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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
No. Evidence and civility is at stake. Your street would be over run with crime if criminal drug syndicates are able to keep profiting without repercussion. I get the theory but how do you stop an enterprise like that.The main issue is that every time they kick the wrong door and kill someone, literally nothing happens to them - zero consequences. Either hold them accountable, or stop executing no-knock warrants.
@memcop, outside of hostage situations or situations where there is imminent threat of loss of life, admit that police could easily wait these people out in nearly every case. It's not *the only* way to do it.
That aside, hopefully the cops mag dump these rioting animals.
@memcop, outside of hostage situations or situations where there is imminent threat of loss of life, admit that police could easily wait these people out in nearly every case. It's not *the only* way to do it.
That aside, hopefully the cops mag dump these rioting animals.
And fyi outside of drug nonsense that is already how it works. We wait and serve the warrant when optimal for safety. Drugs are highly mobile, easily disposable, and fund domestic terrorism at every level. Every murder in the streets is based off of what we already cannot stop.
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09-23-2020, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted By PISTELERO⏩
All unfortunate and settled through the courts. Not everything is criminal in nature. I do agree that incompetence should be criminal such as hitting the wrong house but how do you write that law? What does it say?The Marine in phx where the cops raided the wrong house ... Or that time the cops threw a flashbang into a baby's crib..... that chit makes my blood boil... But they said in this case the cops DID announce themselves
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09-23-2020, 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
I don't want to defund or abolish police.These people are human. Do you honestly expect the literally hundreds of millions of police-criminal interactions to go perfectly everytime?
Are you perfect in your job when deal with inatimate objects like furniture?
Yet you expect police to be when dealing with psychopaths, criminals, and people who could give a F about life on a daily. basis?
The fact that only 9 unarmed black men were killed last year by police, 7 of whom were resisting arrest without a gun, is to me astounding when considering there are 400 million police-citizen interactions and that many of those citizens are pure criminals.
Why don't you go live in ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD and say what you are now about US police, and then say how bad US police are.
Your outright hatred for police isn't just strange, its psychotic.
Why don't you defund the police in your city and then tell us how safe your sons are from the dirty underground of our country.
You expect everyone to be perfect but yourself.
Are you perfect in your job when deal with inatimate objects like furniture?
Yet you expect police to be when dealing with psychopaths, criminals, and people who could give a F about life on a daily. basis?
The fact that only 9 unarmed black men were killed last year by police, 7 of whom were resisting arrest without a gun, is to me astounding when considering there are 400 million police-citizen interactions and that many of those citizens are pure criminals.
Why don't you go live in ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD and say what you are now about US police, and then say how bad US police are.
Your outright hatred for police isn't just strange, its psychotic.
Why don't you defund the police in your city and then tell us how safe your sons are from the dirty underground of our country.
You expect everyone to be perfect but yourself.
The fact is unlike my job if a police officer makes a mistake with an innocent person he destroys a life.
That's the difference. They don't have to kill someone to destroy them. The guy arrested for donut sugar lost his job. Now as a felony arrest on his record. Had tons of legal fees.
Stuff like that happens all the time. Cops often misunderstand laws and wrongfully arrest people.
Should there not be repercussions for that?
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09-23-2020, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted By Jaroctor⏩
Your post is inverted on itself. Its literally a constitutional exception to search and protect all involved.Funny how so many people can talk about “muh rights” and defend no knock warrants just ****ing LOL
Before they got eliminated in most places they were extremely hard to get. Now other places that were more easy to obtain were garbage.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Was he paid for his troubles?I don't want to defund or abolish police.
The fact is unlike my job if a police officer makes a mistake with an innocent person he destroys a life.
That's the difference. They don't have to kill someone to destroy them. The guy arrested for donut sugar lost his job. Now as a felony arrest on his record. Had tons of legal fees.
Stuff like that happens all the time. Cops often misunderstand laws and wrongfully arrest people.
Should there not be repercussions for that?
The fact is unlike my job if a police officer makes a mistake with an innocent person he destroys a life.
That's the difference. They don't have to kill someone to destroy them. The guy arrested for donut sugar lost his job. Now as a felony arrest on his record. Had tons of legal fees.
Stuff like that happens all the time. Cops often misunderstand laws and wrongfully arrest people.
Should there not be repercussions for that?
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09-23-2020, 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Just being paid is not enough.Was he paid for his troubles?
There should be criminal punishment for the cop.
No different than a woman filing a false rape claim should go to jail.
Just getting fired only to be hired by another agency is bullchit. That's not punishment.
If cops were truly held accountable I think cop behavior would improve.
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09-23-2020, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
So vengeance?Just being paid is not enough.
There should be criminal punishment for the cop.
No different than a woman filing a false rape claim should go to jail.
Just getting fired only to be hired by another agency is bullchit. That's not punishment.
If cops were truly held accountable I think cop behavior would improve.
There should be criminal punishment for the cop.
No different than a woman filing a false rape claim should go to jail.
Just getting fired only to be hired by another agency is bullchit. That's not punishment.
If cops were truly held accountable I think cop behavior would improve.
A woman LYING is not the same as the woman BELIEVING she was raped.
Same principle applies with criminal law. Intent and good faith are considered. Judging what the police knew and reasonably believed at the time of whatever action is the standard.
As much as you feels, criminal intent has to be proven. Because you want vengeance it still doesnt make something that is not a crime...a crime.
Humans are imperfect. There are plenty of similar instances every day by the civilian populas that are tragic but do not meet the standard.
Yes being paid is enough. It's the law.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Ya, I guess like everything in life nothing is or can be PERFECT including our law enforcement system. I think for the most part it's good, if your not committing a crime, and carry yourself with dignity and respect, and treat the police with respect, then you won't have a terrible time (unless your the small percentage). But i definitely think body cams are a no brainier and should be mandatory, for your safety and mineAll unfortunate and settled through the courts. Not everything is criminal in nature. I do agree that incompetence should be criminal such as hitting the wrong house but how do you write that law? What does it say?
Edit: I'd also like to thank you for your service on the misc, there's not many avenues for one to have this conversation with an actual LEO
09-23-2020, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I'll be back tomorrow. I have a long day tomorrow.So vengeance?
A woman LYING is not the same as the woman BELIEVING she was raped.
Same principle applies with criminal law. Intent and good faith are considered. Judging what the police knew and reasonably believed at the time of whatever action is the standard.
As much as you feels, criminal intent has to be proven. Because you want vengeance it still doesnt make something that is not a crime...a crime.
Humans are imperfect. There are plenty of similar instances every day by the civilian populas that are tragic but do not meet the standard.
Yes being paid is enough. It's the law.
A woman LYING is not the same as the woman BELIEVING she was raped.
Same principle applies with criminal law. Intent and good faith are considered. Judging what the police knew and reasonably believed at the time of whatever action is the standard.
As much as you feels, criminal intent has to be proven. Because you want vengeance it still doesnt make something that is not a crime...a crime.
Humans are imperfect. There are plenty of similar instances every day by the civilian populas that are tragic but do not meet the standard.
Yes being paid is enough. It's the law.
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09-23-2020, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
So what would your solution to these problems be? What would be your biggest change to the law enforcement community?I'll be back tomorrow. I have a long day tomorrow.
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Originally Posted By leoslayer1⏩
Give me specific examples.Just being paid is not enough.
There should be criminal punishment for the cop.
No different than a woman filing a false rape claim should go to jail.
Just getting fired only to be hired by another agency is bullchit. That's not punishment.
If cops were truly held accountable I think cop behavior would improve.
There should be criminal punishment for the cop.
No different than a woman filing a false rape claim should go to jail.
Just getting fired only to be hired by another agency is bullchit. That's not punishment.
If cops were truly held accountable I think cop behavior would improve.
If a cop walks up to a complete bystander and shoots them in the head, just like many blacks have done to whites the past few months? Yes they should be charged.
But here is the thing....cops don't do that do they?
If the black criminal is resisting arrest and gets shot? No, there should be no charges.
In the case of Taylor.....her bf shot first. She was an innocent bystander and it is unfortunate that she was shot. But lets face it, she lived and dealt in a drug criminal world and if she hadn't? None of this would have happened. And as far as the cop shooting her? She was in a house where someone was shooting at the police and she was caught in the crossfire. It is sad yes.
Criminal? No.
And the DA agrees.
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Originally Posted By PISTELERO⏩
No worries. While slayer isn't slaying, hes the pivot man at the center of this circle jerk that brings us together.Ya, I guess like everything in life nothing is or can be PERFECT including our law enforcement system. I think for the most part it's good, if your not committing a crime, and carry yourself with dignity and respect, and treat the police with respect, then you won't have a terrible time (unless your the small percentage). But i definitely think body cams are a no brainier and should be mandatory, for your safety and mine
Edit: I'd also like to thank you for your service on the misc, there's not many avenues for one to have this conversation with an actual LEO
Edit: I'd also like to thank you for your service on the misc, there's not many avenues for one to have this conversation with an actual LEO
Double agree on body cameras. Before we had them we would regularly have 600 IA cases open (large department). Afterwards we have 100 annually on average and those are opened due to other observed behaviors that warrants investigation and are usually petty in nature (procedural).
It is much more helpful to officers and the courts and gives levels of transparency that should have changed police perception. However it amplified the poor behavior of citizens and rocketed cases through the criminal justice system. Hardly any patrol level guys have to testify. No tears, only guilty pleas now.
Firm case of cognitive dissonance after body cameras. Too easy to examine a certain case as they all have their own facts. Nope. Now it's the whole system that is corrupt. Pfft
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
*grand jury agrees*Give me specific examples.
If a cop walks up to a complete bystander and shoots them in the head, just like many blacks have done to whites the past few months? Yes they should be charged.
But here is the thing....cops don't do that do they?
If the black criminal is resisting arrest and gets shot? No, there should be no charges.
In the case of Taylor.....her bf shot first. She was an innocent bystander and it is unfortunate that she was shot. But lets face it, she lived and dealt in a drug criminal world and if she hadn't? None of this would have happened. And as far as the cop shooting her? She was in a house where someone was shooting at the police and she was caught in the crossfire. It is sad yes.
Criminal? No.
And the DA agrees.
If a cop walks up to a complete bystander and shoots them in the head, just like many blacks have done to whites the past few months? Yes they should be charged.
But here is the thing....cops don't do that do they?
If the black criminal is resisting arrest and gets shot? No, there should be no charges.
In the case of Taylor.....her bf shot first. She was an innocent bystander and it is unfortunate that she was shot. But lets face it, she lived and dealt in a drug criminal world and if she hadn't? None of this would have happened. And as far as the cop shooting her? She was in a house where someone was shooting at the police and she was caught in the crossfire. It is sad yes.
Criminal? No.
And the DA agrees.
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Originally Posted By PISTELERO⏩
Perhaps the drug dealers shouldnt have guns. I will never understand why so many of you people think that you can break the law and be 100% fine. Theres a wide range of **** that can happen to you so the BEST thing to do is Dont break the fxuking law. Its amazing the lack of accountability.This. The fact they do no knock door kicks for drugs is a prime example of "my safety is more important than yours" and when nobody is held accountable a prime example of "my life matters more because my job is dangerous" used to be a saying "better to let 100 guilty go than punish an innocent"..... That seems to have been thrown out the window
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Originally Posted By gamehendge⏩
how is he a drug dealer if he is a licensed gun owner with a criminal history? i'm so confused on this point. can you still be a licensed gun owner with a criminal history relating to drugs?Perhaps the drug dealers shouldnt have guns. I will never understand why so many of you people think that you can break the law and be 100% fine. Theres a wide range of **** that can happen to you so the BEST thing to do is Dont break the fxuking law. Its amazing the lack of accountability.
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Originally Posted By ontclone⏩
Just watch the NY times documentaryhow is he a drug dealer if he is a licensed gun owner with a criminal history? i'm so confused on this point. can you still be a licensed gun owner with a criminal history relating to drugs?
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Originally Posted By gamehendge⏩
Relax pal. I don't have a problem with the police kicking in the door of a dangerous criminal, I DO have a problem with the police kicking in the door of an innocent person, because of wrong address, bad info, whatever. But idk what can really be done about it. Living in a society comes with many safeties and certain risks...Perhaps the drug dealers shouldnt have guns. I will never understand why so many of you people think that you can break the law and be 100% fine. Theres a wide range of **** that can happen to you so the BEST thing to do is Dont break the fxuking law. Its amazing the lack of accountability.
Edit: I don't sincerely worry it will ever happen to me, but I still don't like it happening to anyone ever.
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Originally Posted By ontclone⏩
"Criminal history" can mean anything and doesn't necessarily mean a felony, he still has rights with a misdemeanor...how is he a drug dealer if he is a licensed gun owner with a criminal history? i'm so confused on this point. can you still be a licensed gun owner with a criminal history relating to drugs?
Edit: here in AZ a first offense for drugs (coke, meth, heroin) is given a felony (2 actually, 1 for the drug and 1 for whatever you were carrying it in SRS) BUT after court ordered drug classes and like 6 months probation those felonies are dropped to misdemeanors at which point you get your rights back
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Originally Posted By ontclone⏩
No intent to insult you but you should aware yourself on things like this with great zeal or others will carry a narrative and speak for you. Should you half pay attention, what you know and love will rot.can you just explain quickly? not going to watch a whole doc, i am just curious on this point.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Since when is intent the be all end all of criminal behaviour? What is manslaughter?So vengeance?
A woman LYING is not the same as the woman BELIEVING she was raped.
Same principle applies with criminal law. Intent and good faith are considered. Judging what the police knew and reasonably believed at the time of whatever action is the standard.
As much as you feels, criminal intent has to be proven. Because you want vengeance it still doesnt make something that is not a crime...a crime.
Humans are imperfect. There are plenty of similar instances every day by the civilian populas that are tragic but do not meet the standard.
Yes being paid is enough. It's the law.
A woman LYING is not the same as the woman BELIEVING she was raped.
Same principle applies with criminal law. Intent and good faith are considered. Judging what the police knew and reasonably believed at the time of whatever action is the standard.
As much as you feels, criminal intent has to be proven. Because you want vengeance it still doesnt make something that is not a crime...a crime.
Humans are imperfect. There are plenty of similar instances every day by the civilian populas that are tragic but do not meet the standard.
Yes being paid is enough. It's the law.
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Originally Posted By Jaroctor⏩
So...you're saying that there is no intent in manslaughter?Since when is intent the be all end all of criminal behaviour? What is manslaughter?
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I don't have to aware myself on this, I live in Canada. Won't have no standing in my life ever. Just curious on that point.No intent to insult you but you should aware yourself on things like this with great zeal or others will carry a narrative and speak for you. Should you half pay attention, what you know and love will rot.
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Originally Posted By PISTELERO⏩
This makes sense, thanks"Criminal history" can mean anything and doesn't necessarily mean a felony, he still has rights with a misdemeanor...
Edit: here in AZ a first offense for drugs (coke, meth, heroin) is given a felony (2 actually, 1 for the drug and 1 for whatever you were carrying it in SRS) BUT after court ordered drug classes and like 6 months probation those felonies are dropped to misdemeanors at which point you get your rights back
Edit: here in AZ a first offense for drugs (coke, meth, heroin) is given a felony (2 actually, 1 for the drug and 1 for whatever you were carrying it in SRS) BUT after court ordered drug classes and like 6 months probation those felonies are dropped to misdemeanors at which point you get your rights back
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Originally Posted By ontclone⏩
Oh. Then shut up bobble head. No time to mansplain US legal nuances to someone who doesnt even care.I don't have to aware myself on this, I live in Canada. Won't have no standing in my life ever. Just curious on that point.
Long story short. Dont shoot at cops, they shoot back.
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Originally Posted By ontclone⏩
Also I think it's 7 years after a felony you can apply to restore your rights, depending on the felony, so that could be the case alsoThis makes sense, thanks
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