Incels understand this but most of us will never be high value no matter what we do that's the facts. Very few men can become billionaires

This. With the world on reset, bitches think they have a say.

Eerie as chit brah... I literally just watched Elliot Hulse say the exact same phrase..

Its not even necessarily "why do I have to become superman "

It's more like "I can't become superman " , because I'm like 99% of people who are ultimately average ish.

If men need to become superman just to get average or below average women something is wrong.

Up until recently a low value man could get a low value chick just fine. That we have to now be superman to get women at or below our own level shows the problem

It is bull****, but it is what it is. Some men wont be able to do anything about it and are doomed, but most can do something. You may not become high value enough to make love to prime Brooke Shields but you sure as hell will do better with women than by just giving up.

Lets not exaggerate btw, you dont need to become Superman. Maybe Robin.

Women don't even want to have sex with the bottom 80% of men. It's incredibly hard to get laid these days srs.

I'm with you and OP, but I can understand why some brahs might not listen to ya'll. Last night I had a good looking brah try to set me up with a sloot who was OBVIOUSLY into him, but he didn't understand that because he believed I had a chance based off of his experience as a person, NOT mine.

What I think they might need is for an average brah to turn it around and demonstrate his success. Maybe, just maybe they'll be willing to listen. Technically I'm still "FA", but I turned my chit around and started working on myself, but that didn't happen because of what someone said. One day I got tired of feeling like a loser, and wanted to prove the world wrong.

Everyone has to find their internal drive. Not to sound edgy, but for me it was hatred. When I'm about to give up, I feed on it and it sets me on fire, but it helps me get chit done.

Yeah but you consider yourself a young brad Pitt in terms of looks, so should be like shooting fish in barrel for you bro

It depends, everyone is different. As you said, there ARE some guys who are doomed no matter what and others who can potentially get better results. But too many miscers pretend like everyone is in the same category and that's not true. Especially for ethnics brahs, most miscers are white and don't realize how much that alone is an advantage compared to low value minorities

Yeah thats true, but my point is that regardless of your race or ethnicity, you will look better with low bodyfat. Regardless of race or ethnicity, you will look better with the right clothes. Regardless of your height or face, you will look better with the right haircut, hell even if you are bald theres ways to rock it to make yourself more attractive and there are ways to completely ruin yourself, as having a horseshoe on top of your head instead of completely shaving it or spending a few K on micropigmentation to make it seem you have a hairline.


Regardless of the things out of your control, you can always improve. And the more improved you are, the better your chances are. I dont care if you take your chances of 1% up to a 10%, improvement is improvement, you gotta play the hand you were dealt with. Its not about becoming a Chad and competing with every man, not everyone can do that, but at least be the best version of yourself you possibly can.

If destiny gives you an opportunity, you better be ready for it, and not wearing your nike basketball shorts, white tshirt and sandals with socks

I dont know anyone who would disagree with this, but like I said as long as you can recognize a lot of guys dont get any results no matter what, I agree with you.

How would dating be easy these days? Every attractive girl has thousands of options. They are hooking up left and right. And even if they aren't hooking up they are already seeing 2-3 other dudes they have known for a while.

Tbh i can't even imagine dating these days. It was already hard in 2014.

This. Miscers need to acknowledge this reality. Low tier men simply cannot compete. Even average men struggle

It's probably for the best. I would never have been born if my parents were living in today's environment.

Same lol, just wish society could be more honest about this

You just said as long as you’re in the top 20% of men you’re getting dates/laid. And you clearly think you are prime cut based on your countless posts about being 6’1 and the spitting image of sex icon actors like brad Pitt

Again it should be like shooting fish in a barrel if you actually believe what you say

Inb4 whiny btch merge

Let me follow this logic, for the first time women are hooking up left and right, dating multiple men at once, and yet despite this reality you still can't get laid as a "top tier male?"

Lol. Inb4, "95% of women are fuking the top 0.005% of men." To hell with whether the math even works out.

Correct (at least in my case). The term "Incel" is probably less accurate than some combination of the words "Involuntarily" and "Undesirable". Some of us have no idea why we're undesirable, and some of us know (or at least think we know) EXACTLY why, but are either completely incapable, or recognize that the amount of work involved in making those changes isn't worth the squeeze to make the juice.

I am completely undesirable to the opposite sex for at least some if not all of the following reasons:

-Ugly as fukc
-Fat
-Socially inept
-No friends
-No interests that women care about
-No social circle at all really
-Never leave the house except to work or purchase necessities
-Strong political opinions which most women don't share (something like 70%+ of women are leftist or faaar leftist these days)
-Massively negative attitude (which I would argue is simply due to life being a ****-show as evidenced by some of the above listed items, but regardless women don't like it)
-Generally fail at everything I try

It's cool though. I'll just keep making YT videos nobody watches and play with my cat.

Dude the fem miscer who took your virginity was hot..

kek
exChad gives tips to incels


summary from an incel to other incels
here's the ultimate whitepill to incels:

if you forget about being chad and look for a high quality girls.
you only need one
cumulative probability is on your side

Instant is volcel

nah. you guys just dont know how far deep you're into chit. you're whiny as fuk - the antithesis to poosy. i am dead serious about that last sentence. seriously contemplate it. serious your precision is so far off its not even funny

at the same time, i think its fixable

you could also get lucky one weekend and snowball it

Need more posters like OP

Can confirm on the love at first sight thing. It’s when you see someone and you’re drawn into and curious. It could be fleeting. But it’s a feeling that transcends physical attraction.

There are moments when you get the feeling “this person should be in my life”. Up to you to act on it. But it’s also apparent that it’s mutual. It’s beyond “gaming” or “hoping”. It’s just something you know and feel.

I live for those moments. Don’t really act on them because I’m not in the right place right now. I ducked up the last one hard, we almost got together/worked out and if I’m honest, it still hurts. That type of connection. And it wasn’t her fault. I ****ed up.


That said, I get a lot of attention otherwise, enough to be a “slayer” I guess. But I just don’t care to. I fell in love at like 22, and that relationship crushed me(very first one, not first relationship and before previous girl I mentioned). When that breakup happened I played the game for about a month and realized casual sex wasn’t it. I needed more. I knew what I liked and wanted in a partner and I knew I could find that spark again so I could be patient and wait. I didn’t need sex to figure that out. Sure it’s fun I guess, but that other feeling is worth it.

I think of a quote from Before Sunset(great movie):

—-Celine: I guess when you're young, you just believe there'll be many people with whom you'll connect with. Later in life, you realize it only happens a few times.
—-Jesse: And you can screw it up, you know, misconnect


And that’s so true. Once your priorities are aligned you can recognize those people you DO connect with. If you’ve had the feeling, you’ll know. I know OP has. It’s really hard to describe.

And she was a mental basket case (she'd tell you the same). I have no idea why she did what she did, but she ended the relationship over email and never even alluded to there being a problem prior to that. It wasn't a real relationship anyway, just a FWB.

I haven't even had a date in 4.5 years lol.

I wish I stayed blue-pilled to be honest. The black-pill, white mostly true, has only brought me and similar people more depression & mental issues in the end.

If i could be your shadow for a month or two tops, and if you actually listened to me, you could change your life srs. A quick grasp at your avi and i can tell you are not the kind of guys that are helpless.

However, your phrase "the juice aint worth the squeeze" tells me a lot about your mentality though.


If you want to improve, shoot me a PM. There is no way in hell that a healthy young male like yourself should be making youtube videos that nobody watch and hanging out with his cats all day.

When Neo took the red pill, he did it knowing that the truth would suck, but that he could do something about it. You telling me there is nothing you can do about your situation? You recognize the problem with todays society and how it works, yet you cant adapt to it? Unless you are like a 5'4" ugly midget i dont wanna hear it.

If there is any 5'4" ugly midget out there reading this, im sorry, i didnt mean to make you feel bad lol, You could come to Mexico tho bunch of guys like that here lol, some get lucky some dont but hey thats life

lmao u stupid fuk, every man wants to live this life for a bit so they can move ontop one women, but you need looks to get this out of ur system and incels never get the opp

lmao that's pretty wild, but I'm thankful that I'm not too far off base with this, then...Well, I think that's really the biggest part about this. Normally when people ask me what I'd like to do with my life, my answer tends to be a mix of a few things that boil down to "be the best version of myself." That does include a lot of different aspects, but it's important to me to advance to the highest version of myself. I'm not a superman, but I'd like to look like one and feel like one (financially). Finally closing in on having a pretty damn good physique during this cut.

It's your "why"; to do all that for the sake of obtaining a woman is absolutely demotivating, and would certainly cause me not to be interested.

And if those were the minimum requirements for me to get laid, I might consider that it's not worth it at all. That's a fair, understandable, and logical conclusion.

However, I do not think that you need to be a superman to get laid. Although, that might be contrary with your experience, I'd say that most people I know who are quite average people (or slightly below average looking normies) seem to be doing just fine. Again, I work with a guy that has kept in touch with me all through this. He's 5'5'', hispanic, balding, small-framed, and does marathons. His wife is about to let him quit work so he can run marathons full time and stream video games on twitch. You can definitely still be loved and desired while being short.Fuark, that's rough. I'm not even going to lie, that's shot and it just means he had some pretty low social awareness.

I'm in complete agreement with your post. It's definitely your "why"; and your "why" is what helps you understand what you need to do in order to achieve your goal. Having astrongguiding purpose will ultimately prevent you from backing down when it's your time to put your money where your mouth is.

I think that even though right now it hasn't completely worked for you, it will eventually. I don't know if "hatred" should be the drive for you because once your hatred subsides (and it will), you'll have no other reason to move forward. The drive should be for yourself. To make your life better. Don't try to live your best life out of spite, or else you'll never fully enjoy it.

Live to see how wonderful being alive can truly be.Nice to know I'm going in the right direction with that. Lets me know that we could theoretically cut to the heart of some of the issue, and we could try to slowly work our way into a better direction.

I'm going to be honest with you, there's so much going on in your post and with your life that it's very hard to really sit down and give you any meaningful advice. I think that it's specifically because you are right;you have a massively negative attitude, and it's certainly theworstof the "issues" you have listed. In fact, being below average looking and fat, pale in comparison to being massively negative in your attitude.

If I were to tell you to do one thing, to massively improve your quality of life it would be to fix your headspace. It would be to work on figuring out how to stop looking at yourself as a massive failure (we've had the discussion before about your many notable "failures") and begin looking forward.

If I can try to point you in the right direction I'd like to at least give you the following:

You'll need to look forward, and no longer look backward. You cannot change what has happened, but you have a direct and immediate ability to control your future. While it is hard to simply say "I'm going to completely forget about the past" you have to understand that it's a waste of your headspace to use your past as a litmus test for the potential of your future. Nobody knows anything, you could win the lotto tomorrow (though it's unlikely), or you could accidentally crash into Bill Gates' car tomorrow (probably even less likely).

Try to find ways to appreciate your life. That'll be one of the most important things you can do. Appreciate the fact that you have a wonderful creature who lives with you that is a complex system of organs, cells, and structures that does not even have to consider it's own existence. Appreciate the fact that, for the most part, you don't have to think about existing to do so--your body just does it for you.

I urge you to spend a little time watching these three videos:
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Improvement is improvement, and there is SOLID overlap between improving aspects of your life for yourself that carry over into women (finances, health, etc).

HOWEVER, I believe there is this falsehood that if you dress better, work on hobbies, work on social skills, etc that you're success with women will increase. Key point - it will ONLY increase if the things you improve are to the point where it matters to most women. Also, improving said things in the absence of having other required things (outside of your control) will often result in no material progress.


Here's a good example:

-Bret is a 5'6" guy with OK social skills, a decent job, decently confident. he is your run of the mill guy. he is struggling with women so he hears the advice to "improve". he gets better at banter, get more confident, improves his career, gets ripped. However, he notices that his success with women only increases marginally, or not at all. He is forgetting that he is 5'6" and that is a limiting factor for a lot of women, no matter how much he improves. he continues to work on himself, and invests even more time and energy. taking classes on picking up women, joining toastmasters in order to not just be a confident speaker, but be incredibly charismatic. He finally gets some decent success, but at the cost of immense investment of time, energy, and money.

-Dan is 5'11", overweight, decent job, and decently confident. he is your run of the mill guy. he is struggling with women and decides to improve. he gets better at banter, get more confident, improves his career, gets ripped. suddenly women seem to approach him. women seem to respond way more positively to him, even during normal conversation. this adds to his confidence. he begins to hear from people about certain girls having crushes on him, calling him "hot" saying "wow, dan, looks good now what happened". Dan looks at old versus new photos of himself and notices that he has rockin facial aesthetics underneath the fat in his face. Obviously, he can talk to women much better now and has more to offer, but he never had women approaching him unsolicited before without getting to know his personality. its almost like things "just happen for him"


things that will make it "easy" for you to attract women. If you have these things or improve to have these things, all you need is basic social skills and your success will skyrocket
-Good Height
-Good Facial Aesthetics
-Masculine Frame/Image

things that will require men to have to invest a significant amount of energy/time/etc in order to get the same level of success as the above. example - you will need to be insanely good a game/confidence/etc in order to have decent success
-short
-smaller frame/etc
-poor to average facial aesthetics (less so if you are tall)
-general feminine appearance

he problem is that that level of effort to compensate in today's dating culture is so high that many men just don't think its worth the effort. "So, in order to attract the kind of women I want I need to have salesman level charisma, dress in perfectly coordinated clothes, be muscular, have a nice pad, have a good social circle etc". that is the message they are receiving - and a lot of these men would rather invest their time elsewhere



TL;DR - You can either be tall/good looking/masculine and just be your confident self or be average/feminine/smaller framed etc and have to invest a significant amount of time, energy, and money to have a similar level of success.