And in some cases you got to stick with the app for 7-10 days minimum, because your profile may not be shown to girls you are swiping right on. You have to remember that 75% of Tinder users are male.

don’t mass swipe, u only get a limited amount a day although i have never reached the max.

Oh I see, just sounds like location then brah, not much can do about that.
When I was in TX I’d get about 20-30.
I live by a tourist town and near 4 universities, with tons of girls home so mine is inflated now. In Places like NYC could get even more but it’s all location.
Plus doesn’t really make a difference the same with gold, but the boost does.
Pretty much this, is what sucks most about online. Regularly get ghosted on by average broads or don’t get matches on other apps be cause my height, but wouldn’t have to worry about that IRL when things eventually open back up.

They're rigged. They haven't gotten worse in the past few months...they've beengettingworse for the better part of a decade, at this point. Tinder, Bumble, and similar apps have put up a paywall. If you aren't paying, you aren't matching. I'd say more than half the lifespan for these apps, they've now been completely useless for guys trying to score. For women they remain the cock buffets they always were. If a woman is paying for Tinder she must be absolutely hideous.

Dating apps circa 2012 - 2015 though? Was like fishing with dynamite. The algorithms didn't intentionally hide the girls who swiped right on you to try to trick you into a monthly subscription. Tinder used to do the opposite and show you the interested girls who swiped rightfirst. You'd get 12 - 30 matches right off the bat, right in a row. Nowadays you're lucky to get a match a month as a guy. I used to clean up on there, and now I will glance at it for a few weeks every other year to see if it's still broken. It'll show me "8 girls want to meet you!" Then three weeks later, same 8 profiles hidden behind the fuzzy photo filter, asking me to pay to see their profiles.

It's pay to play now.

Back in the day it was cool and new to get on tinder and hit up people. You’d see normal people; nowadays you see outcasts, women with kids, trashy tatted women, or women with absolutely no achievements or goals in life. Proper women who are hard working, responsible and busy with careers are not online, they have too much going on to be going on dates with strangers.

Tinder learned that men will jump through hoops just to get their dink sucked by a 2/10 and capitalized on the market unfortunately.

The problem is that Tinder literally has the live data to back that statement up, too

Thank god I'm no longer in the dating scene

Society currently ostracizes and penalizes any shred of hetero male sexuality, whilst simultaneously force-feeding women the notion of complete and utter degeneracy and sluttiness is "empowerment."

Of course these apps treat men like sugar daddies. That's the current culture

the slutty ones are usually the 5/10s and under who never got chad attention irl and get chads left and right on these apps

I think, in a way that's both true and untrue. Masculine sexuality can be manifested in a way that is admired by women. There are, of course, crowds that claim they dislike masculine energy. But what is said does not equal what is meant. The male who suppresses his masculine energy entirely will always be forgotten for the male who is wholly male. Here's a great example; look at Will Smith. He's getting dragged for not being the type of masculine figure that society expected him to be. Nobody is saying "Will is so brave!" for letting another man sleep with his wife.

Truth is there are groups that claim they want docile men. But they don't.

Yes, we have become more liberal in our views of female sexuality, which is a double-edged sword for some. For the men that reap the benefits of this, it's an incredibly positive thing. For those men that do not, unfortunately, it may feel as though the world is collapsing.

I wasn't talking about just the apps there. I was talking about how society functions and how that reflects in the dating apps. But more app specific...

Tinder to girls:"Yassss queen, get that dick! Link your venmo! Solicit cash pigs!"
Tinder to guys:"Wait, you're ogling females on a hookup app?! BAD! BAD! Pay us a monthly fee to even see who swiped right on you! AND SWIPE RIGHT ON THAT MTF YOU 'PHOBE!"Masculine energy is what works and always will work with most women. The overwhelming majority of women are still attracted to that energy. Boys think"girls just like the jerks!"Men know"Girls are disgusted by pushovers."But I'm talking about society, culture, and how the media portrays things. I've been on both sides - had very long dry spells, and I've been part of the 20% that is cleaning house. Rampant hypergamy isn't an "Incredibly positive thing" even when you're commanding the harems. It's ultimately damaging mentally, spiritually, and oftentimes physically if you like hitting it raw. The monetization of the divorce / dissolving of the family unit has had horrific consequences. All of us getting to smash out a few dozen chicks before we finally settle down isn't worth all this extra cultural baggage.

The question then becomes; "What's the fix?"

I mean, do we start telling people that sex isn't the be all end all to life? I've been doing that for a while. Society has sold the idea to men that sex is a basic need, which it is not. But society is happy to continue to encourage men to pursue these base desires because it makes money.

Sex, like fitness products is sold through insecurity.

The truth is that in the end, we have to stop being complicit in these things as men.

To answer title question: yes.

Hinge is the only app with quality women, the problem is that the userbase is drastically smaller.

I downloaded bumble the other day and deleted it within a few hours...

I swiped right maybe 3 times on someone attractive after a few hours. I think it's just over saturated right now.

Problem is it's almost impossible to get this message through to someone without them experiencing the other side. I didn't stop being a beta loser obsessed with getting laid until I started being able to get laid whenever I wanted.

I have less sex now than I did 2 years ago, even though now I have way more willing potential partners that I actively turn down.

It's essentially grass-is-always-greener syndrome. Once you start being able to sleep with the women you thought were unattainable, you realize you never cared about the sex to begin with and it was just a way to cope with bad self esteem.

the tinder golden age is long over boyo

Slut shaming should've never went away. OnlyFans and Snapchat Premium shouldn't be glorified. The media should be held accountable for the rampant degeneracy they're pushing on young girls. Men should stop being molded into limp-wristed little twinks. Society should stop coddling women and dehumanizing men, because both demographics are oppressed in different fashions. Yea, historically, women were treated like sex objects...and men were treated like labor objects. Is being a stay-at-home mom worse than dying in a coal mine?

Basically, all the cultural Marxism and extremist feminism is poisoning minds and needs to be drained out like a snake bite.

Another side of it is the irony culture, the whole post-modernist "I'm bad at things and I wear self-diagnosed mental illnesses on my sleeve and my lack of talent makes me quirky."All that bullsh!t needs to stop just as much as the Evangelical activism. The world isn't an Improv Comedy stage, and this generation of *******s running around acting like Spongebob on his first day of work need to chop a few cords of wood to build character.

If you're a 9/10 man like me it is always good, now or 4 years ago

You're being suppressed because youre on the free version OP, theyve been doing this for a few years now. That want everyone to pay at a minimum to even get matches.

Abandon that bullchit and use insta or something else

If your insta game is even remotely good you'll get more success from DMing girls.

Just do as follows:

Follow cutie
Wait for follow back
Like 2-3 pics of HER (not her dog, friends, or whatever)
Wait for her to do the same
Slide in and get number ezpz

Step 1: delete all social media

Step 2: Talk to people and hang out with them

Step 3: meet a girl and get her phone number

step 4: call her and talk to her. If you like talking to her arrange a time to hang out or meet up/ if she is weird or you dont like talking to her go back to step 2

Step 5: meet up with girl. Its all up to you how you do this. What I do is pick her up from her house and drive. We do what I want. dinner, walk the beach, go for drinks, go hiking during the day and show her the caves, go to the abandoned ghost town cemetery in the forest I found, etc.

Step 6: you either take her home or suggest "drinking wine and listening to your black sabbath vinyl or other band collection on your record player". Depends on if she is a whore to be used or if she is a woman to be respected.

Step 7: If she refuses and isnt a whore you invite her to church. You pick her up. Bring her to church. Sit there for church. Go for lunch. Take her home.

Talk to her on the phone and get to know her more.

Step 8: Take her somewhere nice and ask her to marry you.

Step 9: get married. Move all her stuff into your house. Make her pregnant.

You forgot step 10: You never gave her your legal name so you can now bail out without worrying about child support and then start over with 1

Yeah theyve all gotten much worse this summer.

What happens when low-tier sloots with nothing beyond looks going for them don't get as much IRL attention as they're used to.
Same reason onlyfans had such a spike, it was never the money, it was the approval from strangers.

Average dad bod guys still have girlfriends tho so it's not like its impossible to find girls. But they probably didn't meet them on tinder so there's that. Better for non chad guys to meet girls through friends or irl , like most guys you see walking around with gfs

Yeah they are dogchit nowadays. Most girls just want vemmo/cashapp money or snapchat/instagram follwers

Honestly going forward the obvious answer is vitamin T + good pics + Hinge

I matched with HBBs on tinder with a good but lightweight natty physique in 2018-2019 after I left uni, but 2020 something happened. To be fair I’m asian, but still have height and online I used to be able to overcome that with a physique pic with quality abs, not anymore

Edit: who knows, maybe my physique needed more mass because I looked fairly dyel, but it’s kind of a head scratcher now that this has amounted to the fact that dudes are expected to have a top notch physique while girls just need to jog here and there and not be fat

Those average dad bod guys will come onto the misc or even worse places within 2 years once their girls realize how high their own SMV is compared to their beta bux’s

I’ve observed it myself irl. Those friends of mine started hitting the gym harder too but their physiques are still subpar by today’s standards, so they’re still SOL

Hinge is the best advice. Less girls, but a higher % of them are worth engaging.
Tinder girls know they're in complete control of the app's dynamics, but on hinge since you only get 10 likes (unless you pay), guys are just as picky as the girls.

Right now they have gotten a lot worse because of Covid-19 depending on your location. But overall, dating apps have become more saturated with users. There are ton more people on dating apps which makes it difficult to build a connection due to the amount of options.