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07-21-2020, 04:28 PM
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How is corruption so low in the West (like US, Canada, UK, Germany etc) compared to
... countries like Russia, China, Mexico etc?
What are the mechanisms that disable?
If a mayor in the USA embezzled money, would he be caught?
Actually interested in responses. Please give insight if have read on the topic or have some insider knowledge. srs
Just curious.
What are the mechanisms that disable?
If a mayor in the USA embezzled money, would he be caught?
Actually interested in responses. Please give insight if have read on the topic or have some insider knowledge. srs
Just curious.
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Id' think because America doesn't let any group get too powerful, they go after them.
Mafia is a perfect example, they started getting to powerful so Rico statutes were created.
Mafia is a perfect example, they started getting to powerful so Rico statutes were created.
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lol thats called exceptionalism, my friend.
"only those russians/nazis/japanese/chinese test x on their own people"
bring up any REAL corruption stories about US politicians and youre immediately labeled a conspiracy theorist.
"only those russians/nazis/japanese/chinese test x on their own people"
bring up any REAL corruption stories about US politicians and youre immediately labeled a conspiracy theorist.
07-21-2020, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted By orangetide⏩
but the thing is the average person in the West leads a much better quality of life compared to those countrieslol thats called exceptionalism, my friend.
"only those russians/nazis/japanese/chinese test x on their own people"
bring up any REAL corruption stories about US politicians and youre immediately labeled a conspiracy theorist.
"only those russians/nazis/japanese/chinese test x on their own people"
bring up any REAL corruption stories about US politicians and youre immediately labeled a conspiracy theorist.
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07-21-2020, 04:36 PM
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Lmao all those countries are as corrupt as any other, they are just more discreet about it, and even then you'll hear about huge scandals that involve a chit load of high ranking officials mismanaging millions of dollars but then the media will quickly jump to the next Kardashian story
07-21-2020, 05:05 PM
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I believe its because we have a longer history of stable government and stronger institutions that prevent corruption. I know thats a blanket and not very in depth description but thats basically what it is. We are rich countries that have centuries to create strong government/democracies. New countries and generally ****ty ones like some of central/south america and asia africa are poorer and people are more desperate.
Like i remember the documentaries in Africa like Nigeria and stuff where the police were so corrupt they'd easily take bribes and the local gangs would control the flow of trade in areas of the cities and stuff. That just couldn't happen in the UK or the US for example as out police arent that desperate for money and the government is not at the mercy of criminals (like in mexico for example with the cartels)
Im not a expert but thats my interpretation.
Like i remember the documentaries in Africa like Nigeria and stuff where the police were so corrupt they'd easily take bribes and the local gangs would control the flow of trade in areas of the cities and stuff. That just couldn't happen in the UK or the US for example as out police arent that desperate for money and the government is not at the mercy of criminals (like in mexico for example with the cartels)
Im not a expert but thats my interpretation.
07-21-2020, 05:20 PM
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We have the legislative framework that allows regulatory bodies to access Government and non-Government entities. They perform checks and balances.
So it's harder and harder to hide shady chit.
So it's harder and harder to hide shady chit.
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07-21-2020, 05:22 PM
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Corruption is built in
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07-21-2020, 05:23 PM
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Checks and balances
07-21-2020, 05:25 PM
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Is this a trick question? It isn't "lower" by any reasonable number. The corruption in the US and the UK is rampant, the difference is that americans are better at hiding it and the general population has convinced themselves that their leaders arent corrupt (just as they have convinced themselves of BLM, being the "most free" country, that masks dont work against COVID, etc)
Americans excell as a society when it comes to operating as a herd and convincing themselves that they are right, pure and innocent.
American control groups are also #1 in controlling a mediatic narrative and are able to deflect or eliminate any inconsistency. If you deviate from the standard narrative you are labelled a conspiracy theorist, if you also happen to be a public leader, then you are eliminated/ commit suicide.
US/China/Russia are every bit as corrupt as Mexico, Brazil and Turkey.
Americans excell as a society when it comes to operating as a herd and convincing themselves that they are right, pure and innocent.
American control groups are also #1 in controlling a mediatic narrative and are able to deflect or eliminate any inconsistency. If you deviate from the standard narrative you are labelled a conspiracy theorist, if you also happen to be a public leader, then you are eliminated/ commit suicide.
US/China/Russia are every bit as corrupt as Mexico, Brazil and Turkey.
07-21-2020, 05:26 PM
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They are probably JUST as corrupt, only more lowkey about it.
07-21-2020, 05:29 PM
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On the lower levels, such as police, western cops are simply payed too well to risk their career over a $50 bribe. This goes along with other professions as well.
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07-21-2020, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted By orangetide⏩
Any corruption here pales in comparison to what goes on elsewhere.lol thats called exceptionalism, my friend.
"only those russians/nazis/japanese/chinese test x on their own people"
bring up any REAL corruption stories about US politicians and youre immediately labeled a conspiracy theorist.
"only those russians/nazis/japanese/chinese test x on their own people"
bring up any REAL corruption stories about US politicians and youre immediately labeled a conspiracy theorist.
Wanna know why Italy's hospitals suck so much? The mafia.
You can't get anything done in China without bribing every official and bureaucrat that you are required to interact with.
07-21-2020, 06:16 PM
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Once you start working in the real world, you should be realizing how widespread corruption is. It's naive to think otherwise.
Once you start working in the real world, you should be realizing how widespread corruption is. It's naive to think otherwise.
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07-21-2020, 06:20 PM
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Corruption is much more structured and stratified in the west. It takes a lot more to gain power here than a simple extortion plot and a few armed thugs with nothing to lose.
People would riot in the streets if they fully understood what happens between the fed and the banking industry, for instance.
People would riot in the streets if they fully understood what happens between the fed and the banking industry, for instance.
07-21-2020, 06:22 PM
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There's still a whole bunch of corruption in the west, it's just that it doesn'tusuallyaffect the everyday person, so people tend to let it slide.
Not to mention that our quality of life is infinitely better than those in corrupt countries.
Not to mention that our quality of life is infinitely better than those in corrupt countries.
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07-21-2020, 06:36 PM
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The ones who get it:
These two are too far gone, and naive:
Originally Posted By andres93⏩
Lmao all those countries are as corrupt as any other, they are just more discreet about it, and even then you'll hear about huge scandals that involve a chit load of high ranking officials mismanaging millions of dollars but then the media will quickly jump to the next Kardashian story
Originally Posted By JvilleJeff84⏩
They are probably JUST as corrupt, only more lowkey about it.
Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
Is this a trick question? It isn't "lower" by any reasonable number. The corruption in the US and the UK is rampant, the difference is that americans are better at hiding it and the general population has convinced themselves that their leaders arent corrupt (just as they have convinced themselves of BLM, being the "most free" country, that masks dont work against COVID, etc)
Americans excell as a society when it comes to operating as a herd and convincing themselves that they are right, pure and innocent.
American control groups are also #1 in controlling a mediatic narrative and are able to deflect or eliminate any inconsistency. If you deviate from the standard narrative you are labelled a conspiracy theorist, if you also happen to be a public leader, then you are eliminated/ commit suicide.
US/China/Russia are every bit as corrupt as Mexico, Brazil and Turkey.
Americans excell as a society when it comes to operating as a herd and convincing themselves that they are right, pure and innocent.
American control groups are also #1 in controlling a mediatic narrative and are able to deflect or eliminate any inconsistency. If you deviate from the standard narrative you are labelled a conspiracy theorist, if you also happen to be a public leader, then you are eliminated/ commit suicide.
US/China/Russia are every bit as corrupt as Mexico, Brazil and Turkey.
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They usually rob from other countries instead of their own
Originally Posted By orangetide⏩
The ones who don't get it:lol thats called exceptionalism, my friend.
"only those russians/nazis/japanese/chinese test x on their own people"
bring up any REAL corruption stories about US politicians and youre immediately labeled a conspiracy theorist.
"only those russians/nazis/japanese/chinese test x on their own people"
bring up any REAL corruption stories about US politicians and youre immediately labeled a conspiracy theorist.
Originally Posted By MBisonSon⏩
What in the hell? The entire country is ruled by powerful groups. Who do you think is backing lobbying groups? I can assure you it isn't the well-to-do so and so looking out for everyone else.Id' think because America doesn't let any group get too powerful, they go after them.
Mafia is a perfect example, they started getting to powerful so Rico statutes were created.
Mafia is a perfect example, they started getting to powerful so Rico statutes were created.
Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
That may explain why corruption is hidden and presented differently. If it were a country with low quality of life, the corruption would be much more transparent, to the point of being insulting to even pretend you aren't corrupt. Like a universal fact that people simply live with, as is the case in corrupt nationsbut the thing is the average person in the West leads a much better quality of life compared to those countries
Originally Posted By Rad203⏩
Just different forms of corruption. In places like you mentioned, it pays more to abuse the system that relies on resources and commoddities, where as a country like the US doesn't function in that fashion if corruption completely abused the populace. The country's wealth comes from ensuring that the country function well, without that, there's not much to take from the top. It benefits those who are corrupt that the system continues to work, than for it to fall apart and fight for relatively meaningless scraps.I believe its because we have a longer history of stable government and stronger institutions that prevent corruption. I know thats a blanket and not very in depth description but thats basically what it is. We are rich countries that have centuries to create strong government/democracies. New countries and generally ****ty ones like some of central/south america and asia africa are poorer and people are more desperate.
Like i remember the documentaries in Africa like Nigeria and stuff where the police were so corrupt they'd easily take bribes and the local gangs would control the flow of trade in areas of the cities and stuff. That just couldn't happen in the UK or the US for example as out police arent that desperate for money and the government is not at the mercy of criminals (like in mexico for example with the cartels)
Im not a expert but thats my interpretation.
Like i remember the documentaries in Africa like Nigeria and stuff where the police were so corrupt they'd easily take bribes and the local gangs would control the flow of trade in areas of the cities and stuff. That just couldn't happen in the UK or the US for example as out police arent that desperate for money and the government is not at the mercy of criminals (like in mexico for example with the cartels)
Im not a expert but thats my interpretation.
These two are too far gone, and naive:
Originally Posted By wagtail⏩
We have the legislative framework that allows regulatory bodies to access Government and non-Government entities. They perform checks and balances.
So it's harder and harder to hide shady chit.
So it's harder and harder to hide shady chit.
Originally Posted By exxtracool⏩
The best post:Checks and balances
Originally Posted By jamalfudge⏩
Lobbying is your biggest and most prevalent form of corruption, and it's built in to the system that makes the government what it is today.Corruption is built in
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Corruption in the US mainly happens behind the curtains of the private sector and corporations.
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Here's one that happened last week. Executives started telling investors they were going to be first to market with a covid vaccine.
Turns out it was a total lie, pump and dump scam. They pumped the stock price so they could sell their shares at record highs and get paid at the expense of miscer types. Technically legal, but 100% corruption.
Turns out it was a total lie, pump and dump scam. They pumped the stock price so they could sell their shares at record highs and get paid at the expense of miscer types. Technically legal, but 100% corruption.
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It's because in Democracy, corruption is literally built into the system. Stuff still functions though, corruption in the US isn't bad enough in most places where basic services go to chit.
07-21-2020, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted By ErnieMccracken⏩
Places where the govt controls the central bank are more corrupt and more unable to deal with economic disruptions.Corruption is much more structured and stratified in the west. It takes a lot more to gain power here than a simple extortion plot and a few armed thugs with nothing to lose.
People would riot in the streets if they fully understood what happens between the fed and the banking industry, for instance.
People would riot in the streets if they fully understood what happens between the fed and the banking industry, for instance.
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We are getting absolutely fleeced in the USA, I'm sure it's just as bad if not worse in the rest of the west. Foreign aid is a huge scam, it's not accounted for or audited at all. Look at Joe Biden giving Ukraine $1 billion and his kid got like $3.4 million for being a board doing nothing.
Obama gave a book publisher $350 million and wouldn't you know it, he got $65 million book deal from a company they own. Halliburton with Bush, what was that billions?
Look how much a politician is worth when they go into office, and look what they are worth after, or if they've been in for a while. Mind you, these people get salaries of only $175k to like $400k for president. You don't make $50 million by some good investments in a few years if you're coming in broke. These people are not stupid and it is not incompetence and the media covers for the whole lot of them, which is why you think corruption in the west is so low.
Also campaign donations. MFers on the supreme court get campaign donations, what sense does that make? It's a life long appointment. So what they do is they loan their campaign their own money then the campaign pays like 50% interest back to them so they extract the money from it as a loophole.
Obama gave a book publisher $350 million and wouldn't you know it, he got $65 million book deal from a company they own. Halliburton with Bush, what was that billions?
Look how much a politician is worth when they go into office, and look what they are worth after, or if they've been in for a while. Mind you, these people get salaries of only $175k to like $400k for president. You don't make $50 million by some good investments in a few years if you're coming in broke. These people are not stupid and it is not incompetence and the media covers for the whole lot of them, which is why you think corruption in the west is so low.
Also campaign donations. MFers on the supreme court get campaign donations, what sense does that make? It's a life long appointment. So what they do is they loan their campaign their own money then the campaign pays like 50% interest back to them so they extract the money from it as a loophole.
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Just a reminder that socialism is ok as long as you're a big corporation. Rugged individualism for poors, though.
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