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Originally Posted By jonmcd46
I would be pissed if my kid was the 1 half homo half straight freak
Got sum bad news for you.
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Originally Posted By Scarrdbutsmartr
Im NOT anti-vax but I think pumping live viruses into newborn babies right after they've been delivered with little to no immune system has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen..When they are vaccinating your kid day one for diseases they probably wont ever encounter (much less encounter in the first year of life) shows they dont care about YOUR kid, they care about the herd.

You SHOULD vaccinate if you dont have a kid with a compromised system but you should spread the vaccinations out over time. You massively reduce the risk to your child and still get the benefit if you vaccinate prior to school starting..but who was logic.

inb4 herp derp - think of the childern - I am.
Your example of a "live" virus is an attenuated virus, ie cant replicate and not going to make someone sick. Put on your tinfoil hat boyo.
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This topic on the misc always reminds me who here is missing a chromosome or two.
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Obviously people are going to be against a vaccine that the kremlin developed in like 2 months likely with zero credible trials and which likely only exists to act as propaganda for Russia's "superiority".

Obviously that does not mean that those people are hypocrites for advocating safe vaccines as well...

Obviously vaccines prevent disease, that is a much a fact as the fact that humans breath oxygen. We have eradicated or nearly eradicated several major diseases using them

Obviously vaccines are extensively trialed to make sure they are safe. Ridiculously anomalous outliers are not statistically significant

I seriously thought in this day and age anti-vaxxers were limited to flat earthers, cultists and general nutjob retards, not actual people with the ability to reason rationally

Just lol at science blind-ness and perpetual paranoid conspiracies, misc never disappoints
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It’s because most people are helpless sheep srs

They watch their tv tell them to get vaccines 100s per times per year which creates a very strong neurological pathway in their brain which makes them think that’s what everybody should do.

Sorta like how Ali used to say to himself “I am the greatest” all of the time. Same thing.

Then they see some healthy intelligent family say “no thanks I’ve read the ingredients, lead mercury, pig dna, aborted fetal cells, ect”.

This causes a scizzem only their psyche. Their is a neurological pathway that has been strengthened 100 times each year to give $20 or whatever amount to the big vaccine corporation or else.

But logic is on the other persons side.

This makes them angry and afraid.

It’s natural selection.
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Originally Posted By yewotm8
You get your "facts" from the same people who told you:

Trump was gonna lose
White people owe other races money just for being White, and are evil because of it, while blacks are not responsible for their actions
The world is going to end in 20 years, (prediction revised every 10 years, but it's always 20 years from now) because we burn too much oil
Millions of people were going to die from a flu virus
Intentionally banned the drug that cures said type of flu virus, put infected people in nursing homes, and encouraged lying about cause of death, all in order to inflate the death toll

By all means continue to listen to people who lie to your face and trust them over what you see with your own eyes. But sooner or later, reality is gonna bite you in the ass.
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Originally Posted By Freeman3737
It’s because most people are helpless sheep srs

They watch their tv tell them to get vaccines 100s per times per year which creates a very strong neurological pathway in their brain which makes them think that’s what everybody should do.

Sorta like how Ali used to say to himself “I am the greatest” all of the time. Same thing.

Then they see some healthy intelligent family say “no thanks I’ve read the ingredients, lead mercury, pig dna, aborted fetal cells, ect”.

This causes a scizzem only their psyche. Their is a neurological pathway that has been strengthened 100 times each year to give $20 or whatever amount to the big vaccine corporation or else.

But logic is on the other persons side.

This makes them angry and afraid.

It’s natural selection.
Oh look, another Dunning-Kruger victim who’s got it all figured out. Interesting way of spelling schism.
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Have you ever considered that the reason most people might be doing something isnt that they are sheep but is because it works and is backed up by millions of pages of scientific research?

Of course not, the government is obviously trying to eradicate the population using pig DNA and aborted fetuses, you chosen few are the geniuses who worked this out and will escape this terrible fate. Vaccines are all a big lie, smallpox and polio were staged by the marxist media for hundreds of years and BLM is reading your mind at this moment.

Jesus christ, it's just a shot. Your food contains fecal matter, mercury, lead and insect parts and your heavily obese nation (and tbh mine) guzzles that processed chit like there's no tomorrow.

I think this is just huge cope for a childhood fear of needles which you all never got over
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Originally Posted By umop3pisdn
If you have had all your vaccines why would you get irate at some autist who decides to forego the vaccine? Logic would suggest that you are fully protected and can't catch anything seeing as you are vaccinated.
Because there are people who truly cannot get vaccinated (people with egg allergies/immune compromised/recent organ transplants/infants <3 months old) and need to rely on herd immunity to not get sick.

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Originally Posted By ocelo7
Your example of a "live" virus is an attenuated virus, ie cant replicate and not going to make someone sick. Put on your tinfoil hat boyo.
Anyone thats had a high school education knows vaccines are live viruses but weakened versions. Attenuated just means "reduced virulence". Your position is a straw man, however, because Im not arguing that a virus isnt attenuated. My position is that hitting a newborns non-developed immune system is moronic. We know government health agencies state people with compromised immune systems should talk to their doctor and potentially avoid immunization. Yet we give vaccinate babies we have no clue if they have a compromised immune system. We typically cannot and or do not know if a baby has a compromised immune system after a few hours after birth. It takes years in many cases to diagnose compromised immune system. Its complete and utter hypocrisy by the medical community and government agencies. Again they care about herd and not YOUR child.

In the end general medical advice for cancer/chemo or any other immune compromised individual is to keep individuals away from viruses and infections but the same medical community presses that its logical to slam vaccines into an individual with little to no immune system. This contradiction fails the basic logic test of anyone with an IQ over potato.
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Originally Posted By Scarrdbutsmartr
Anyone thats had a high school education knows live viruses ARE live but weakened versions. Your position is a straw man because Im not arguing that a virus isnt attenuated. Im arguing that hitting a newborns non-developed immune system is moronic.

If you think slamming viruses in babies and have their lack of or compromised immune system fight off viruses right after birth is a logical plan, then we dont have anything to discuss. General medical advice for cancer or any other immune compromised individual is to keep individuals away from viruses and infections but its logical to slam it in newborn babies? This contradiction fails the basic logic test of anyone with an IQ over potato.
If you think your baby dying of whooping cough is better than getting a safe vaccine it's probably better that your genes don't get passed on. Have you ever even thought this through?

If this was such a bad idea then why does infant mortality fall year by year and why aren't they all falling ill and dying from these deadly vaccines...?
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Originally Posted By RedRusty
This topic on the misc always reminds me who here is missing a chromosome or two.
Well-what are YOUR opinions on this issue? Instead of making cryptic comments like that-actually contribute to the discussion, please.
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Vaccines work through herd immunity. Also some kids can't get vaxxed for whatever reason and rely on everyone else to get vaxxed to be protected. Also, vaccines don't come in all at once, a newborn is vulnerable.
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Originally Posted By Maestro
Because there are people who truly cannot get vaccinated (people with egg allergies/immune compromised/recent organ transplants/infants <3 months old) and need to rely on herd immunity to not get sick.

For me its not even about a vaccine.

It is the idea you can force the entire population to do something "for the greater good". If governments/rich were high trust and benevolent it wouldn't be a problem but of course they are not and this **** can get nefarious real fast, because where is the line drawn? do you honestly think it will stop at one thing?
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Originally Posted By Bar182
For me its not even about a vaccine.

It is the idea you can force the entire population to do something "for the greater good". If governments/rich were high trust and benevolent it wouldn't be a problem but of course they are not and this **** can get nefarious real fast, because where is the line drawn? do you honestly think it will stop at one thing?
You do realise that every single law ever written is the government telling people what to do/not do...

Also nobody is actually forcing anyone to get the vaccine. They're just saying if you don't get it and are knowingly opening yourself to infection, you are not welcome in places where other people are. Which tbh is fair enough
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Originally Posted By AlexSays
You do realise that every single law ever written is the government telling people what to do/not do...

Also nobody is actually forcing anyone to get the vaccine. They're just saying if you don't get it and are knowingly opening yourself to infection, you are not welcome in places where other people are. Which tbh is fair enough
So you cannot participate in society at all. Education, commerce, workforce, travel, supermarkets. Not mandatory though!
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Originally Posted By AlexSays
If you think your baby dying of whooping cough is better than getting a safe vaccine it's probably better that your genes don't get passed on. Have you ever even thought this through?

If this was such a bad idea then why does infant mortality fall year by year and why aren't they all falling ill and dying from these deadly vaccines...?
Did you even read my post. I didnt say you shouldnt vaccinate. I stated you should spread them out and not give them at birth.

You should vaccinate on a schedule based upon risk within an age group. If there are high risk viruses/diseases you let the kid build up an immune system for a few weeks/months and then give them the high risk vaccinations that would impact them within that age group. The odds are staggeringly low that ANY vaccination is required within the first 24 hours much less the first few weeks/months.


Lets ask a logical question - How many newborns to 12 months face a tetanus risk? Are they working with rusty fences or going on hikes where they could get a rusty nail in their foot...but wait its right there on the immunization schedule. There is literally no reason to get a tetanus immunization until you need it based upon environmental factors... Do you need a tetanus vaccination at some point, SURE. When your kid starts walking and playing outside unsupervised they definitely need the immunization. Its basic if/then logic statement and or equation...IF my kid faces the risk THEN its time to immunize.

Last logical question - You get into a fight with a high risk opponent. Do you want to fight them after you've had the flu and your health system is compromised or would you rather fight them when you are completely healthy and after a training camp? Again..Basic logic.

Immunizations should be spread out based upon risk while your immune systems strengthens and grows...Giving them to newborns is potato.
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Originally Posted By Scarrdbutsmartr
Did you even read my post. I didnt say you shouldnt vaccinate. I stated you should spread them out and not give them at birth.

You should vaccinate on a schedule based upon risk within an age group. If there are high risk viruses/diseases you let the kid build up an immune system for a few weeks/months and then give them the high risk vaccinations that would impact them within that age group. The odds are staggeringly low that ANY vaccination is required within the first 24 hours much less the first few weeks/months.


Lets ask a logical question - How many newborns to 12 months face a tetanus risk? Are they working with rusty fences or going on hikes....but its right there on the immunization schedule. There is literally no reason to get a tetanus immunization until you need it based upon environmental factors... Do you need a tetanus vaccination at some point, SURE. When your kid starts walking and playing outside unsupervised they definitely need the immunization. Its basic if/then statement...IF my kid faces the risk THEN its time to immunize.

Immunizations should be spread out based upon risk while your immune systems strengthens and grows...Giving them to newborns is potato.
There’s no evidence of delayed schedules having benefit and actually show the opposite. The only vaccine given at birth is hep b. Wtf are you even going on about?
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Originally Posted By umop3pisdn
If you have had all your vaccines why would you get irate at some autist who decides to forego the vaccine? Logic would suggest that you are fully protected and can't catch anything seeing as you are vaccinated.
The point is you let your kid get something and die when there was a vaccine that could've saved him/her. You should go to prison for that.
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Did you know you can't sue a vaccine company or company that makes them?

They are protected by law.

So when your kid get autism from the vaccines or maybe they get some whacked crazy side effect? Not there problem.

So we have mandatory vaccination or you can't exist in society. But they are protected from all consequences.

Does that not bother people?

No I'm not antivax, just think about what I said.
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Originally Posted By Conspirabrah
Well-what are YOUR opinions on this issue? Instead of making cryptic comments like that-actually contribute to the discussion, please.
Vaccinate your kids. Period. Only exception being immunocompromised.

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Originally Posted By Freeman3737
It’s because most people are helpless sheep srs

They watch their tv tell them to get vaccines 100s per times per year which creates a very strong neurological pathway in their brain which makes them think that’s what everybody should do.

Sorta like how Ali used to say to himself “I am the greatest” all of the time. Same thing.

Then they see some healthy intelligent family say “no thanks I’ve read the ingredients, lead mercury, pig dna, aborted fetal cells, ect”.

This causes a scizzem only their psyche. Their is a neurological pathway that has been strengthened 100 times each year to give $20 or whatever amount to the big vaccine corporation or else.

But logic is on the other persons side.

This makes them angry and afraid.

It’s natural selection.
Your spelling of "scizzem" invalidated your entire post alone
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Originally Posted By r0bo
There’s no evidence of delayed schedules having benefit and actually show the opposite. The only vaccine given at birth is hep b. Wtf are you even going on about?
There are significant competing data sets on this topic. We can post links all day for both sides of the equation. Do you know why so many studies have been done on the topic? It boils down to one thing and that is that it has been proven that individuals that delay immunization schedules end up not getting all of their immunizations. Thats why the government and medical community hates delayed schedules and avoids many of the data sets and counter evidence...

...and yes at birth Hep B is typically given. When is the first post birth appointment and the first massive vaccination? Its typically in days after birth. Thats still a newborn with little to no immune system. My daughter was at her pediatricians within four or five days of birth and they wanted to give her a long list of vaccinations.

I challenge you to go to any of the top five geneticist in the world and ask them if you should immunize if a child has a compromised immune system..100% of them will say you should wait or avoid. Yet many times we dont know if a child has a compromised immune system in the newborn phase. You simply can not overcome this simple facts/ logic. You are rolling the dice and there is no way round it..There is a safer way that still provides kids with the necessary immunization.
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if a virus is allowed to thrive in the unvaccinated, there is a high chance it will mutate into something stronger. then the vaccinated people will be at risk again.
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Originally Posted By Scarrdbutsmartr
Did you even read my post. I didnt say you shouldnt vaccinate. I stated you should spread them out and not give them at birth.

You should vaccinate on a schedule based upon risk within an age group. If there are high risk viruses/diseases you let the kid build up an immune system for a few weeks/months and then give them the high risk vaccinations that would impact them within that age group. The odds are staggeringly low that ANY vaccination is required within the first 24 hours much less the first few weeks/months.


Lets ask a logical question - How many newborns to 12 months face a tetanus risk? Are they working with rusty fences or going on hikes where they could get a rusty nail in their foot...but wait its right there on the immunization schedule. There is literally no reason to get a tetanus immunization until you need it based upon environmental factors... Do you need a tetanus vaccination at some point, SURE. When your kid starts walking and playing outside unsupervised they definitely need the immunization. Its basic if/then logic statement and or equation...IF my kid faces the risk THEN its time to immunize.

Last logical question - You get into a fight with a high risk opponent. Do you want to fight them after you've had the flu and your health system is compromised or would you rather fight them when you are completely healthy and after a training camp? Again..Basic logic.

Immunizations should be spread out based upon risk while your immune systems strengthens and grows...Giving them to newborns is potato.
Not sure if srs... Vaccinations are spread out over the first two years of a baby's life not 'given all at once'? Also newborns don't get immediately vaccinated except for Hep B and there are reasons for that, as you are not a doctor I'm not sure I'm going to take your word for it that medical advice to do this is all complete bull, what exactly are your qualifications to make any kind of judgement on whether this is advisable apart from your 'feeling' that you 'probably shouldn't do this because it sounds bad'.

Also disease is not a 'high risk opponent' and vaccines are not 'training camp'. You can't just apply metaphors at random to complex biological processes. But if you were to I would say get the training in early just so that they can be prepared from the start (given that the 'high risk opponent' can come at any time, regardless of whether and when you have 'trained' or not).
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Originally Posted By AlexSays
Not sure if srs... Vaccinations are spread out over the first two years of a baby's life not 'given all at once'? Also newborns don't get immediately vaccinated except for Hep B and there are reasons for that, as you are not a doctor I'm not sure I'm going to take your word for it that medical advice to do this is all complete bull, what exactly are your qualifications to make any kind of judgement on whether this is advisable apart from your 'feeling' that you 'probably shouldn't do this because it sounds bad'.

Also disease is not a 'high risk opponent' and vaccines are not 'training camp'. You can't just apply metaphors at random to complex biological processes. But if you were to I would say get the training in early just so that they can be prepared from the start (given that the 'high risk opponent' can come at any time, regardless of whether and when you have 'trained' or not).
Vaccinations are spread out over many years of a childs life and have numerous doses - Again basic stuff we learned in high school. Many of the doses are given shortly after birth and contain many immunizations that are not immediately required because they are environmental or have extremely low risk.

Where do we go from here...You do you and I will do me. When you end up with the consequences, and there are potential consequences, dont come crying to me. I dont really care what you do. My kid is fully vaccinated and we had a delayed strategy. We reduced risks while still getting vaccinated.

I can tell you this - My wifes best friend owns a very large pediatric therapy clinic and it is FILLED with kids that have life impacting consequences that conveniently started within 24-72 hours of vaccinations...So roll the dice.
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Originally Posted By Suit
Did you know you can't sue a vaccine company or company that makes them?

They are protected by law.

So when your kid get autism from the vaccines or maybe they get some whacked crazy side effect? Not there problem.

So we have mandatory vaccination or you can't exist in society. But they are protected from all consequences.

Does that not bother people?

No I'm not antivax, just think about what I said.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908388/Meta-analysis of over 20 studies with vast sample sizes in many different countries. Vaccines do not cause autism, You do realise that was largely a myth/conspiracy theory which had absolutely no basis in science or physiology right?
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Because if enough don't get it, the virus still has a prey population and can mutate.
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I'm going to take the advice of scientists and doctors not random tradies on the interwebz in regards to vaccinating myself and my kids.
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ITT buncha gymcels with 5th grade level science knowledge trying to argue about microbiology.
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