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post 1611119431 07-20-2020, 04:56 AM
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Eh, wont happen anyway cuz it will never be 1 on 1. Even if Russia will side with China, the Allies is still too powerful.

That said, this is why like I posted before, Japan should be allowed to have an army that can join international wars(their current one is for defense only). It can greatly help. Back in WW2, they almost destroyed China.
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Originally Posted By Dogolog22⏩
'In a simulation'

If you think those are 100% accurate and predict the future, I got some bad news.

Do I think the U.S would steam roll China with ease? No.

Am I open to the possibility of China being victorious in a war? Yes.

Am I going to base my final thought on who would win in a full out war(not just a single battle) based on a war-game scenario? Absolutely not.
It's worse than that... that particular article they used a fuking video game 'Command' to do the simulation.

The other link is a. Australian news site, using unnamed sources, and even that one they admit the simulations are set up to fail. They are testing the limits of the fleet.
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Don't attack China then.

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post 1611120321 07-20-2020, 05:19 AM
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I mean if push comes to shove.......

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Originally Posted By bemyguest⏩
It wouldnt be war with just China. Russia as well. Ggs boys.
nah russians would love if china was gone. they'd be able to dominate asia
post 1611120451 07-20-2020, 05:22 AM
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Everybody loses wars these days.

Look at USA in Afghanistan or Iraq. Everybody was a loser.

China vs USA would by that x 10000000
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Originally Posted By MrDevereaux⏩
I mean if push comes to shove.......

Doesn't that still show America losing to Russia?
post 1611121131 07-20-2020, 05:36 AM
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Originally Posted By mcdojo⏩
Doesn't that still show America losing to Russia?
Not sure, it's pretty even and guess it would depend on a lot of factors. Just wanted to show how minute China's nuclear arsenal is compared to the US (and Russia).
post 1611121321 07-20-2020, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted By ScottTil⏩
to be fair this is just about an invasion of Chinas tiny neighbor Taiwan. No chit it would be tough to defend
I think before engaging in such a conflict, we really need to address our position as world police.

We failed in ****lia, Beirut, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, not necessarily because of our war fighting abilities, but more so because of our intentions and reasons for entering in the first place.

Maybe we knock off the insanity and stop doing that.

Granted, this would be a conventional war (vs insurgency), with a more clearly defined enemy with rules of engagement that match a conventional war. Which on the surface seems like it would be easier to maintain public support (which is absolutely necessary), but at the same time, our military is no longer experienced in.

While a large amount of OE training over the past decade has been changing focus from insurgency back to conventional war, there is no actual experience left in our ranks.

I hate to say it as much as I hate to think it, I don’t want to let Taiwan fall at all, but man, we have to really consider this cost to be benefit ratio before engaging.

At a minimum, we would need strong support from the international community, not just with agreeing solidarity, but with their soldiers, equipment, tactics, non-war related diplomacy strategies, etcetera.
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Originally Posted By mcdojo⏩
USA has been investing in aircraft carriers, but China been investing in intercontinental hypersonics.

I often see American's boasting about how many aircraft carriers they have compared to the rest of the world, but Aircraft carriers are fking obsolute.
I have been to place you will never be able to get to. An island of only army personnel in the pacific ocean situated will before stuff passes through to get anywhere close to USA. You don't know sht bro. You think China invest in whatever while USA does what USA does. Just LOL Good luck with the China built "hypersonic" missiles LOL
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Originally Posted By jackamo2887⏩
If we are ever in an "all out war" with China there won't be any winner. We're all ****ed.
Pretty much this, Nuclear holocaust here we come.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Wait why do we care about Taiwan.
Democracy should be protected against communism and any type of authoritarian government as much as possible.

It isn’t necessarily about Taiwan, but more so a free sovereign nation, and the values that come with that.

We don’t like bullies.
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Originally Posted By Silencespeaks⏩
Wait why do we care about Taiwan.
because thats the last place actual chinese live, the communist party wanted to execute them, its a communist thing, much like russias purge or german ww2 destruction of the jews.

china does not like people who have free thought, they will harvest your organs instead.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
Democracy should be protected against communism and any type of authoritarian government as much as possible.

It isn’t necessarily about Taiwan, but more so a free sovereign nation, and the values that come with that.

We don’t like bullies.
”Free" for us to exploit their natural resources and force their population into serfdom like we did for the last 200 years?
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Originally Posted By mcdojo⏩
Lmao usa cannot even beat Canada!
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Doesn't that still show America losing to Russia?
When we're measuring nuclear warheads in the thousands, a couple hundred doesnt matter in the slightest
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Originally Posted By Kev1972⏩
”Free" for us to exploit their natural resources and force their population into serfdom like we did for the last 200 years?
I’m pretty sure Taiwan has only been a sovereign nation since the end of the Cold War, so I’m not sure where you are getting that we have been exploiting them for 200 years.

That being said, what natural resources are we exploiting? And how are we oppressing their population?

I’m unaware and have never been exposed to this dialogue.
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Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
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When we're measuring nuclear warheads in the thousands, a couple hundred doesnt matter in the slightest
The great nation of Canada ransacked and burned the whitehouse black in 1812, watch your ****ing mouth. We will ride in again and do it all over.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
I’m pretty sure Taiwan has only been a sovereign nation since the end of the Cold War, so I’m not sure where you are getting that we have been exploiting them for 200 years.

That being said, what natural resources are we exploiting? And how are we oppressing their population?

I’m unaware and have never been exposed to this dialogue.
US and euros were chitting on that country for hundreds of years. It's how the communists were able to gather enough support to overthrow the puppet government.

Our domestic ideals of freedom never extended to captured territories.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
The great nation of Canada ransacked and burned the whitehouse black in 1812, watch your ****ing mouth. We will ride in again and do it all over.
im canadian you dip**** hahaha, we've already established this when you wanted to illegally vote for trump xD
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Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
im canadian you dip**** hahaha, we've already established this when you wanted to illegally vote for trump xD
established that the usa white house got burnt black?
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
established that the usa white house got burnt black?
that im canadian, why the hell would you use burning the whitehouse as some sort of insult to me

(I know you're in bc but damn fam, its too early for the gg#4)
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These types of things come out differently all of the time. I had read an article a few years back and it was if every country in the world attacked the US on their home soil, and the winner ended up being the US. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. China is a strong country, but if they went to war with the US, each sides allies would come up to fight. I couldn't imagine another world war over territory, and the next war will be about natural resources.

I don't think in any scenario China would win attacking the US, just as the US wouldn't win if they attacked China. Home field advantage would play a huge role.
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Before invading Iraq the war games were so one-sided with Iraq winning that the pentagon stepped in and changed the rules so the general controlling Iraq (in the game) could only do what the pentagon allowed him to do.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mill...Challenge_2002
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lol, does China even have a working submarine?
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Originally Posted By p100⏩
Before invading Iraq the war games were so one-sided with Iraq winning that the pentagon stepped in and changed the rules so the general controlling Iraq (in the game) could only do what the pentagon allowed him to do.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mill...Challenge_2002
I don't think 2002 came before 1992.
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Psychological warfare and deception.

Let the enemy think you're weak so they stop inventing in developing technologies to beat you.

When they run their secret war scenarios based on their intelligence you beat them. But you release results that they beat you and they start questioning their intelligence and if your military is actually as advanced as what they think.

Kind of like then they had SEAL teams 1 and 2 then made 6 so the enemies started to freak out thinking they missed teams 3,4,5.

Besides Nuclear war, an unleashed US army has no competition on this planet. Not even every country combined can beat them. Inb4 Vietnam and Afghanistan, imagine those wars with no rules no chains and massive moral support from the civilian population. Also a land invasion of the US is almost impossible besides the soft cities where guns are basically illegal.
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China can't even make buildings that don't break down within a few years just LMAO
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