That lady lied to my face and told me it was the best thing on the menu. Lyin' ass bish.
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Originally Posted By Aristotelian⏩
I love to cook and also eat out at great restaurants, which is partly why COVID hits me so hard in NYC. I should have some business meetings in Washington once lockdown is lifted and if you PM me your restaurant I'll come, guaranteed, and bring other people too because the way you write about your cooking shows that you bring analysis to cooking in order to greatly satisfy your customers. That's what 'eating out' should be; else I may as well cook at home. And eating out in NYC has been rather hit/miss - even for some of the Michelin recommended restaurants. Or, at Craft, having undercooked/seasoned dauphinoise or the rabbit pie with far too little rabbit in it, while at the same time having the best donuts and Brussels sprouts I have ever eaten. I need 'home run' type restaurants to ever go back, and they have been hard to find for me here.

My little bit of advice to you is to ignore attention-whoring morons writing 'negged' simply because you describe good food. You'll get my measlies on.
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Had ris de veau in France and was surprised at how much that I liked it...
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Originally Posted By ExPatriot⏩
My girlfriend swears up and down schit like this is good (Along with raw sushi/ sushimi). I'm non a lil bitch so I'll try just about any food once. To be perfectly honest I never did get the appeal of uncooked food. I don't like eating anything cold and it just lacks the flavor a good sear can give it.

Everytime we go out and she orders sushi I sample whatever she orders and swears is so good. Its typically edible but isn't anything special. I always tell her if I'm hungry I'd eat it, but I'd never order it by choice.



I'm convinced that a lot of people (Especially Asians) like eating stuff just for the novelty of it. You can literally sustain yourself by drinking an animals blood and eating it's raw meat. Doesn't mean its the ideal cuisine of choice.
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I prefer medium rare but sickness wise it's no different than just fukking eating it raw. 130 degrees for 3 minutes isn't killing anything.

You either eat it fully cooked or you accept this reality IMO. For that, I don't really see the rare crew as try hards. They've just accepted their fate lol.

edit: it looks like at 122 degrees it still kills off bacteria

https://www.yourdoctorsorders.com/20...althy-cooking/

I just assumed the worst lol

eedit 2: ooohh looks like that's only the case if you hold it there for hours

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Originally Posted By Sandmang27⏩
Agreed. Medium rare is the best way to cook meat. Steak,chicken, lamb. I always cook them to medium rare.
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2 things *******s brag about but don’t actually do, order rare steaks and drink black coffee.

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I can tolerate medium rare but prefer rare. Def not tryhard.

Gfs mom made tri tip in the OVEN and it got cooked completely through to 170 internal. I didn't even eat a bite just to make em feel better cause that is disgust
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Getting a job there was a bitch tho, I walked into every 3 Michelin star restaurant and was turned down, then went alphabetically through all the two Michelin starred ones until “relaise”. Life as an illegal alien is rough.
Please tell me that, at least at L'Ambroisie (my favorite restaurant on this planet, 10 years running), you were treated well enough. Just f'n HNNNNGH at the cooking there. I could write a little essay on this dish (Feuillantine de Langoustines) they do with a delicate curry, sesame pancake (crispy) with langoustines...JFC.

See, I have been there quite a few times...it is consistently 'perfect'. One experience was slightly marred by a dipchit 24 year old dunce coming in and complaining 'umm the portions are far too large!', lol. I slipped each and every waiter there a special handshake on the way out. Love restaurants like that.
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Originally Posted By ChrisLS8⏩
Gfs mom made tri tip in the OVEN and it got cooked completely through to 170 internal.
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