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» It turns out, masks don't work at all. Wearing them is merely a show of compliance.
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Originally Posted By sooby
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised a month from now the headline would be:

"Cloth masks actually worsen the spread of coronavirus and cause immune system problems in it's wearers"
It can worsen it - if people touch their masks. Meaning they take the moisture from their mask - to their hand - then wipe it everywhere. Wash your hands. Adjust your masks /at the ears/ and wash your hands.
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christ, some of you highschool college science students really lack common sense and its frightening considering you're trying to prescribe analysis to research

Containing droplets decreases risk to others around you, its been shown in multiple studies. No one gives a **** about your layman analysis's except the other idiots that think masks are somehow a political affiliation/ statement to affirm the confirmation bias they get from ******** and the like
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The issue is that it is all about "compliance" and politics at this point

I see the argument that wearing a mask would help contain the spread, but politicians are going to(and have) taken advantage of this "compliance" and have phucked over millions of businesses and people

If governors actually cared about helping people(and this was a perfect world), I wouldn't see it as a yuge deal, but they don't

You cannot tell me that, Phil Murphy for instance, not opening gyms or allowing indoor dining, but allowing casinos and everything else under the sun to open, isn't all about backstabbing small businesses that went against his "orders"

He also calls people knuckleheads for not wearing a mask, when NJ has had 13000 deaths with a population of around 10,000,000 people, while 6500+ of those deaths were from nursing homes(him and Cuomo sent an order to put sick people in nursing homes, he refuses to even acknowledge it or answer any questions)

Fact of the matter is that we have gotten tenfolds better at treating the virus, and our death rates have plummeted

The fear mongering and compliance has got to stop, it's run it's course and politicians(erm socialists) need to give people their lives back

You see all the news on the media is about the number of cases, and not deaths anymore? Yeah...

But yeah keep complying!
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Plenty of evidence that masks are effective, here's one study for instance looking at a german city compared to a control group






Face Masks Considerably Reduce
COVID-19 Cases in Germany:
A Synthetic Control Method Approach


http://ftp.iza.org/dp13319.pdf
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Originally Posted By Reliance012
Asymptomatic =\= pre-symptomatic. I don’t know why that concept is so hard for you people to understand. There have been a half dozen publications at minimum which show a huge portion of transmission occurs before symptoms. We’re talking ~40%.
if you can't admit that a lot of information that is coming out even from the same organizations is conflicting at best, i'm not sure what to tell you. of course it would be difficult to understand.
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Not knocking ITT, but that entire SOTT.net site that OP references is comically full of conspiracy theories and misinformation. Just look at the home page lol.

Just saying misc, take all info from these sites with a grain of salt.
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Originally Posted By sooby
if you can't admit that a lot of information that is coming out even from the same organizations is conflicting at best, i'm not sure what to tell you. of course it would be difficult to understand.
This is why you use the totality of information on a subject to come to a conclusion rather than single studies and data. The overwhelming scientific opinion on the subject is clear that masks reduce the viral load exhalation to those around you regardless of some "conflicting information" in the media

also ****ing lol at op's source... I guarantee you that meta-analysis is conflating data
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Originally Posted By xbluexhawkx
The issue is that it is all about "compliance" and politics at this point

I see the argument that wearing a mask would help contain the spread, but politicians are going to(and have) taken advantage of this "compliance" and have phucked over millions of businesses and people

If governors actually cared about helping people(and this was a perfect world), I wouldn't see it as a yuge deal, but they don't

You cannot tell me that, Phil Murphy for instance, not opening gyms or allowing indoor dining, but allowing casinos and everything else under the sun to open, isn't all about backstabbing small businesses that went against his "orders"

He also calls people knuckleheads for not wearing a mask, when NJ has had 13000 deaths with a population of around 10,000,000 people, while 6500+ of those deaths were from nursing homes(him and Cuomo sent an order to put sick people in nursing homes, he refuses to even acknowledge it or answer any questions)

Fact of the matter is that we have gotten tenfolds better at treating the virus, and our death rates have plummeted

The fear mongering and compliance has got to stop, it's run it's course and politicians(erm socialists) need to give people their lives back

You see all the news on the media is about the number of cases, and not deaths anymore? Yeah...

But yeah keep complying!
Isn't it funny how the countries that are totally on board with masks are.....uh open now?
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Originally Posted By Smithers115
This is why you use the totality of information on a subject to come to a conclusion rather than single studies and data. The overwhelming scientific opinion on the subject is clear that masks reduce the viral load exhalation to those around you regardless of some "conflicting information" in the media

also ****ing lol at op's source... I guarantee you that meta-analysis is conflating data
it isn't just coming from the media, as i've said even the very same organizations and people have contradicted themselves at some point.
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Originally Posted By Johnez
Isn't it funny how the countries that are totally on board with masks are.....uh open now?
It's absolutely hilarious how this is conveniently ignored
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Originally Posted By bartosh
It's absolutely hilarious how this is conveniently ignored
geography class not even once
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Originally Posted By sooby
it isn't just coming from the media, as i've said even the very same organizations and people have contradicted themselves at some point.
Can you give examples of the contradictions?

Its almost like there has been a pandemic and medical researchers have been scrambling to give the best information possible based on the available data as it comes out...
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Originally Posted By xbluexhawkx
The issue is that it is all about "compliance" and politics at this point
this is the issue in the states, you're all played like fiddles by political parties...
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Originally Posted By MaxMaximorum
I am not for the lockdowns but this is not rocket science
https://www.fast.ai/2020/06/26/particle-sizes/

The virus is contained in droplets and a mask stops a high % of droplets from free floating in the air.
This is complete bullchit.

If you don't have any symptoms, you won't spread it. The idea that you may be asymptomatic and still have a high degree of spreading it is insane. WHO already pointed that out a few weeks ago.

They literally said asymptomatic spread is the highest percentage of cases, and then 2 months later said that asymptomatic spread was "very rare."

If you wear a mask you are a complete idiot. In every respect. You're fully participating in the suppression of society.

Why do you think they did this? Notice how all the protests happened at the same time masks became necessary? And now you can't identify people, despite wearing masks being illegal in a political protest setting.
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Originally Posted By VisionaryLarry
This is complete bullchit.

If you don't have any symptoms, you won't spread it. The idea that you may be asymptomatic and still have a high degree of spreading it is insane. WHO already pointed that out a few weeks ago.

They literally said asymptomatic spread is the highest percentage of cases, and then 2 months later said that asymptomatic spread was "very rare."

If you wear a mask you are a complete idiot. In every respect. You're fully participating in the suppression of society.

Why do you think they did this? Notice how all the protests happened at the same time masks became necessary? And now you can't identify people, despite wearing masks being illegal in a political protest setting.
so the question posed from this, assuming asymptomatic people dont spread, if the virus has an incubation period before becoming symptomatic (aka before you get visibly ill) and youre able to spread to other people, HOW DOES SOMEONE KNOW THEY'RE SPREADING BEFORE THEY GET SICK OR ARE ABLE TO PERFORM A POSITIVE TEST

The short answer is you cant. So clearly wearing a mask is going to be a positive step to decreasing the virus spreading...

BUT please, tell me more about how wearing a mask to the grocery suppresses society...

Also, your last statement is full of ****... Masks werent suddenly a thing when floyd protests began, this has been an issue for months and that statement is disingenuous as fuk
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Originally Posted By VisionaryLarry
This is complete bullchit.

If you don't have any symptoms, you won't spread it. The idea that you may be asymptomatic and still have a high degree of spreading it is insane. WHO already pointed that out a few weeks ago.

They literally said asymptomatic spread is the highest percentage of cases, and then 2 months later said that asymptomatic spread was "very rare."

If you wear a mask you are a complete idiot. In every respect. You're fully participating in the suppression of society.

Why do you think they did this? Notice how all the protests happened at the same time masks became necessary? And now you can't identify people, despite wearing masks being illegal in a political protest setting.
you can have syphilis and be asymptomatic and still spread it. your argument is retarded.
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Originally Posted By Johnez
Isn't it funny how the countries that are totally on board with masks are.....uh open now?
Places like Sweden, South Korea never closed and they had some of the best outcomes meanwhile in America, we had empty suits telling us a different thing every day and coming up with cute little buzzwords like "Alone together" to put on Instagram rather than actually fixing the problem.
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Originally Posted By badreligion
Places like Sweden, South Korea never closed and they had some of the best outcomes meanwhile in America, we had empty suits telling us a different thing every day and coming up with cute little buzzwords like "Alone together" to put on Instagram rather than actually fixing the problem.
so... masks worked?
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Originally Posted By Smithers115
Can you give examples of the contradictions?

Its almost like there has been a pandemic and medical researchers have been scrambling to give the best information possible based on the available data as it comes out...
No they aren't LMAO.

Timeline:

-Early March all health organizations, doctors, and medical researches said that masks don't work and aren't necessary if you don't have the virus or show any symptoms. All research decades prior approve of this message, given that people without being sick wearing a mask is unnecessary and useless.

-Mid April, all health organizations and Fauci go back on what they said about mask wearing, saying that their original statement was to prevent people from buying masks so we didn't run out of supply for health workers. (absolutely insidious and untrue. My work sells masks, sanitizer, gloves, etc.)

-Late April to May 1st all health organizations say asymptomatic spread is the highest cause of spread, and spraying droplets is the reason, not touching of surfaces.

-June 8th, WHO says asymptomatic spread is very rare and not infectious, which renders their mask wearing narrative null and void.

-Days later, WHO "clarifies" statement because people boo'd and yelled at them given the hypocrisy and blatant lying. They say they do not have enough information yet. BULL****

-Current times, OMG MAKE MASKS MANDATORY AGAIN BECAUSE TRUMP RALLIES AND BARS ARE MAKING PEOPLE SICK. Zero logical consistency. Zero reliability. Testing explodes in volume, hence cases explode in volume, many of them false positives on asymptomatic people. Deaths lowering.


This entire thing is a sham and a narrative. It was all a money grab. We just had the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of the WORLD as major corporations and banks received trillions of dollars, and other major corporations made billions of dollars while the small businesses in the same markets were forced to close receiving no money, crushing the middle class and small businesses.

Major politically funded riots took place where everyone was masked, which is no longer illegal because it's considered health safety instead of concealing your identity while committing a crime (felony). None of them needed to wear a mask anyways.

Governors are allowing take overs of their territory by rogue groups, crime to destroy their cities, statues, land, and citizens properties with no recourse.

And we're talking about wearing masks which has zero basis in science to wear if you don't have the virus WITH SYMPTOMS.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
And South Korea is a country where people are used to wearing masks - and that was before Covid19.

Thanks for confirming that masks do work.
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so... masks worked?
Again, Certain types of masks, specifically ones designed to protect against viral particles but cloth masks/bandannas offer very little protection if any. Did masks play a part in it? Possibly but it was more of the swift response by the countries rather than the games played by the empty suits in America.
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Originally Posted By RocknRollMuscle
define "work".

purpose of masks is to SLOW DOWN viral load.

And by looking at lower # of cases in nyc, canada, uk, italy, seems to work well.

Look at areas where people don't gaf like southern states, cali, mexico, brazil, etc. caseds skyrocketing.
Btw, the ratio of provisional deaths to provisional confirmed cases, Italy far surpasses the US. Then adjusted for population, the US has .8% of the population that is considered a confirmed case, while Italy is .4%.

Yea cases are SKYROCKETING because of increased testing, the addition of anti-body testing being added to the confirmed cases, and high amounts of false positive testing.

400 tyson chick employees tested positive for covid, not one had any symptoms. Shut down.

The fact that you put faith into numbers despite knowing that they are completely fluffed and a mixture of misleading information, is unbelievable.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
BuT hOw doEs tHe ViruS KnOw whAt tyPe of MaSK PeoPle ArE WeArinG?

Surely you know the difference between masks that are made specifically to protect against a virus and what some clown made in their house with a piece of fabric from Walmart
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Originally Posted By VisionaryLarry
No they aren't LMAO.

Timeline:

-Early March all health organizations, doctors, and medical researches said that masks don't work and aren't necessary if you don't have the virus or show any symptoms. All research decades prior approve of this message, given that people without being sick wearing a mask is unnecessary and useless.

Im not sure what youre talking about, plenty of outbreaks in the past have occured... A bunch of healthcare workers in canada died from sars years ago from improper use of ppe... I dont think you're educationally or have researched this topic enough to make this statement

-Mid April, all health organizations and Fauci go back on what they said about mask wearing, saying that their original statement was to prevent people from buying masks so we didn't run out of supply for health workers. (absolutely insidious and untrue. My work sells masks, sanitizer, gloves, etc.)

large hospitals were running out of ppe during the beginning of the pandemic. One of my friends works in a surgical floor in toronto, they literally were cutting sheets apart to make makeshift masks for staff in February and march due to the lack of ppe... Theres a reason why any health-related social media was posting about the unsafe work conditions front line workers faced... Thankfully my small hospital didnt have ppe shortages


-Late April to May 1st all health organizations say asymptomatic spread is the highest cause of spread, and spraying droplets is the reason, not touching of surfaces.

-June 8th, WHO says asymptomatic spread is very rare and not infectious,
This just in, science changes you **** wit

which renders their mask wearing narrative null and void.

no it doesnt, people before they show symptoms can spread if they arent asymptomatic.... Unless you test positive or show symptoms you wouldnt know you have covid, and if you dont know you have covid and can spread you would benefit those around you with a mask

-Days later, WHO "clarifies" statement because people boo'd and yelled at them given the hypocrisy and blatant lying. They say they do not have enough information yet. BULL****

this is a non sequetitor that has no merrit to what youre saying... ignorant people boo'd, riveting evidence pal

-Current times, OMG MAKE MASKS MANDATORY AGAIN BECAUSE TRUMP RALLIES AND BARS ARE MAKING PEOPLE SICK. Zero logical consistency. Zero reliability. Testing explodes in volume, hence cases explode in volume, many of them false positives on asymptomatic people. Deaths lowering.

are you unironically making the "cases are only big cause were testing more argument?


This entire thing is a sham and a narrative. It was all a money grab. We just had the greatest transfer of wealth in the history of the WORLD as major corporations and banks received trillions of dollars, and other major corporations made billions of dollars while the small businesses in the same markets were forced to close receiving no money, crushing the middle class and small businesses.

ya a lot of business made a killing, example amazon.... What does this have to do with masks? Again, nonsequiter...

Major politically funded riots took place where everyone was masked, which is no longer illegal because it's considered health safety instead of concealing your identity while committing a crime (felony). None of them needed to wear a mask anyways.

mate, you're watching too much alex jones...

Governors are allowing take overs of their territory by rogue groups, crime to destroy their cities, statues, land, and citizens properties with no recourse.

what does this have to do with masks?

And we're talking about wearing masks which has zero basis in science to wear if you don't have the virus WITH SYMPTOMS.
again... for the third time, there is an incubation period where the virus can spread before symptoms occur, do i need to say it again?
bro, you are legitimately brainwashed by some poverty right wing website thorugh this nonsensical gish gallop
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Originally Posted By Anachron
So you are saying everyone in South Korea specifically wore N95 masks at minimum, and were trained in the proper use of such?

Or are you saying that someone sneezing directly in your face is the same as someone sneezing into a mask that's not specifically made to protect against a virus.

Oh and most N95 masks are made to protect the wearer, not everyone else, since they are vented. Sounds like you need to do some research - and stop being unbiased.
You are just playing semantics, you aren't that dense you know what I was talking about.

So N95 masks are meant to protect the wearer, isn't that the point?
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Originally Posted By Johnez
Isn't it funny how the countries that are totally on board with masks are.....uh open now?
they don't have "democrat" as one of their political parties.
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Originally Posted By Smithers115
bro, you are legitimately brainwashed by some poverty right wing website thorugh this nonsensical gish gallop
I gave you a real timeline the actions of the most powerful health organizations in the world, and you give two anecdotes from a local hospital, said I am the an alex jones conspirator (what?), and said "SCIENCE CHANGES DURRR"

So you're saying we should force everyone to wear masks based on medical science and research that has zero validity based on the stipulations of medical research because of the inconsistency. WHO, the World Health Organization, said the asymptomatic spread was very rare. Any infectious disease or virus spreading from asymptomatic spread with ZERO SYMPTOMS is RARE. You throwing out the term "incubation period" along with the idea that a single mask is going to prevent or help prevent the spread of the common flu, is laughable. No way people think like this.

Imagine saying I am not educationally researched on a topic after you said "I know about a SARS outbreak in a hospital that killed workers with improper PPE." That isn't even an argument.

Also, you realize the media lies? I know multiple doctors and nurses working in Chicago hospitals, as well as plumbers working in those hospitals that have said this is way overblown. Hence why we took down the medical set up at the Mcormick center in Chicago because it only held 12 people during the highest infection rate of the virus.

You think mask wearing is purely for preventable action from spreading the basic flu, yet completely dismiss the other factors that have played along side this entire narrative. Idk if you just couldn't intelligently discuss what I said about economic and political issues (You probably aren't educationally adept enough for it), or you are just lazy argumentatively. I sense low pattern recognition IQ on your end.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
I know you're not dense enough to not know that no, that isn't the point.

Good job deflecting though, completely missed both of my questions.

You're intentionally intellectually dishonest. B)
I'm willing to learn, explain.
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Originally Posted By Johnez
Isn't it funny how the countries that are totally on board with masks are.....uh open now?
North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana have never had cucked mask or closing policies and have never had a problem. Hmmm maybe other factors are at play
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