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09-12-2020, 03:20 PM
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Always wondered this about ultra endurance athletes
Guys like Goggins and Rich Roll. What is the level of exertion needed to do 5 iron mans in 5 days or run 200 miles compared to your average guy.
I know they've trained forever so their limits are obviously completely different world compared to your average overweight dad off the couch but would be interesting to know an equivalent difficulty.
For example running 200 miles for an ultra marathoner is the same as an obese smoker dad off the couch doing a 2k row in 7 minutes. Or is running 200 miles only 9/10 in difficulty for them because of how insanely hard they've trained for this.
I know they've trained forever so their limits are obviously completely different world compared to your average overweight dad off the couch but would be interesting to know an equivalent difficulty.
For example running 200 miles for an ultra marathoner is the same as an obese smoker dad off the couch doing a 2k row in 7 minutes. Or is running 200 miles only 9/10 in difficulty for them because of how insanely hard they've trained for this.
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In both cases its a mental game. Your brain wants to quit but those endurance guys are able to push past that limit and persevere through the pain. The obese smoker dad could physically probably do it, maybe not in 7 minutes but it really is probably 85-90% mental
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09-12-2020, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted By KyBrah32⏩
This. It's mostly mental.In both cases its a mental game. Your brain wants to quit but those endurance guys are able to push past that limit and persevere through the pain. The obese smoker dad could physically probably do it, maybe not in 7 minutes but it really is probably 85-90% mental
09-12-2020, 03:33 PM
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There is no comparison in difficulty. Even if you train every single day for a year for an iron man or something crazy like that. Even after you are completely conditioned and prepared you literally push your body to the breaking point. It takes a long time to even recover from that kind of event. Its not something you can just decide to do. Its a life-style that you have to live for years, day in and day out.
I know a few guys that do triathlons and marathons and its a whole nother level mentally. One guy lives 20 miles from where he works. At least 1 or 2 days per week he runs to work and then back home afterwards. He's a RN so his job is a 12 hour shift in a hospital. A lot of on his feet, moving around, etc.
He literally runs 20 miles, showers, spends 12 hours on his feet at work then runs 20 miles back home afterwards... Just to do it. You can't even grasp that mentality.
I know a few guys that do triathlons and marathons and its a whole nother level mentally. One guy lives 20 miles from where he works. At least 1 or 2 days per week he runs to work and then back home afterwards. He's a RN so his job is a 12 hour shift in a hospital. A lot of on his feet, moving around, etc.
He literally runs 20 miles, showers, spends 12 hours on his feet at work then runs 20 miles back home afterwards... Just to do it. You can't even grasp that mentality.
09-12-2020, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
That sounds like an extremely miserable life, & I've done some exceptionally masochistic things myself.There is no comparison in difficulty. Even if you train every single day for a year for an iron man or something crazy like that. Even after you are completely conditioned and prepared you literally push your body to the breaking point. It takes a long time to even recover from that kind of event. Its not something you can just decide to do. Its a life-style that you have to live for years, day in and day out.
I know a few guys that do triathlons and marathons and its a whole nother level mentally. One guy lives 20 miles from where he works. At least 1 or 2 days per week he runs to work and then back home afterwards. He's a RN so his job is a 12 hour shift in a hospital. A lot of on his feet, moving around, etc.
He literally runs 20 miles, showers, spends 12 hours on his feet at work then runs 20 miles back home afterwards... Just to do it. You can't even grasp that mentality.
I know a few guys that do triathlons and marathons and its a whole nother level mentally. One guy lives 20 miles from where he works. At least 1 or 2 days per week he runs to work and then back home afterwards. He's a RN so his job is a 12 hour shift in a hospital. A lot of on his feet, moving around, etc.
He literally runs 20 miles, showers, spends 12 hours on his feet at work then runs 20 miles back home afterwards... Just to do it. You can't even grasp that mentality.
09-12-2020, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Damn son. I think there's a whole another level of reward associated with doing something like that though. You feel accomplished. You feel self-actualised on a plane not many people even reach in their life.There is no comparison in difficulty. Even if you train every single day for a year for an iron man or something crazy like that. Even after you are completely conditioned and prepared you literally push your body to the breaking point. It takes a long time to even recover from that kind of event. Its not something you can just decide to do. Its a life-style that you have to live for years, day in and day out.
I know a few guys that do triathlons and marathons and its a whole nother level mentally. One guy lives 20 miles from where he works. At least 1 or 2 days per week he runs to work and then back home afterwards. He's a RN so his job is a 12 hour shift in a hospital. A lot of on his feet, moving around, etc.
He literally runs 20 miles, showers, spends 12 hours on his feet at work then runs 20 miles back home afterwards... Just to do it. You can't even grasp that mentality.
I know a few guys that do triathlons and marathons and its a whole nother level mentally. One guy lives 20 miles from where he works. At least 1 or 2 days per week he runs to work and then back home afterwards. He's a RN so his job is a 12 hour shift in a hospital. A lot of on his feet, moving around, etc.
He literally runs 20 miles, showers, spends 12 hours on his feet at work then runs 20 miles back home afterwards... Just to do it. You can't even grasp that mentality.
09-12-2020, 03:40 PM
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09-12-2020, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted By KyBrah32⏩
did you say you did a 30 mile run in another thread? Anyway, I agree that a lot of it is mental but there's definitely an underlying physiology that's necessary. I really don't think the average dude off the couch could run a 5k in a reasonable time, simply because they lack the physiological adaptations. Running at 200lbs and 30%bf is probably really taxing on the body.In both cases its a mental game. Your brain wants to quit but those endurance guys are able to push past that limit and persevere through the pain. The obese smoker dad could physically probably do it, maybe not in 7 minutes but it really is probably 85-90% mental
09-12-2020, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Strawng⏩
I really don't understand it. Physique wise he just looks like an average guy.That sounds like an extremely miserable life, & I've done some exceptionally masochistic things myself.
Funny thing is the other big triathlon/marathon guy I know used to bodybuild. Never got on stage but at his peak he was like 6'2 240lbs and lean. Now he's only 145lbs and he runs all the time. Dude is shredded to the bone and still lifts weight (full body) 2x per week to maintain some strength. But its just mind blowing he wants to be that skinny compared to his old self.
He's like 46 or 47 now and just married a young HBB that's about 24 or 25 now. So I guess being super lean as an older guy does have some advantages.
Originally Posted By Schnitzl⏩
The guys I know that are into endurance sports love it. I don't really under-stand it but its not just a sport or hobby. Its a life-style for them.Damn son. I think there's a whole another level of reward associated with doing something like that though. You feel accomplished. You feel self-actualised on a plane not many people even reach in their life.
09-12-2020, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted By LordBroly⏩
Yeah few weeks ago. Idk man I think an average person who's willing to push themselves could get it done. I wouldnt recommend it for risk of injury, but I think they could.did you say you did a 30 mile run in another thread? Anyway, I agree that a lot of it is mental but there's definitely an underlying physiology that's necessary. I really don't think the average dude off the couch could run a 5k in a reasonable time, simply because they lack the physiological adaptations. Running at 200lbs and 30%bf is probably really taxing on the body.
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09-12-2020, 03:58 PM
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It’s much easier than it is for your average person. Their bodies are basically machines. People in this thread are acting like them running an ultramarathon is like taking a 300 lb untrained person and making them run a marathon and that’s simply not true at all. The 300 lb person would have a much harder time doing it.
Once you get to a certain level of fitness your cardio is just so good that you don’t even really get tired from exercising because your heart is pumping blood so efficiently and your metabolism is so much better at getting the waste products out of your muscles efficiently. An ultramarathon would still be ****ing hell and unimaginably grueling and painful because your muscles would get so fatigued and broken down over that many miles, but not in the same way that it would be for an untrained person at all.
Once you get to a certain level of fitness your cardio is just so good that you don’t even really get tired from exercising because your heart is pumping blood so efficiently and your metabolism is so much better at getting the waste products out of your muscles efficiently. An ultramarathon would still be ****ing hell and unimaginably grueling and painful because your muscles would get so fatigued and broken down over that many miles, but not in the same way that it would be for an untrained person at all.
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I think the easiest analogy is to use lifts.
Your average gym goer might get to a point after a couple years where they are in the top 10% of the gym in terms of strength.
But there’s world class athletes are warming up with or doing light working sets with there max every day
Your average runner might get some decent 5-10ks in and eventually get to the marathon level.
But world class endurance athletes are putting in 20 miles on a training day easy.
You have people like Zach Bitter running 100 miles at a pace faster than the majority of the country can run 1 mile, and faster then the majority of average runners can keep up for 20.
All that said I don’t think 100 miles is a 5/10 for any of them. The wear and tear and prep alone has to put it in that 65-85% range depending on their capacity.
That’s my guess at least. They’re all crazy kunts
Your average gym goer might get to a point after a couple years where they are in the top 10% of the gym in terms of strength.
But there’s world class athletes are warming up with or doing light working sets with there max every day
Your average runner might get some decent 5-10ks in and eventually get to the marathon level.
But world class endurance athletes are putting in 20 miles on a training day easy.
You have people like Zach Bitter running 100 miles at a pace faster than the majority of the country can run 1 mile, and faster then the majority of average runners can keep up for 20.
All that said I don’t think 100 miles is a 5/10 for any of them. The wear and tear and prep alone has to put it in that 65-85% range depending on their capacity.
That’s my guess at least. They’re all crazy kunts
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
How do you even eat the calories to support that lifestyle JesusThere is no comparison in difficulty. Even if you train every single day for a year for an iron man or something crazy like that. Even after you are completely conditioned and prepared you literally push your body to the breaking point. It takes a long time to even recover from that kind of event. Its not something you can just decide to do. Its a life-style that you have to live for years, day in and day out.
I know a few guys that do triathlons and marathons and its a whole nother level mentally. One guy lives 20 miles from where he works. At least 1 or 2 days per week he runs to work and then back home afterwards. He's a RN so his job is a 12 hour shift in a hospital. A lot of on his feet, moving around, etc.
He literally runs 20 miles, showers, spends 12 hours on his feet at work then runs 20 miles back home afterwards... Just to do it. You can't even grasp that mentality.
I know a few guys that do triathlons and marathons and its a whole nother level mentally. One guy lives 20 miles from where he works. At least 1 or 2 days per week he runs to work and then back home afterwards. He's a RN so his job is a 12 hour shift in a hospital. A lot of on his feet, moving around, etc.
He literally runs 20 miles, showers, spends 12 hours on his feet at work then runs 20 miles back home afterwards... Just to do it. You can't even grasp that mentality.
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09-12-2020, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Evlve⏩
The upper tier endurance athletes are insane. Jim Walmsley holds course records for ultras and during one of his training blocks he was doing 185 miles/week. Dude ran 100 mile race in 14:09 which is ~8:30 pace for 100 fuking miles on trail which includes breaks to eat/hydrateI think the easiest analogy is to use lifts.
Your average gym goer might get to a point after a couple years where they are in the top 10% of the gym in terms of strength.
But there’s world class athletes are warming up with or doing light working sets with there max every day
Your average runner might get some decent 5-10ks in and eventually get to the marathon level.
But world class endurance athletes are putting in 20 miles on a training day easy.
You have people like Zach Bitter running 100 miles at a pace faster than the majority of the country can run 1 mile, and faster then the majority of average runners can keep up for 20.
All that said I don’t think 100 miles is a 5/10 for any of them. The wear and tear and prep alone has to put it in that 65-85% range depending on their capacity.
That’s my guess at least. They’re all crazy kunts
Your average gym goer might get to a point after a couple years where they are in the top 10% of the gym in terms of strength.
But there’s world class athletes are warming up with or doing light working sets with there max every day
Your average runner might get some decent 5-10ks in and eventually get to the marathon level.
But world class endurance athletes are putting in 20 miles on a training day easy.
You have people like Zach Bitter running 100 miles at a pace faster than the majority of the country can run 1 mile, and faster then the majority of average runners can keep up for 20.
All that said I don’t think 100 miles is a 5/10 for any of them. The wear and tear and prep alone has to put it in that 65-85% range depending on their capacity.
That’s my guess at least. They’re all crazy kunts
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09-12-2020, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted By KyBrah32⏩
He ran 50 miles at 5:48 pace. Marathon WR is like 4:40 pace.The upper tier endurance athletes are insane. Jim Walmsley holds course records for ultras and during one of his training blocks he was doing 185 miles/week. Dude ran 100 mile race in 14:09 which is ~8:30 pace for 100 fuking miles on trail which includes breaks to eat/hydrate
Also, he ran the 100-mile record on this famously difficult terrain, not a regular trail.
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Sounds gayThere is no comparison in difficulty. Even if you train every single day for a year for an iron man or something crazy like that. Even after you are completely conditioned and prepared you literally push your body to the breaking point. It takes a long time to even recover from that kind of event. Its not something you can just decide to do. Its a life-style that you have to live for years, day in and day out.
I know a few guys that do triathlons and marathons and its a whole nother level mentally. One guy lives 20 miles from where he works. At least 1 or 2 days per week he runs to work and then back home afterwards. He's a RN so his job is a 12 hour shift in a hospital. A lot of on his feet, moving around, etc.
He literally runs 20 miles, showers, spends 12 hours on his feet at work then runs 20 miles back home afterwards... Just to do it. You can't even grasp that mentality.
I know a few guys that do triathlons and marathons and its a whole nother level mentally. One guy lives 20 miles from where he works. At least 1 or 2 days per week he runs to work and then back home afterwards. He's a RN so his job is a 12 hour shift in a hospital. A lot of on his feet, moving around, etc.
He literally runs 20 miles, showers, spends 12 hours on his feet at work then runs 20 miles back home afterwards... Just to do it. You can't even grasp that mentality.
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09-12-2020, 04:51 PM
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If you are interested in this OP, check out interviews with Andrew Huberman on youtube (Joe Rogan and the like). Part of what his group is studying is why we give up. Once Norepinephrine (I think) gets to a certain level, we quit. Dopamine can reduce the level momentarily allowing us to continue, a bit more dopamine and we can keep going a bit longer etc. His example is someone cracking a joke when everyone is at the end of their effort, suddenly you have energy again for a bit. This obviously stop us pursuing things with no payoff. I've not read his book (yet) Goggins claims to somehow able to 'feed off the suck' some how turn the suck into a source of this to keep going.
It also may explain depression. Your reward system is fuked so you quit at just about everything in life.
It also may explain depression. Your reward system is fuked so you quit at just about everything in life.
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09-12-2020, 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted By zknarc⏩
Yeah, watched his JRE then watched his Rich Roll podcast and been following Huber + Roll since. Interesting guys and great tips on tricking your brain into enabling bigger neuroplasticity. It's an interesting theory that feeding off the suck and I've been consciously trying to do it myself every time the HIIT gets hard at the end of the workouts. Jumping into cold water is one way I practice it. Yes it's cold but once you can turn off the part of the brain that signals those impulses, it feels more weird than cold being in icy water.If you are interested in this OP, check out interviews with Andrew Huberman on youtube (Joe Rogan and the like). Part of what his group is studying is why we give up. Once Norepinephrine (I think) gets to a certain level, we quit. Dopamine can reduce the level momentarily allowing us to continue, a bit more dopamine and we can keep going a bit longer etc. His example is someone cracking a joke when everyone is at the end of their effort, suddenly you have energy again for a bit. This obviously stop us pursuing things with no payoff. I've not read his book (yet) Goggins claims to somehow able to 'feed off the suck' some how turn the suck into a source of this to keep going.
It also may explain depression. Your reward system is fuked so you quit at just about everything in life.
It also may explain depression. Your reward system is fuked so you quit at just about everything in life.
09-12-2020, 05:10 PM
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