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post 1615904131 09-08-2020, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
**** this forum is literal cancer with this access denied bull****.

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No you moron. Where are you getting your information that Schools are rolling out incredibly inefficient and expensive 60 GHz WiFi Routers?

60 GHz technology is not new, it's been used in point-to-point communications for years now. And its insanely inefficient for a school building to use unless they spend 20,000 building a mesh due to the small fact that 60 GHz waves can't penetrate material and require clear Line of Sight. This is why your typical operating frequency for WiFi is 2.4 GHz & 5 GHz. Also, there are no (to my knowledge) commercial products available that work with 802.11ad currently, let alone in massive circulation that something like a school would use.

Conspiracy tards are some of the most useless people I swear to god.
Don't believe a word you said except for "can't penetrate material and require line of sight" (and I doubt that)
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post 1615904451 09-08-2020, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted By bannedjpg⏩
Don't believe a word you said except for "can't penetrate material and require line of sight" (and I doubt that)
Dont believe me, I dont give a fuk. If you want to be willfully ignorant that's on you.

Edit: also negged for being willfully ignorant.
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post 1615906191 09-08-2020, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted By bannedjpg⏩
Don't believe a word you said except for "can't penetrate material and require line of sight" (and I doubt that)
Okay.

You saw a graph of oxygen absorption, then proceeded to note that 60ghz is the worst propagator due to it interacting extensively with the atmosphere. You then turn around and deny the fact that it has terrible penetration lmao.



You're backing yourself into a conspiracy with this circular logic.

radio frequency can either be:

propagated
reflected
absorbed (dispersed into heat energy)

If you have very, very small wavelengths, you can ionize dna. 60ghz is not there. It just heats up stuff.
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post 1615906761 09-08-2020, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted By Schnitzl⏩
Radio waves have been around forever(literally forever, stars emits radio waves). Heinrich Hertz proved the existence of radio waves in the late 1880s and humans have been using them to study the universe since 1933. For examplet he Kyiv Polytechnic Institute has had a peer reviewed science journal since 1958 and it's pretty well established. These waves have been studied way longer than LASIK eye surgery for example. Or the internet. Can't find the thread but it was like 5 pages long and every argument was debunked.
The variation of radio waves covers a huge size of the electromagnetic spectrum. We have never had the entire populated area covered at these new frequencies and power levels. To say oh well we have radio waves from outer space, so what we will still have that and are adding in new EMR in addition to that at different frequencies. They are all centered around one assumption and that is that if it isnt enough to literally burn you then its all gravy but that is an assumption, they have put zero dollars into studying these new frequencies, they are spending billions in infrastructure but apparently its too much to ask to set aside 1% or whatever to study this deeper.

And now that they refuse to do research on it, if there are any new ill effects it will be blamed on other causes since there is zero data.

It would make sense to me to study it first before just winging it and covering all populated areas in a new type of EMR. They have to pick out the frequencies they want years in advance before moving on it. They had time to do some studies and intentionally chose not to because that could delay them or give evidence used for future liabilities.
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They have found that there is some connection with human sweat ducts and EMR

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5846532/

and that it resonates or acts as an antenna at certain frequencies.


This is one example going against the huge assumption that all non ionizing and/or non thermal EMR is harmless or has no effect on the human body.
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fact youtube is censoring these videos in itself is weird, if it was just a loony conspiracy why censor them? Certainly illuminati alien vids are the laughing stock of conspiracy videos because on a base level no one really takes them seriously, what are they afraid of?
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
They have found that there is some connection with human sweat ducts and EMR

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5846532/

and that it resonates or acts as an antenna at certain frequencies.


This is one example going against the huge assumption that all non ionizing and/or non thermal EMR is harmless or has no effect on the human body.
Bruv that article is talking about THz and insanely high frequencies. Stay on topic plz.
Originally Posted By KingKringe⏩
fact youtube is censoring these videos in itself is weird, if it was just a loony conspiracy why censor them? Certainly illuminati alien vids are the laughing stock of conspiracy videos because on a base level no one really takes them seriously, what are they afraid of?
Considering people were setting fires to 5G installations and that mass hysteria is a horrible thing I don't blame YouTube for censoring misinformation about the internet (which is the platform for their content).
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Originally Posted By KingKringe⏩
fact youtube is censoring
I stopped reading there
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Quick search on 60 ghz wireless says that the water in the skin absorbs the frequency so it doesn't penetrate into our bodies. So the thing that the OP is complaining about is actually what makes it safe or what?
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Originally Posted By ItsWhatIDo⏩
Or because we have mire people and autism testing didn’t even start until the 80s. The spectrum didn’t exist until the 90s.

But yea, #believeallyoutubes
Always the response of the uneducated who thinks he’s educated
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
They have found that there is some connection with human sweat ducts and EMR

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5846532/

and that it resonates or acts as an antenna at certain frequencies.


This is one example going against the huge assumption that all non ionizing and/or non thermal EMR is harmless or has no effect on the human body.
Antennas concentrate energy. The energy still has to have the capability to interact with a medium. It doesn't matter if coiled hair acts as an antenna if the only result is higher absorption for something that was going to get nearly entirely absorbed anyway.

The RF may iritate a sweat duct, but its doing so through mechanical/thermal means. It IS interesting, though.
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post 1615914391 09-08-2020, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
Bruv that article is talking about THz and insanely high frequencies. Stay on topic plz.



Considering people were setting fires to 5G installations and that mass hysteria is a horrible thing I don't blame YouTube for censoring misinformation about the internet (which is the platform for their content).
That is entirely on topic.

My entire point is that they are doing everything under an assumption that there is no affect on humans when we dont know that. Also some of the ranges mentioned in that article are well below THZ, in the 200 ghz range which is not far above 5g.

The idea that they "know" there is no affect on the human body at below thermal power levels is completely unfounded.
post 1615914541 09-08-2020, 10:28 AM
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i don't get it, do you not have 5g router at your house right now for wifi?
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
Antennas concentrate energy. The energy still has to have the capability to interact with a medium. It doesn't matter if coiled hair acts as an antenna if the only result is higher absorption for something that was going to get nearly entirely absorbed anyway.

The RF may iritate a sweat duct, but its doing so through mechanical/thermal means. It IS interesting, though.
Because it is amplified/concentrated it is thermal effects far below what they would otherwise expect to be in the thermal power range.

But this is just an example of one thing they found. Surely it would be prudent to atleast do SOME research specifically before 5g is unleashed globally instead of saying well there have been a patchwork of random studies in and around the frequencies of the 5g range over the years.
post 1615914771 09-08-2020, 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
That is entirely on topic.

My entire point is that they are doing everything under an assumption that there is no affect on humans when we dont know that. Also some of the ranges mentioned in that article are well below THZ, in the 200 ghz range which is not far above 5g.

The idea that they "know" there is no affect on the human body at below thermal power levels is completely unfounded.
200 GHz is 3x the frequency in the OP, which isnt even related to 5G.

You saying "not far above" doesn't make the data any more relevant. It's some bs dealing with frequencies far above and beyond anything in telecom.
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post 1615914981 09-08-2020, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
200 GHz is 3x the frequency in the OP, which isnt even related to 5G.

You saying "not far above" doesn't make the data any more relevant. It's some bs dealing with frequencies far above and beyond anything in telecom.
Its EMR and in terms of the entire specturm its extremely close.

You dont understand at all.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Its EMR and in terms of the entire specturm its extremely close.

You dont understand at all.
Fukking lol. Fuk off troll. Go beat off to Zyra some more.

We're talking about telecommunications and WiFi. Stick to the relevant topic at hand.
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post 1615915311 09-08-2020, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
Fukking lol. Fuk off troll. Go beat off to Zyra some more.

We're talking about telecommunications and WiFi. Stick to the relevant topic at hand.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Youre unreachable
You're fat.
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I'm willing to bet that everyone ITT has a 60W, 500 THz EM transmitter sitting five feet from their head right now and doesn't think anything of it.
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People do not be ignorant, educate yourselves.

The frequencies the effects on sweat ducks is sandwiched inbetween 5g and air port scanners, sandwiched inbetween frequencies you will experience in daily life.

This could be understood by reading a highschool physics book.

The EMR spectrum is vast and frequencies 3x each other for all intents and purposes are very close.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
People do not be ignorant, educate yourselves.

The frequencies the effects on sweat ducks is sandwiched inbetween 5g and air port scanners, sandwiched inbetween frequencies you will experience in daily life.

This could be understood by reading a highschool physics book.

The EMR spectrum is vast and frequencies 3x each other for all intents and purposes are very close.
Except they're not very close. Considering frequencies for WiFi and telecom are controlled by the FCC and arelargelylicensed and controlled by the tech that supports said frequencies. Of which, nothing in the current telcom/WiFi industry is anywhere near those frequencies you've posted in an attempt to support the idiotic OP (likely an alt of yours).

Doubling down on stupid chit doesn't make it less stupid. For all intents and purposes you're comparing apples to F15 fighter jets.

Stay fat.
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
Except they're not very close. Considering frequencies for WiFi and telecom are controlled by the FCC and arelargelylicensed and controlled by the tech that supports said frequencies. Of which, nothing in the current telcom/WiFi industry is anywhere near those frequencies you've posted in an attempt to support the idiotic OP (likely an alt of yours).

Doubling down on stupid chit doesn't make it less stupid. For all intents and purposes you're comparing apples to F15 fighter jets.

Stay fat.
What does it matter that they are licensed by the FCC, they have done no studies on the affects to the human body.

They are also entirely very close. Look at the lowest AM radio wave frequencies compared to 5g, look how far those are apart. Then look at the difference between 200 and 60 ghz. Which are actually closer than the other.

There is no other difference other than the frequency. Apple and fighter jet is a stupid comparison and shows complete lack of understanding.
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
Except they're not very close. Considering frequencies for WiFi and telecom are controlled by the FCC and arelargelylicensed and controlled by the tech that supports said frequencies. Of which, nothing in the current telcom/WiFi industry is anywhere near those frequencies you've posted in an attempt to support the idiotic OP (likely an alt of yours).

Doubling down on stupid chit doesn't make it less stupid. For all intents and purposes you're comparing apples to F15 fighter jets.

Stay fat.
He's right though. The EM spectrum is a HUGE place. The FCC mostly just regulates frequencies for traffic handling purposes, to make sure that everyone stays in their lane and doesn't chit all over anyone else's. It's not because 60 GHz is so much more dangerous than 2.4 GHz.

In EM land, 2.4 GHz is like a ten-lane freeway packed to the gills, and the FCC draws the lines on the pavement and regulates a maximum car width. 60 GHz is like the new autobahn they're trying to break a mile over, capable of handling a lot higher speeds. Visible light is like 2 states away. X-rays are like an ocean away.
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He's right though. The EM spectrum is a HUGE place. The FCC mostly just regulates frequencies for traffic handling purposes, to make sure that everyone stays in their lane and doesn't chit all over anyone else's. It's not because 60 GHz is so much more dangerous than 2.4 GHz.

In EM land, 2.4 GHz is like a ten-lane freeway packed to the gills, and the FCC draws the lines on the pavement and regulates a maximum car width. 60 GHz is like the new autobahn they're trying to break a mile over, capable of handling a lot higher speeds. Visible light is like 2 states away. X-rays are like an ocean away.
EMR at such high frequencies has no place in a discussion regarding 5G.
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
EMR at such high frequencies has no place in a discussion regarding 5G.
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Originally Posted By BearyManilowe⏩
EMR at such high frequencies has no place in a discussion regarding 5G.
It's all the same waves, boyo. Light bulbs, radio, X-ray, gamma. Only thing that changes between them is frequency. 2 GHz -> 60 GHz is a very small change in the grand scheme of things.

The major difference between them is that the increasing frequency lowers the penetration depth of the wave. Yep, 5G is less penetrating than what we have now; look up the Beer-Lambert Law. That and it can carry more 30x more 0s and 1s in a second.
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Originally Posted By taskmob⏩
Yup that's why birds don't fly on 5g towery. Just look at the birds, the birds know.
Loads of birds hang out on 5g towers
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idk what to believe


keep arguing so i can decide
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