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post 1617912571 09-29-2020, 09:23 AM
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Standing Shoulder Press

Do you brahs shrug at the top of the shoulder press or not? I hear it's bad for the rotator cuffs, but the insane trap pump it gives.
post 1617912721 09-29-2020, 09:25 AM
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In for answers from smarter miscers. I always thought you were supposed to fully extend at the top.
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post 1617915091 09-29-2020, 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted By scythiss1⏩
Do you brahs shrug at the top of the shoulder press or not? I hear it's bad for the rotator cuffs, but the insane trap pump it gives.
I don't, but I learned a trick from Paul Carter for a sick trap pump - as a finisher he does one set of 100 reps of a front raise that goes all the way overhead using a plate - though he has said he now uses a kettle bell so the weight is behind the arms in this motion. I have been doing a set of 50 with a 26lb KB as a finisher after every upper body day and it has actually made my traps noticeable

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post 1617915331 09-29-2020, 09:55 AM
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No. And this is not a very good idea, particularly if you’re using anywhere near maximal weights.

To shrug in an overhead position like that would force your upper back and scapula to lose tightness.

Losing tightness when you have 200 or 300 pounds over your head is not good.
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post 1617916241 09-29-2020, 10:06 AM
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There's no such thing as bad movement. Your rotator cuff wont explode from shrugging at the top of a press. rotator cuff injuries are actually very overrated, but bad pts love selling the narrative because it's easy to sell placebos to people in pain and A LOT of people will experience shoulder pain in their life.
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post 1617916691 09-29-2020, 10:12 AM
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post 1617916761 09-29-2020, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
No. And this is not a very good idea, particularly if you’re using anywhere near maximal weights.

To shrug in an overhead position like that would force your upper back and scapula to lose tightness.

Losing tightness when you have 200 or 300 pounds over your head is not good.
Hmm maybe I should stop doing them. Not that strong yet to where im even shoulder pressing 200lbs. Just started lifting again a few months ago at 185 for 3 sets of 8 right now.
Originally Posted By TrickHenry⏩
There's no such thing as bad movement. Your rotator cuff wont explode from shrugging at the top of a press. rotator cuff injuries are actually very overrated, but bad pts love selling the narrative because it's easy to sell placebos to people in pain and A LOT of people will experience shoulder pain in their life.
I have noticed my shoulders being tight lately, I wonder if it's from shrugging at the top. I need to research more into this.
post 1617917021 09-29-2020, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted By DrewDarden⏩
No. And this is not a very good idea, particularly if you’re using anywhere near maximal weights.

To shrug in an overhead position like that would force your upper back and scapula to lose tightness.

Losing tightness when you have 200 or 300 pounds over your head is not good.
Yeah I just tried it in my office and felt the upper back disengage and my scapula move. Couldn't imagine doing this with any amount of weight.
Originally Posted By scythiss1⏩
I have noticed my shoulders being tight lately, I wonder if it's from shrugging at the top. I need to research more into this.
It is possible you are doing shrugs without too little ROM and too much weight. Your traps look big in your avi but I'd assume your lower/mid traps are weak which can cause shoulder pain.

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post 1617917261 09-29-2020, 10:18 AM
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This is the first time I have ever heard of this. Shrugging at the top of the lift with weight over your head? That's a recipe for disaster.
post 1617919221 09-29-2020, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
I don't, but I learned a trick from Paul Carter for a sick trap pump - as a finisher he does one set of 100 reps of a front raise that goes all the way overhead using a plate - though he has said he now uses a kettle bell so the weight is behind the arms in this motion. I have been doing a set of 50 with a 26lb KB as a finisher after every upper body day and it has actually made my traps noticeable

https://www.t-nation.com/training/ti...ises-for-traps
Gonna try this
post 1617924411 09-29-2020, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By supup⏩
Gonna try this
Start with a 10lb plate or KB - it's a lot more than it sounds but may the whole upper back feels great after doing them. I can't finish 50reps with a 25lb KB without stopping yet - break it down in 15/15/10/5/5 but I don't put the bell down in between. I tried the 45lb plate once and that is A LOT but I like the high reps better. I did 100 reps once with the 10lb plate but by the end I wasn't feeling it in the muscles and was likely just winging my arms through the motion.
post 1617924641 09-29-2020, 11:46 AM
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Nope. Do you mean for a stronger lockout? Actively think shrugging? Could lead to neck sprains.
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