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post 1615596001 09-04-2020, 05:30 PM
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Rape worse than murder? (thought experiment)

Say there is an active shooter in your office, and he has already killed several people. Nobody has a problem with you killing him to stop the shooting. BUT, lets say instead of killing him, you subdue and rape him. This also stops the shooting, and has the added benefit that he does not die. Objectively, this is a better outcome for him than you straight up killing him. Most people seem to have a moral problem with this, though, and you would most likely be charged with rape, even though if you killed him outright, you would not be charged with manslaughter/murder. Therefore, is raping someone worse than killing someone?

Also, say you subdue him but don't rape him, and he goes to jail. Once in jail, he is raped daily by Tyrone. Nobody seems to care about his rape, so why is it such a big deal if you rape him in self-defense? Thoughts?
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post 1615596201 09-04-2020, 05:33 PM
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You can substitute any kind of torture for rape. If you subdue the shooter and rip off his fingernails one at a time it'll be the same issue because you're using unnecessary force/cruelty for your own satisfaction.
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How exactly would the defense prove self defense?

The perp is already subdued, so penetration would require much more effort. It would be excessive, and not help you stay alive. You go to prison.

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Why in the world would you STOP a situation like that and then ADD ON rape? This CLEARLY isnt the same as choosing rape OR murder
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Originally Posted By ThisIsMyAlias⏩
You can substitute any kind of torture for rape. If you subdue the shooter and rip off his fingernails one at a time it'll be the same issue because you're using unnecessary force/cruelty for your own satisfaction.
This is a good point. I think most people would rather experience some level of torture than die, but there is probably a line where people would rather die than experience the torture. But that's because some kinds of torture are worse than death, and therefore perpetrating that torture is worse than killing someone. Does rape meet that level though? I for one would certainly rather be raped than killed. Also, as I mention at the end of the OP, most people (based on my random survey) do not care about prison rape at all. Why is it so much worse when perpetrated outside of the prison walls?

You could even construct the thought experiment so that the rapist and the shooter end up in the same prison, and the rapist rapes him every day for the rest of his life. Once in prison, most people don't care, but if the exact same rape happens outside of prison, its a big deal. Where it happened is the only difference!
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
Why in the world would you STOP a situation like that and then ADD ON rape? This CLEARLY isnt the same as choosing rape OR murder
Its to construct a situation to show that you could kill a man, and no one would care, but if you rape the same man, in the same situation, you would go to jail. Therefore, raping him must be worse than killing him, right?
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How can you rape in self-defence? Someone scares you or threatens you so you force your dik in them as self-defence???
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Originally Posted By DatBoyDrew⏩
Its to construct a situation to show that you could kill a man, and no one would care, but if you rape the same man, in the same situation, you would go to jail. Therefore, raping him must be worse than killing him, right?
Then you need to word the situation like this:
To stop the shooter, you need to kill him or subdue him with rape (yeah its weird but its just how the thought experiment works). It just makes the who thing not make sense to subdue him, then rape him -OR- kill him
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Originally Posted By DatBoyDrew⏩
instead of killing him, you subdueand rape him.
why?
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post 1615597491 09-04-2020, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted By tank2003⏩
Then you need to word the situation like this:
To stop the shooter, you need to kill him or subdue him with rape (yeah its weird but its just how the thought experiment works). It just makes the who thing not make sense to subdue him, then rape him -OR- kill him
Yea, exactly, that's what I'm trying to say. These people asking how do you rape in self-defense are missing the point of the experiment. I should have been clearer in my wording.
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Originally Posted By DatBoyDrew⏩
Its to construct a situation to show that you could kill a man, and no one would care, but if you rape the same man, in the same situation, you would go to jail. Therefore, raping him must be worse than killing him, right?
It doesn't make raping him worse. Its just against the law. In that context killing him isn't. I see the point you're making but your conclusion is way off.

If there were no rules, no laws, some guy came into your village and started killing ppl, nobody would care what you do to the guy.
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If you can subdue them, you dont have to rape them dumass
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Originally Posted By DatBoyDrew⏩
Yea, exactly, that's what I'm trying to say. These people asking how do you rape in self-defense are missing the point of the experiment. I should have been clearer in my wording.
Originally Posted By DatBoyDrew⏩
Its to construct a situation to show that you could kill a man, and no one would care, but if you rape the same man, in the same situation, you would go to jail. Therefore, raping him must be worse than killing him, right?
Rape in itself is an immoral act. This is like saying, I'm going to brick the mass shooter in the head several times, then take his wallet and phone after.
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
why?



Rape in itself is an immoral act. This is like saying, I'm going to brick the mass shooter in the head several times, then take his cash after.
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How can you rape in self-defence? Someone scares you or threatens you so you force your dik in them as self-defence???
Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
How exactly would the defense prove self defense?

The perp is already subdued, so penetration would require much more effort. It would be excessive, and not help you stay alive. You go to prison.

"I was afraid for my life your honor, so when I tackled him and just started panic fukking".
Let's just say you have some weird medical psychological condition where its impossible for you to subdue someone without raping them. Like tank said, this is just how the thought experiment works.
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
Rape in itself is an immoral act. This is like saying, I'm going to brick the mass shooter in the head several times, then take his wallet and phone after.
True, but is it worse than killing him? If I was the shooter, I would rather be bricked in the head and lose my wallet and phone than be dead, wouldn't you?
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What if you subdue the shooter and then circumcise him?


That would be worse than either killing or raping him but maybe not quite as bad as killing and then raping him

Yet circumcisions are performed both with patient's consent and without when they're babies and not typically considered immoral.
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Originally Posted By ThisIsMyAlias⏩
What if you subdue the shooter and then circumcise him?


That would be worse than either killing or raping him but maybe not quite as bad as killing and then raping him
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OP will subdue the murderer and kiss him in the mouth
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Originally Posted By ThisIsMyAlias⏩
Yet circumcisions are performed both with patient's consent and without when they're babies and not typically considered immoral.
What if you circumcise him as an infant then give him a blowjob while simultaneously convincing the American population that it is healthy? Oh wait...

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Originally Posted By DatBoyDrew⏩
Its to construct a situation to show that you could kill a man, and no one would care, but if you rape the same man, in the same situation, you would go to jail. Therefore, raping him must be worse than killing him, right?
Cause you can kill in self defense? But you can't be like "my life was threatened so instead of shooting the fukker I got a boner and subdued him with my dick until he was no longer a threat"

Way to also give a murderer a way out of prison too because he was" traumatized by the events" and now can plea unfit for trial.
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
Rape in itself is an immoral act. This is like saying, I'm going to brick the mass shooter in the head several times, then take his wallet and phone after.
His wallet and phone are compensation for you having to waste your time bricking him in the head in the first place.
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Originally Posted By atomicbbgum⏩
Cause you can kill in self defense? But you can't be like "my life was threatened so instead of shooting the fukker I got a boner and subdued him with my dick until he was no longer a threat"

Way to also give a murderer a way out of prison too because he was" traumatized by the events" and now can plea unfit for trial.
But why is it like that? Wouldn't it be better for him to be subdued by my dick than die?
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You make a good point OP. Is rape in self defense worse than murder in self defense? I don't see why not. My problem with the rape is that the criminal lives to potentially commit more crimes. If all that is done is rape the criminal can still commit crimes even with a gaping butt hole.
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it seems like society looks at it that way..

rape? omg hang him, death penalty right nowww

murderer? "meh, lock him up and throw away the key" ~uninterested voice

women basically crave really rough sex anyways..
obviously its bad but murder is a whole different story! their life is gone
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Originally Posted By Nicklol⏩
it seems like society looks at it that way..

rape? omg hang him, death penalty right nowww

murderer? "meh, lock him up and throw away the key" ~uninterested voice

women basically crave really rough sex anyways..
obviously its bad but murder is a whole different story! their life is gone
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