Having a nice jawline and ripped abs?

I feel like having that with a bit of muscle all over for a well-balanced physique (i.e. something that takes a while to do as a natty) is infinitely better than trying to sizemog everyone if you’re in an area where you can wear tank tops or be shirtless for most of the year. Even if you sacrifice strength.

I bet a 12% bf dude who only does compound lifts and trains abs with weight directly will categorically mog another 12% guy who does a brosplit for an aesthetic overall shape and hardly hits abs at all, most else being similar. Rectus abdominis is simply the most important muscle group for female attraction and dwarfs all others.

If any of you natties ever bulk up you better hit abs, because that’s the only way you’ll get any meaningful ab hypertrophy

On the other hand if you live in the cold you’re probably best off either cellteching or getting to 15-16% bf and being big

Lol that’s what you call too big. Ideal physique for women is half natty (b+c or multiple 500 mg cycles) with ripped abs and minimal Norwood/glow reapers

>2020, social media, clown world
>women don’t care unless you’re a bloatlord

Pick 1

Aesthetics in general are pretty overrated by the misc (srs). As long as you're in shape (sub-20% bf and built or 12%ish and not a twink), you're already in the top 25% of males. After that, it's more about personality and putting yourself out there. Yes, being really good looking opens certain doors that are otherwise locked, but only a very, very small group of dudes are so attractive they get hoes just by virtue of being considered attractive. Most dudes have to learn how to flirt/interact with women and/or have a good career or other **** going on in their life besides the gym/macros to punch above their weight.

No that’s redpill cope. Looks and personality both matter for most dudes yes, but you’re still not going to stand out with a standard dyel/bloatlord natty physique anymore due to instagram. Not saying the gym is everything, but looksmaxxing will always help even if you’re subchad, and will make girls more receptive to whatever game/personality you do have. You underestimate how many options HBB 6’s and above have

and just being a career guy will get you even less

Face > height > dink size > everything else

Not that simple. Being lean can facemaxx you a ton, and being not lean can unfacemaxx you

Also ripped abs will give you more mogging power either way

it has about Z E R O correlation in the real world (srs)

Face > dick size

Not completely true, I've been with women who said they went for me because I was good looking, and I don't consider myself top tier looks.

Being big is canceled

Being a mass monster is a niche look. Only some girls (pretty much just ones in the fitness industry only) are into it.

For vast majority of people, it's primarily your face and personality. If your face is good, you still need a solid personality. If your face is extremely good, then you can get away with anything.

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