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The list of demands for BLM is out, and sadly, it's absurd.

The highlights they're asking for?

-Require a verbal warning before an officer is allowed to discharge his weapon. No exceptions for the suspect having a weapon. Someone pointing a gun at a cop or charging with a knife? Better have time for a clear verbal warning before drawing from your holster.

-Change burden from "reasonable expectation the officer's life is in danger" to "has exhausted all other alternatives". Getting actively shot at? Gotta try pepper spray first, THEN a verbal warning, THEN your gun.

-Require police to report anytime their gun is drawn from the holster. Know the guy ahead of you is driving a stolen vehicle and confirmed armed? It's gonna be four hours of paperwork if you do a traditional felony stop.

I truly had been hoping for some useful ideas. This isn't it.
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They should just make sure there's 1 black cop per 1 white cop, make them be partners. Keep each other in check. This idea should also spawn some excellent buddy movies.
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so basically , as more blacks die , it gets easier and easier for criminals to be criminals

at what point do the white people start feeling like they are being bamboozled?


and don't start your racist angle bs


you go into any high crime area in any city, you know the fkn makeup
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First of all. There aren't even national standards for policing. Every agency is different.


Next, how the hell are you going to get small agencies that pay 8-15 dollars per hour to have the same standards/level of policing as bigger agencies that can require a college degree or military service, and have 10X the amount of training.


Are BLM also going to advocate we double or triple police budgets so we can hire the best qualified candidates, higher standards, longer/more professional training, etc.? Essentially the problem can be fixed by expanding budgets for training, wages, and upping requirements.
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Originally Posted By wasp9166⏩
so basically , as more blacks die , it gets easier and easier for criminals to be criminals

at what point do the white people start feeling like they are being bamboozled?


and don't start your racist angle bs


you go into any high crime area in any city, you know the fkn makeup
It's not even about the race thing. Daniel Shaver was flat-out executed by police and he was white. There ARE some bad cops out there. But that doesn't mean society survives if we take away the ability of the police to keep the rule of law for everyone.

Best idea I've heard is to establish a separate court of law for police misconduct, same as the military has. Don't leave it up to crooked local departments or DA's.

But you still have to let the damn police protect themselves and their community.
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Location: california

Pretty sure this already happens in ur mistake of a state brah

Edit: oh yah. Light your hair on fire
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We NEED to have cops take the knee before every discharge of their weapon moving forward.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
It's not even about the race thing. Daniel Shaver was flat-out executed by police and he was white. There ARE some bad cops out there. But that doesn't mean society survives if we take away the ability of the police to keep the rule of law for everyone.

Best idea I've heard is to establish a separate court of law for police misconduct, same as the military has. Don't leave it up to crooked local departments or DA's.

But you still have to let the damn police protect themselves and their community.
then why is there no wlm movement?

oh right , because of the wrongs of our forefathers

we'll be paying for that till the end of time won't we

yet they go to church and pray for forgiveness
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I don’t think the last one is a bad idea tbh
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They need to make it harder for people to become a cop. PERIOD. They need to be licensed like a doctor and go through specific type of trainings. All evidence needs to be transparent and after every shooting the cops must be held completely accountable-no QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. Any evidence of racism or police brutality must result immediate firing and never allowed to work in law enforcement again. These are rational solutions that provide deterrents and hold officers accountable.
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or how about we just do the opposite and curb stomp all the BLM rioters

btw you have to kind of appreciate that none of those would have made a difference for george
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Please tell me they at least recommended that we get rid of no-knock warrants.
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Originally Posted By wd0694820⏩
I don’t think the last one is a bad idea tbh
Yeah, without knowing procedures I’m surprised it is t required already.

How about body cams are mandatory? No problem with that. It’s helped clear cops in many instances, too.
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If this means that you're REQUIRED to throw hands before pulling your taser, this should make for much better YouTube videos.
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Ah yes, more chit for a cop to fuk up so the community can get sued.


This has nothing to do with stopping violence. It's about nullifying order and sowing discontent in the population.

It's about causing violence.
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Originally Posted By wasp9166⏩
so basically , as more blacks die , it gets easier and easier for criminals to be criminals
This is exactly how it's playing out but the media don't say anything about it.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Please tell me they at least recommended that we get rid of no-knock warrants.
There is no such thing. You are conflating things. Any execution of a warrant requires a knock before entering. HOWEVER, if it knocking would be futile or could lead to destruction of evidence then knocking is not required. In addition, any violation of the knocking requirement does not necessarily result in exclusion of evidence as a result of the search.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
The highlights they're asking for?

-Require a verbal warning before an officer is allowed to discharge his weapon. No exceptions for the suspect having a weapon. Someone pointing a gun at a cop or charging with a knife? Better have time for a clear verbal warning before drawing from your holster.

-Change burden from "reasonable expectation the officer's life is in danger" to "has exhausted all other alternatives". Getting actively shot at? Gotta try pepper spray first, THEN a verbal warning, THEN your gun.

-Require police to report anytime their gun is drawn from the holster. Know the guy ahead of you is driving a stolen vehicle and confirmed armed? It's gonna be four hours of paperwork if you do a traditional felony stop.

I truly had been hoping for some useful ideas. This isn't it.
Truthfully, I think it’s a good starting point.

I’m on board with #3 as is. Need to throw no knock warrants on that list too
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A national registry so that disgraced/terminated cops can't just get a job two counties over is an idea I fully support - there are some bad apples at that job can't have any bad apples. 100%


Jfl at the contents of OP.
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My roommate had a great solution srs

Stream bodycam video to command. If you think about it the cop would have been told to get off him. My only issue is command communication should be withheld while an officers gun is drawn. On a long enough timeline having someone in your ear telling you what to do distracting you while a perp is drawing or shooting at you will get a cop killed.
Originally Posted By MrBourbon⏩
A national registry so that disgraced/terminated cops can't just get a job two counties over is an idea I fully support - there are some bad apples at that job can't have any bad apples. 100%


Jfl at the contents of OP.
Im going to be very disappointed if they dont get this going only make it nationwide.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
All that needs to happen is

#1 - Cops should be held to a much higher physical standard of strength

#2 (more important) - Cops should be required to have a high level of emotional intelligence and be screened for power tripping tendencies


And for black people, they need to change their culture and stop committing 65-70% of the overall crime in this country despite being only 13% of the overall population. Segregation ended something like 60 years ago, slavery ended roughly 150 years ago, we've had a black president, they are not currently oppressed in society (they have better opportunities at universities than the smartest asians out there), and they cause their own stereotypes.
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Originally Posted By enzo818⏩
They need to make it harder for people to become a cop. PERIOD. They need to be licensed like a doctor and go through specific type of trainings. All evidence needs to be transparent and after every shooting the cops must be held completely accountable-no QUALIFIED IMMUNITY. Any evidence of racism or police brutality must result immediate firing and never allowed to work in law enforcement again. These are rational solutions that provide deterrents and hold officers accountable.
I agree the standards for becoming a cop should be increased. Training should also be increased. But the question becomes. What happens when you can't hire/employ anyone because you don't have enough qualified candidates? In order to increase these standards they'll have to massively increase police salaries, budgets and manpower.


Everybody wants police reform. Nobody wants to throw an extra 3-5 million per year of tax dollars for every 100 existing officers. So a place with 200 officer's needs more like 6-10 million more per year, etc. Training, equipment and manpower is super expensive for policing.
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Originally Posted By al****orilla⏩
Originally Posted By MrBourbon⏩
A national registry so that disgraced/terminated cops can't just get a job two counties over is an idea I fully support - there are some bad apples at that job can't have any bad apples. 100%
Both of these I'm interested in seeing be pushed more
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Originally Posted By MrBourbon⏩
A national registry so that disgraced/terminated cops can't just get a job two counties over is an idea I fully support - there are some bad apples at that job can't have any bad apples. 100%


Jfl at the contents of OP.
That’s a good one too!

I would add on, if you’re former military being considered for a role of a cop, then you need to have received clearance from a board certified psychiatrist that you do not suffer from PTSD, or have unnatural aggressive tendencies.
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Black people want it easier for Black people to kill other Black people.

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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
I agree the standards for becoming a cop should be increased. Training should also be increased. But the question becomes. What happens when you can't hire/employ anyone because you don't have enough qualified candidates? In order to increase these standards they'll have to massively increase police salaries, budgets and manpower.


Everybody wants police reform. Nobody wants to throw an extra 3-5 million per year of tax dollars for every 100 existing officers. So a place with 200 officer's needs more like 6-10 million more per year, etc. Training, equipment and manpower is super expensive for policing.
I don’t know. The police unions don’t seem to have a problem with begging us tax payers every year to give them a raise.
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You should see some of the Seattle protester demands.

1. Defund Seattle Police Departments

2. Fund Community - Based Health and Safety

3. Drop all charges.

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