Wait? what sick **** created Sex reassignment surgery?

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No. You can have whatever number of groups you want. We can use a weighted average of various criteria to partition the group into even just two leagues.

Dude I'm trying to be as fair as possible to everyone. Sports are dumb to begin with, and it's retarded that trans rights are being held up because ppl want to throw balls around and feel special. I get that it is unfair and I'm suggesting ways to make it nondsicriminatory and somewhat more fair, but the stupid fact of the matter is that sports just aren't fair. It's a contest of genetics and chemistry and it's just dumb. I will never understand why we waste so much taxpayer money marrying sports to academia, but that is a different thread.

Your "weighted criteria" will be unfair to more than 0.1% of the population. What about people with size 11 feet? What about arm length?

If sport is so dumb then why does it matter if a tiny minority of the population are feeling excluded? AND they are not even really excluded... they have the same right as everyone else to compete against their biological sex. They mostly want special rights to compete against the smaller, slower, weaker sex.

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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩

Your "weighted criteria" will be unfair to more than 0.1% of the population. What about people with size 11 feet? What about arm length?

If sport is so dumb then why does it matter if a tiny minority of the population are feeling excluded? AND they are not even really excluded... they have the same right as everyone else to compete against their biological sex. They mostly want special rights to compete against the smaller, slower, weaker sex.

I mean I don't feel strongly about the sport issue. Trans people have more to worry about than sports. I feel strongly that we dont reject the science of reassignment over feels. If they do end up banning trans from female sports, I will understand why. It's not the fairest thing in the world though, and it kind of opens the door to segregating leagues by bbc, etc It's not even remotely fair for poor little white boy to play vs jamal and that's exactly why the nba is like over 90% black. Yeah there are clines, but people who are best at basketball tend to be in what most call the "black" clines. And it is straight up unfair. Like the difference between the best black dudes and best white dudes in basketball is probably the same as that of an mtf and a "true" female.

And you see things like this with math. Is it fair to evaluate "black" kids in the same competitions as "asians" when we routinely see "asian" averages way higher? After all, there ARE genetic differences between the clines...

But then this fact is used to justify all sorts of racist bullshyt by ppl like dukeofwoodberry that will just make life worse for everyone.

Maybe the problem is we are so obsessed with competition and dick measuring and ranking and we aren't focused on building a collaborative world where people do the best THEY can and feel good about it. Maybe THAT is the problem.

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩

I mean I don't feel strongly about the sport issue. Trans people have more to worry about than sports. I feel strongly for us not rejecting the science of reassignment. If they do end up banning trans from female sports, I will understand why. It's not the fairest thing in the world though, and it kind of opens the door to segregating leagues by bbc, etc

But it would be fair to women so that's why you are arguing against it.

Have you seen trans prison statistics lately btw? An absurdly high amount of transwoman in prison for rape, sexual assault, sexual battery, child porn... very few actual women in prison for those crimes. What do you make of that discrepancy?

Should an intact trans woman rapist be put into a female prison... like Karen Wight was? Bearing in mind a lot of female prisoners have their children in custody with them.

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩

I mean I don't feel strongly about the sport issue. Trans people have more to worry about than sports. I feel strongly that we dont reject the science of reassignment over feels. If they do end up banning trans from female sports, I will understand why. It's not the fairest thing in the world though, and it kind of opens the door to segregating leagues by bbc, etc It's not even remotely fair for poor little white boy to play vs jamal and that's exactly why the nba is like over 90% black. Yeah there are clines, but people who are best at basketball tend to be in what most call the "black" clines. And it is straight up unfair. Like the difference between the best black dudes and best white dudes in basketball is probably the same as that of an mtf and a "true" female.

And you see things like this with math. Is it fair to evaluate "black" kids in the same competitions as asians wben we routinrly see asian averages way higher? After all, there ARE genetic differences between the clines...

Maybe the problem is we are so obsessed with competition and dick measuring and ranking and we aren't focused on building a collaborative world where people do the best THEY can and feel good about it. Maybe THAT is the problem.

Wait a second, did you just say that black people do not have the capacity to be as smart as Asians? Because of biological differences?... I would assume black people may perform less due to lack of opportunity and systematic racism... against the Asian culture of high and strict education....

I believe black people are more than capable of being just as smart as Asians, maybe even smarter if given the right education.

I do not believe that a woman will be able to magically overcome all her biological disadvantages against males. Nor do I (or science gtw) believe that a male can reduce his advantages over women by reasonable amount.

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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩

But it would be fair to women so that's why you are arguing against it.

Have you seen trans prison statistics lately btw? An absurdly high amount of transwoman in prison for rape, sexual assault, sexual battery, child porn... very few actual women in prison for those crimes. What do you make of that discrepancy?

Should an intact trans woman rapist be put into a female prison... like Karen Wight was? Bearing in mind a lot of female prisoners have their children in custody with them.

I'm not even against it. I just want there to be a fair solution. And no, contrary to the impression I may give in this forum, I do not hate women. I'm not a fan of slooting and I have not had much success finding the right woman yet. That's all.

Show the stat on absurdly high numbers. I have not seen much on this. I'll remind you that p of a given b is not p of b given a. As an example with blacks, most criminals can be black, but it doea not mean most blacks are criminals.

I would say put mtf and ftm in their own distinct prisons. It's a small enough population. As far as social contact, I am a firm believer in making prison safer and improving the qol of prisoners. I would have them play videogames (only with other prisoners) or watch tv since they can be quite cheap and a way to socially engage them, waste time, and avoid delinquent behavior.

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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩

Wait a second, did you just say that black people do not have the capacity to be as smart as Asians? Because of biological differences?... I would assume black people may perform less due to lack of opportunity and systematic racism... against the Asian culture of high and strict education....

I believe black people are more than capable of being just as smart as Asians, maybe even smarter if given the right education.

I do not believe that a woman will be able to magically overcome all her biological disadvantages against males. Nor do I (or science gtw) believe that a male can reduce his advantages over women by reasonable amount.

To be blunt, I said that blacks on average suck dick at math compared to asians. The best asians also tend to dumpster shtfuk the best blacks at math, and there is a FUKLOAD of evidence on this. But lest you think I am being racist here, the best blacks completely dominate almost everyone at sports, music, art, and other areas. Everyone is different. Every cline is different. Every "race" is different. That being said, there are always exceptions. There are black mathematicians and physicists, but they are rarer. There are asians in the NBA, but they are rarer. I'm telling it like it is. Does this justify Duke's racidt worldview of a hierarchy of races? NO. It means we are all different and have different strengths and weaknesses. We should collaborate rather than compete against each other. Do what you are best at and enjoy life, and respect and judge each other as individuals even if there are differences among populations on average. There is a mean and spread for any trait in a population.

It's absurd to pretend we are all the same. It's equally absurd to try to linearly rank the worth of human beings or races or whatever else. We should graduate beyond this line of thinking and look at what makes the most sense given what data shows and stop making everything a pissing contest.

And sports are by definition pissing contests.

I mean you can do the damn experiment. Give the exact same math test to a bunch of people all over the world and compare scores. You will see each population has its own mean and variance and there ARE statistical differences between populations. This doesn't justify discrimination because each case is still an individual to be judged on its own performance.

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩

I'm not even against it. I just want there to be a fair solution. And no, contrary to the impression I may give in this forum, I do not hate women. I'm not a fan of slooting and I have not had much success finding the right woman yet. That's all.

Show the stat on absurdly high numbers. I have not seen much on this. I'll remind you that p of a given b is not p of b given a. As an example with blacks, most criminals can be black, but it doea not mean most blacks are criminals.

I would say put mtf and ftm in their own distinct prisons. It's a small enough population.

You admit to wanting a woman but also to not dating a transwoman? Why the disparity?

Should transwomen crimes be recorded as female? Skewing crime statistics that are needed for reliable data analysis?

https://fairplayforwomen.com/trans_prison_stats_2018/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...res-show-amid/

It proves that transwoman seem to retain male pattern offending or that men are willing to claims trans status to get a chance to prey on female inmates. Both bad and unacceptable.

I agree with giving them their own distinct prisons. Though I wonder why you would suggest that given as transwoman are women to you? You are not being very inclusive here.....

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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩

You admit to wanting a woman but also to not dating a transwoman? Why the disparity?

Should transwomen crimes be recorded as female? Skewing crime statistics that are needed for reliable data analysis?

https://fairplayforwomen.com/trans_prison_stats_2018/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...res-show-amid/

It proves that transwoman seem to retain male pattern offending or that men are willing to claims trans status to get a chance to prey on female inmates. Both bad and unacceptable.

I agree with giving them their own distinct prisons. Though I wonder why you would suggest that given as transwoman are women to you? You are not being very inclusive here.....

Because I aim to procreate. If they could turn a dude perfectly into a female with zero differences, I wouldn't care.

Also, I don't want to fuk all women. That doesn't make them less of a woman. There are women I wan tto fuk and women I don't. I generally think of trannies as trannies ie mtf or ftm. But we don't have a pronoun for that so I just call them whatever they want.

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Because I aim to procreate. If they could turn a dude perfectly into a female with zero differences, I wouldn't care.

You wouldn't know if a woman was infertile until you had been trying and failing to conceive for a while... So you will only realistically be eliminating transwomen from your dating pool in that case.... That's pretty transphobic

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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩

You wouldn't know if a woman was infertile until you had been trying and failing to conceive for a while... So you will only realistically be eliminating transwomen from your dating pool in that case.... That's pretty transphobic

ok...then I must be transphobic...I don't rly care

I still will defend science and go with what evidence says and continue advocating for trans rights and fair treatment of them WHILE ALSO seeking to protect female safety and rights.

If some girl lies to me about being fertile and can't conceive, I'm going to leave and find another girl. The entire point is to spawn offspring. Sue me. Maybe I'll change my mind if I fall in love.

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The funny thing is that they are trying to make it illegal to be a biologist. Like the gender you're born with, and the gender you identify as, and the gender you're attracted to, are independent of each other. That is not true.

Peterson and Bret Weinstein were talking about it in a Joe rogan Podcast, and it was interesting because Peterson is a clinical psychologist and Weinstein is a biologist.

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Originally Posted By Cass40⏩

The funny thing is that they are trying to make it illegal to be a biologist. Like the gender you're born with, and the gender you identify as, and the gender you're attracted to, are independent of each other. That is not true.

Peterson and Bret Weinstein were talking about it in a Joe rogan Podcast, and it was interesting because Peterson is a clinical psychologist and Weinstein is a biologist.

Gender isn't even a scientific term like in a biological sense.

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩

Gender isn't even a scientific term like in a biological sense.

What do you mean?

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Originally Posted By Cass40⏩

What do you mean?

To biologists there is chromo****l sex, which is like XX, XY, XXY, etc and there is phenotype, which is a description, such as external anatomy development, has a uterus, can ovulate or produce sperm, hair on chest, etc. There are a large combinations fo disorders in development that can cause what we label under an umbrella term of intersex conditions. Now, we have seen some research suggesting there is a "male" brain and a "female" brain archetype, and if disorders of development were to occur here, this could easily explain trans people. The science is getting there but disputed still. More evidence needs to be gathered to try to classify brains by "gender" in the way we conventionally look at them. As far as psychology goes, people have decided that the historic classifications of male and female account for most people, but some lie somewhere in between. Generally speaking, you get to identify as whatever gender you want. When we observe XY identifying as female or vice versa it can be interesting to examine what drives that. There may be actual brain differences, and there is some evidence for that.

(I mean...there actually has to be because brains make people do things lol)

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩

ok...then I must be transphobic...I don't rly care

I still will defend science and go with what evidence says and continue advocating for trans rights and fair treatment of them WHILE ALSO seeking to protect female safety and rights.

If some girl lies to me about being fertile and can't conceive, I'm going to leave and find another girl. The entire point is to spawn offspring. Sue me. Maybe I'll change my mind if I fall in love.

So the evidence says that humans can't change sex.
The evidence says that HRT does not even come close to removing male advantage in sports.
The evidence says that trans people retain pattern violence according to their sex. The evidence says that in the UK trans people are safer and get murdered less than everyone else.
The evidence says that the long term affects of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones on mental wellbeing are completely unstudied.

Yet you advocate for science? You must be getting your science news from reddit.

Treating someone fairly.... like treating them as their biological sex, the same as everybody else? that sounds fair.

Let's be real Wincel. You don't give a crap about actual women, the only ones you care about are the ones who were born with a penis. That is fine btw. Just own it. I don't even really care because thankfully the men I know in real life would defend my rights to safety, dignity, privacy and fairness to the death. Those are the real gents.

I adore most men. They can be so amazing.

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Also can you please specify what rights trans people don't have?

Everyone else is forced to share a bathroom, compete, be in prison with their own sex etc.

Why should they get special exceptions?

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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩

So the evidence says that humans can't change sex.
The evidence says that HRT does not even come close to removing male advantage in sports.
The evidence says that trans people retain pattern violence according to their sex. The evidence says that in the UK trans people are safer and get murdered less than everyone else.
The evidence says that the long term affects of puberty blockers and cross sex hormones on mental wellbeing are completely unstudied.

Yet you advocate for science? You must be getting your science news from reddit.

Treating someone fairly.... like treating them as their biological sex, the same as everybody else? that sounds fair.

Let's be real Wincel. You don't give a crap about actual women, the only ones you care about are the ones who were born with a penis. That is fine btw. Just own it. I don't even really care because thankfully the men I know in real life would defend my rights to safety, dignity, privacy and fairness to the death. Those are the real gents.

I adore most men. They can be so amazing.

The science says gender reassingment helps more than it hurts. While trans people are not the same as women, if this can help them not commot suicide, I will support it. Whether they ought to be in the same prisons or sports leagues is a different issue, which I actually agreed with you on. Frankly, IDK why you're being such a bitch about it. I've been very reasonable here.

As far as me not caring about women, I do care. My number 1 choice for president was a woman, who I think would be the best candidate we would have in a very long time. IDK why u just assume I exclusively hate women. I don't. I hate shtty women. There are plenty of shtty men too. I don't discriminate. I am an equal opportunity hater.

Treating trans people as their biological sex is a surefire way to drive them to suicide. It is not helpful. It may need to be done in the interest of safety and other things, but otherwise it's just bigotry. It doesn't kill you to call someone a he if he was born a she. It's not going to hurt you in any way.

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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩

Also can you please specify what rights trans people don't have?

Everyone else is forced to share a bathroom, compete, be in prison with their own sex etc.

Why should they get special exceptions?

Because the statistics u failed to show are that they are also frequently the recipients of abuse, rape, and violence.

How about the right to exist and not feel like an alien in ur own body and be judged by ppl who hate you for something u cannot control because u were born that way? Seems like a reasonable reason to me.

I am proud of what my city has done for LGBTQI ppl. Most places are very fair and accomodating for them. Prisons still need work because for w/e reasons Americans are very bitter and want to punish people more than prevent crime and create a stable society. Sports are...well idgaf about sports tbh.

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The science says gender reassingment helps more than it hurts. While trans people are not the same as women, if this can help them not commot suicide, I will support it. Whether they ought to be in the same prisons or sports leagues is a different issue, which I actually agreed with you on. Frankly, IDK why you're being such a bitch about it. I've been very reasonable here.

As far as me not caring about women, I do care. My number 1 choice for president was a woman, who I think would be the best candidate we would have in a very long time. IDK why u just assume I exclusively hate women. I don't. I hate shtty women. There are plenty of shtty men too. I don't discriminate. I am an equal opportunity hater.

Treating trans people as their biological sex is a surefire way to drive them to suicide. It is not helpful. It may need to be done in the interest of safety and other things, but otherwise it's just bigotry. It doesn't kill you to call someone a he if he was born a she. It's not going to hurt you in any way.

So why should someone get special treatment because they threaten to kill themselves? That sounds like a maniac to me and maniacs cannot be trusted to make adult decisions.

Also I will address someone as I see them. People don't own their pronouns. pronouns are used in the absence of that person. I address people as 'you' when I am speaking to them. If I am speaking about them in their absence, they do not compel my speech.

Originally Posted By wincel⏩

Because the statistics u failed to show are that they are also frequently the recipients of abuse, rape, and violence.

How about the right to exist and not feel like an alien in ur own body and be judged by ppl who hate you for something u cannot control because u were born that way? Seems like a reasonable reason to me.

Right? So these stats you are referring too? Let me see them please? Would love to see them to compare against female stats. Reported rapes and violence (not hate crimes) show a different story, in the UK at least.

Plus that isn't a right. That is a self-esteem issue which most of us also have. We are all judged. Fat people, blonde people, short people. lol imagine saying that trans people deserve the right to not be judged? Listen to yourself, you don't like losing argument so you go full potato instead.

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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩

So why should someone get special treatment because they threaten to kill themselves? That sounds like a maniac to me and maniacs cannot be trusted to make adult decisions.

Also I will address someone as I see them. People don't own their pronouns. pronouns are used in the absence of that person. I address people as 'you' when I am speaking to them. If I am speaking about them in their absence, they do not compel my speech.

Right? So these stats you are referring too? Let me see them please? Would love to see them to compare against female stats. Reported rapes and violence (not hate crimes) show a different story, in the UK at least.

Plus that isn't a right. That is a self-esteem issue which most of us also have. We are all judged. Fat people, blonde people, short people. lol imagine saying that trans people deserve the right to not be judged? Listen to yourself, you don't like losing argument so you go full potato instead.

You don't understand mental illness at all regarding your callous disregard for suicide.

Here are some links about transgender violence. You can google it too, but for some reason ur making me do it:

https://ovc.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xy...l_numbers.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1596150534671

It's kind of sad when I have more empathy than a female. Honestly, I don't rly care. hominid gonna hominid. Ppl r backwards and savage creatures. I just love how you ignore medical literature on what works. You guys cherry pick a lot on what science to believe. Like you think you're informing me about science linking me shyt about mtf being stronger than females. No shyt. I know they are. But that shouldn't affect whether ppl can get fuking reassignment surgeries. The sport issue we agreed on even tho u lacked the understanding to know how one can partition real numbers into two sets of intervals (which means ur certifiably retarded btw), the prison issue we agreed on...I just really don't see your problem. I'm over this debate and I'm gonna take a nice huge dump.

U think I hate women and accuse me of misogyny. To that I say suck a dick sloot. We outchea.

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩

You don't understand mental illness at all regarding your callous disregard for suicide.

Here are some links about transgender violence. You can google it too, but for some reason ur making me do it:

https://ovc.ojp.gov/sites/g/files/xy...l_numbers.html

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...=1596150534671

I agreed with letting them dress, act and look however they want. What I don't agree with is forcing the rest of the world to collude with their delusions.

We don't do it for anorexics, schizophrenics, heck even the majority of religious nuts dont force you to agree with their ideals....

Let them butcher their bodies if it brings them happiness. Let them surround themselves with people who will lie to them to make them feel better. I honestly couldn't give a chit. What I do give a chit about is them trying to dismantle hard won womens rights and spaces for their own validation. Preying on impressionable and autistic children and becoming the new face of eugenics/conversion therapy. That is what I have a problem with.

And don't bother telling me I am being dramatic. We have multiple lawsuits pending in the UK based on this exact premise. Even the pro-trans BBC have removed many trans charities from their online site now because the storm is coming.

Tavistock gender clinic is running scared.
Mermaids the trans charity is being dropped left right and centre and Stonewall (the head trans) is about to have a reckoning.

Stay tuned for next weeks news.

This is going to be exciting

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jesus christ what is going on?

Can be summarized as Wincel throwing a paddy because yet again, he is less knowledgeable than the females he despises.

All he needs to do is a little introspection and he will find the root of all his anguish. The darling isn't quite there yet though.

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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩

Can be summarized as Wincel throwing a paddy because yet again, he is less knowledgeable than the females he despises.

All he needs to do is a little introspection and he will find the root of all his anguish. The darling isn't quite there yet though.

wtf is a paddy

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩

wtf is a paddy

It's just another word for tantrum lol

"Throwing a paddy"

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Originally Posted By 128⏩

geez

07-30-2020, 05:47 PM

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what prison to "women" go to?

Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩

Can be summarized as Wincel throwing a paddy because yet again, he is less knowledgeable than the females he despises.

All he needs to do is a little introspection and he will find the root of all his anguish. The darling isn't quite there yet though.

thanks

07-30-2020, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩

this feels right to me

im very confused now. i know 2nd wave is right i was just thinkin maybe there was some middle ground.

It sounds extreme, I get it. Still, I'm not responsible for managing other people's dysphoria. The last time someone threatened to kill themselves because I wasn't doing what they wanted I told them they were being extra, went NC, and then I bought a Slurpee. Fuk those people, I'd rather die a see you next Tuesday than a codependent ayyyy Al-Anon's new slogan right there.

Originally Posted By wincel⏩

It's kind of sad when I have more empathy than a female. Honestly, I don't rly care. hominid gonna hominid. Ppl r backwards and savage creatures. I just love how you ignore medical literature on what works. You guys cherry pick a lot on what science to believe. Like you think you're informing me about science linking me shyt about mtf being stronger than females. No shyt. I know they are. But that shouldn't affect whether ppl can get fuking reassignment surgeries. The sport issue we agreed on even tho u lacked the understanding to know how one can partition real numbers into two sets of intervals (which means ur certifiably retarded btw), the prison issue we agreed on...I just really don't see your problem. I'm over this debate and I'm gonna take a nice huge dump.

U think I hate women and accuse me of misogyny. To that I say suck a dick sloot. We outchea.

I have plenty of empathy for people who feel different. I have no empathy for anyone who uses threats to get their way. I don't care if it's a trans person, a police union mouthpiece, or a seven year old stomping around by the candy aisle. People who do this are nothing but bullies who use women's empathy and compassion to get what they want - you said it yourself, we're expected to have empathy for abusers. If a man decides to kill himself because his dysphoria is activated or whatever the fuk, that dude was coocoo for cocoa puffs long before he ever interacted with me. It's not savage, if I took out the trans bit but said I was being told by a man that I must violate my own boundaries and lie to validate him, every therapist on the planet would tell me to GTFO of whatever crazy relationship I was in. But if it's a dude sad about his dick, I need to be nicer.

I actually am really curious why this one common area of emotional abuse and manipulation is suddenly regarded by medical professionals as completely valid and a reason to transition people, but under any other diagnosis the advice would be for said person to get into therapy and possibly be medicated for their mental illness. It makes no sense, and I really do think that most rational people agree. If a miscer made a thread right now telling us all about their histrionic girlfriend who constantly threatened to kill herself, every other post would tell the poor dude to go no contact and then super sad story hour about borderlines.

07-30-2020, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩

It sounds extreme, I get it. Still, I'm not responsible for managing other people's dysphoria. The last time someone threatened to kill themselves because I wasn't doing what they wanted I told them they were being extra, went NC, and then I bought a Slurpee. Fuk those people, I'd rather die a see you next Tuesday than a codependent ayyyy Al-Anon's new slogan right there.

I have plenty of empathy for people who feel different. I have no empathy for anyone who uses threats to get their way. I don't care if it's a trans person, a police union mouthpiece, or a seven year old stomping around by the candy aisle. People who do this are nothing but bullies who use women's empathy and compassion to get what they want - you said it yourself, we're expected to have empathy for abusers. If a man decides to kill himself because his dysphoria is activated or whatever the fuk, that dude was coocoo for cocoa puffs long before he ever interacted with me. It's not savage, if I took out the trans bit every therapist on the planet would tell me to GTFO of whatever crazy relationship I was in. But if it's a dude sad about his dick, I need to be nicer.

I actually am really curious why this one common area of emotional abuse and manipulation is suddenly regarded by medical professionals as completely valid and a reason to transition people, but under any other diagnosis the advice would be for said person to get into therapy and possibly be medicated for their mental illness. It makes no sense, and I really do think that most rational people agree. If a miscer made a thread right now telling us all about their histrionic girlfriend who constantly threatened to kill herself, every other post would tell the poor dude to go no contact and then super sad story hour about borderlines.

It's more like ur seeing the suicide as a threat. It's just they do it and not as a threat. Like they have feelings that make them want to do it. It's not about as it pertains to others. You're seeing it from a view of them trying to get sonething from you. IDK if that is the right way to see it. I am sure there are drama queens out there, but I think a lot of them straight up feel terrible. I mean can you imagine how you would feel if u felt like u were supposed to have a dick?

Borderlines need to be helpd still. Many of them do kill themselves. They shouldn't hold u hostage, but they do need therapy.

I do not think the suicidality is due to manipulation. I think it is a culmination of discrimination, ostracism, anxiety, and feeling downright uncomfortable in one's own body. I felt the same way about all those things and I'm not even trans. I get where they are coming from.

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