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post 1618362201 10-03-2020, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor
Maskers are the ones forcing people to wear masks. In CA it's a misdemeanor because the liberal govt wants to arrests people for not wearing masks. Yet somehow it's not political?
You mentioned the elections, how does enforcing masks if you are in public have anything to do with elections?
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Originally Posted By yokeybear
they have to label this for legal reasons, or they can be sued.

no one is saying masks are 100% protection against covid, but they drastically reduce the spread, just like an umbrella drastically reduces you from getting wet.

any lawyer brahs want to chime in?

It's just like the stupid warnings companies put on small plastic pieces, choking hazard, or warnings to not submerge a toaster into a bathtub.

they are covering their ass. lol the logic.

do you only shop at the dollar store to get cheap products? probably not.. don't buy cheap.. aren't you pro america? buy american made!

so you buy from china and india? lmao bad company buying cheap products and selling to americans. sad world these days to make a buck. AMERICA FIRST!
Originally Posted By yokeybear
The non maskers are the only ones making it political.

The maskers are pro health and pro life. My decision to wear a mask has nothing to do with the election. What are you on about?

You keep posting trash replies, bitching and moaning about your freedom being infringed upon.

Can you post anything remotely close to defend your stance?
This is what Virologists wear when in a Level 4 Vriolab like the Wuhan one that COVID came from.








But don't worry, your mask will work just fine bro.
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Originally Posted By Suit
This is what Virologists wear when in a Level 4 Vriolab like the Wuhan one that COVID came from.








But don't worry, your mask will work just fine bro.
As said before, won’t protect you from covid, but prevents droplets from the spread.
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Originally Posted By Suit
This is what Virologists wear when in a Level 4 Vriolab like the Wuhan one that COVID came from.








But don't worry, your mask will work just fine bro.
dam, reminds me of The Demon in The Freezer and The Hot Zone.

just imagine if ebola got around
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Originally Posted By yokeybear
As said before, won’t protect you from covid, but prevents droplets from the spread.
Droplets?

Do you have any idea how small a virus is and how large the holes in the mask are? Of course not, you speak from ignorance rather than looking up anything yourself.





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Originally Posted By Suit
Droplets?

Do you have any idea how small a virus is and how large the holes in the mask are? Of course not, you speak from ignorance rather than looking up anything yourself.


Suit brah knows more than the mayo clinic, the pro science group


https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...k/art-20485449


Cloth masks

A cloth mask is intended to trap droplets that are released when the wearer talks, coughs or sneezes. Asking everyone to wear cloth masks can help reduce the spread of the virus by people who have COVID-19 but don't realize it.

Cloth face coverings are most likely to reduce the spread of the COVID-19 virus when they are widely used by people in public settings. And countries that required face masks, testing, isolation and social distancing early in the pandemic have successfully slowed the spread of the virus.

While surgical and N95 masks may be in short supply and should be reserved for health care providers, cloth face coverings and masks are easy to find or make, and can be washed and reused.

Masks can be made from common materials, such as sheets made of tightly woven cotton. Instructions are easy to find online. Cloth masks should include multiple layers of fabric. The CDC website even includes directions for no-sew masks made from bandannas and T-shirts.
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Originally Posted By yokeybear
You mentioned the elections, how does enforcing masks if you are in public have anything to do with elections?
Nice redirect, but sure I'll answer this. Since at this point it's obvious your trolling since you've avoided everything I've said (with sources mind you), and you have given zero rebuttal for any of it other than calling it moaning.

Let me put this simply, so even you can understand.
Democrats want to shut down in-person voting, they want everyone to voting by mail.

If masks worked, this wouldn't be an issue. Somehow democrats are scared that people will get infected by voting in person, but they are completely ok with the following:

https://www.deccanherald.com/sites/d...1585126963.jpg

If you can't realize it's political at this point, no one can help you, but don't worry as soon as reddit tells you that masks never worked, you'll start claiming you always believed they never worked.
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Originally Posted By yokeybear
Politics is a multi-faced word, we are on the subject on elections per your comment, not laws.

Are you afraid of voting by mail?

You are contradicting by saying american’s shouldn’t have the right to vote safely. Why should we have to stand in line with people like you who don’t practice common safety precautions. It’s our right to vote and vote safely.

Masks aren't full proof and you of all people should know that. The transmission of the virus is primarily airborne and the distance it travels through the air is greatly reduced by mask usage thus preventing the rate of spread. The reason why we have 6 feet distancing rules set in place.

What you are saying is that every person should leave the comfort of their home, un-quarantine themselves just to cast a vote because your political compass and belief don’t align with science.
Yes, I don't see liberals outlawing this:
https://townsquare.media/site/252/fi...jpg?w=980&q=75
Or that costco pic.

Unlike you, people work for a living. They have to "un-quarantine" to go to work everyday that can't sit at home collecting welfare all day.

But I forgot, reddit told you that the rioters in the blm image are white supremacists...

Good to know we both agree blm and progressives don't believe in science.
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Furthermore, Taiwan practiced wearing masks and other country wide protocols to ensure the reduction of spreading the virus. They have had only 7 deaths and just over 500 cases.

They are currently allowed to have large gatherings etc resume life almost to normal.

America could have been this, but thanks to no maskers, folks who don’t care and require “freedom” are preventing us from doing so.

Would love to hear anyone’s take on Taiwan

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/asia/...ntl/index.html
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Originally Posted By AccountingMajor
Yes, I don't see liberals outlawing this:
https://townsquare.media/site/252/fi...jpg?w=980&q=75
Or that costco pic.

Unlike you, people work for a living. They have to "un-quarantine" to go to work everyday that can't sit at home collecting welfare all day.

But I forgot, reddit told you that the rioters in the blm image are white supremacists...

Good to know we both agree blm and progressives don't believe in science.
Great assumption brah.
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Originally Posted By yokeybear
Furthermore, Taiwan practiced wearing masks and other country wide protocols to ensure the reduction of spreading the virus. They have had only 7 deaths and just over 500 cases.

They are currently allowed to have large gatherings etc resume life almost to normal.

America could have been this, but thanks to no maskers, folks who don’t care and require “freedom” are preventing us from doing so.

Would love to hear anyone’s take on Taiwan

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/21/asia/...ntl/index.html
Uses CNN as a source. Some people can't be saved

How about some pubmed links?

Oh... the majority of the studies either downright reject the efficacy of masks, or say there needs to be more data
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Originally Posted By xeron
Uses CNN as a source. Some people can't be saved

How about some pubmed links?

Oh... the majority of the studies either downright reject the efficacy of masks, or say there needs to be more data
A pubmed link on taiwan story? Aware of me of such
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Originally Posted By yokeybear
A pubmed link on taiwan story? Aware of me of such
Of masks preventing viral transmission thus being the reason for 7 deaths and 500 cases
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It's a slippery slope. Right now it's "just a mask bro", but later it will be forced vaccinations, eventually forced microchips etc. all "for our own safety". If we don't nip this chit in the bud, they will chip away at our freedom one little piece at a time. Leftists don't understand this because they have no sense of self preservation, and they naively trust that the government has our best interest in mind
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Originally Posted By Omnivium
It's a slippery slope. Right now it's "just a mask bro", but later it will be forced vaccinations, eventually forced microchips etc. all "for our own safety". If we don't nip this chit in the bud, they will chip away at our freedom one little piece at a time. Leftists don't understand this because they have no sense of self preservation, and they naively trust that the government has our best interest in mind
You mean like prop 16.
https://ballotpedia.org/California_P...endment_(2020)

It allows the government in California to discriminate based on race, and a majority of liberal politicians are cool with it. As well as many liberals.
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yeah, i dont see the big deal myself. like if my country was invaded or something im sure muh freedoms would go as well.

i dont like how people think theyre bulletproof with a **** tier mask though. unless ur wearing full hazmat, you are still at big risk around the infected in my eyes
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In the US you have one person in each state circumventing the legislative process to make these decisions like a dictator. Courts are beginning to rule these governors are overstepping the emergency powers those legislatures granted them. So yes, these mandates are trampling on freedoms.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mic...navirus-ruling
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Originally Posted By Stephen109
Bro your life is full of major constraints already don't act like you were as free as a bird beforehand.

-Can you steal, kill, rape etc etc. Can you drive without a seatbelt, go into any private building, onto private land, smoke everywhere?

You have never been nor will be truly free, the world is not yours.
So you must agree with prop 16?

As long as the government tells you what to think, you are ok with it.
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Originally Posted By Azure84
Ok. So far, most studies found little to no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks in the general population, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control. You're a sheep, just like all the other paniccels.

1. A May 2020 meta-study on pandemic influenza published by the US CDC found that face masks had no effect, neither as personal protective equipment nor as a source control.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
2. A July 2020 review by the Oxford Centre for Evidence-Based Medince found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth masks against virus infection or transmission.
https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/maskin...with-politics/
3. A Covid-19 cross-country study by the University of East Anglia found that a mask requirement was of no benefit and could even increase the risk of infection.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...260v1.full.pdf
4. An April 2020 review by two US professors in respiratory and infectious disease from the University of Illinois concluded that face masks have no effect in everyday life, neither as self-protection nor to protect third parties (so-called source control).
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...sed-sound-data
5. An article in the New England Journal of Medicine from May 2020 came to the conclusion that cloth face masks offer little to no protection in everyday life.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
6. An April 2020 Cochrane review (preprint) found that face masks didn’t reduce influenza-like illness (ILI) cases, neither in the general population nor in health care workers.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....30.20047217v2
7. An April 2020 review by the Norwich School of Medicine (preprint) found that “the evidence is not sufficiently strong to support widespread use of facemasks”, but supports the use of masks by “particularly vulnerable individuals when in transient higher risk situations.”
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....01.20049528v1
8. A July 2020 study by Japanese researchers found that cloth masks “offer zero protection against coronavirus” due to their large pore size and generally poor fit.
http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13523664
9. A 2015 study in the British Medical Journal BMJ Open found that cloth masks were penetrated by 97% of particles and may increase infection risk by retaining moisture or repeated use.
https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577
10. An August 2020 review by a German professor in virology, epidemiology and hygiene found that there is no evidence for the effectiveness of cloth face masks and the improper daily use of masks by the public may in fact lead to numerous additional infections.
https://www.thieme-connect.com/produ...55/a-1174-6591
Ok - now do surgical masks.
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Originally Posted By xeron
Of masks preventing viral transmission thus being the reason for 7 deaths and 500 cases
Imagine trying to compare a small island to a massive country like the US...

These fearcels really think their fear and stupidity is a virtue.
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Originally Posted By FingerNailsBrah
Half the overhead and people are getting to spend more time with family. That’s what we all wanted before covid...
Seattle, Washington?
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Originally Posted By Suit
This is what Virologists wear when in a Level 4 Vriolab like the Wuhan one that COVID came from.








But don't worry, your mask will work just fine bro.
You are seriously retarded.

They wear those masks and suits because they can't contaminate a clean/sterile room.

Masks protect you from spreading it to others. You aren't a doctor or scientist. They know more about this than you do. Stop being an ignorant, selfish manbaby and wear a damn mask. If my three year old can wear a mask without throwing a temper tantrum, so can you.
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Originally Posted By Rexcalibr
I see posts on social media about people legit outraged that they still have to wear a mask and in stores and public areas. am I wrong for not giving a ****? yes it sucks and all but I'm pretty much used to being a homebody and in my routine of gym, gaming, eating sleeping. it was annoying wearing masks everywhere the first month or so but I'm pretty much used to it and whatever about it. I don't among friends and family but really doesn't matter to me wearing one in a grocery store, in fact I prefer it I don't want that corona chit. once they learn more bout the virus and how to prevent it spreading more fine but as of now, not understanding what people are going mad about
How the fukk do you wear a mask while training?? How do you breathe?? I can't train hard with something obstructing my breathing (I've been lifting and training/conditioning my body for over 15 years).
Fact: My first-generation uncle was a boxer who fought Sugar Ray Robinson! He also fought in the war, sacrificing the career he deeply loved, so people could have the right to freedom.

Let's show RESPECT for the POLICE and ALL FIRST RESPONDERS by helping to keep THEM SAFE AND SOUND, and thereby able to PROTECT US!
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Should there be a "National Mask Mandate?"
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Mostly because my rights don't end where your fear begins.

I don't believe in the lethality of the virus. You don't play politics with a virus that is deadly. You don't lie and make up statistics for a deadly virus. There are plenty of videos out showing that our "leaders" don't wear the masks when out and some on tape saying that it is "political theater". Everything we are witnessing from the CDC, to the propaganda from media tycoons, to lockdowns from our elected officials, is all meant to cause unhappiness, fear, and economy disturbance...all factors to impact the election.

I don't believe that masks keep you safe from this virus and believe that it is my right to make my own choices with my own health. We should not be mandating the healthy take precautions, we should be telling those with contributing factors to take precautions for themselves. If you are afraid, you take responsibility for yourself and take your own precautions, let everyone else live their lives.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
A surgical mask restricts your breathing?

Are you wearing three at a time?
I'm not joking, joker. I'm betting you don't do cardio...like the air assault bike, for instance, or jumping rope.

The more advanced you were before the pandemic, the more you have to catch up on now. I didn't have special access to gyms during this fukdemic.
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Let's show RESPECT for the POLICE and ALL FIRST RESPONDERS by helping to keep THEM SAFE AND SOUND, and thereby able to PROTECT US!
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Some of you actually wear a mask while working out?
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The mask mandate and lockdowns here in Quebec go at least against a few Constitutional Given Rights in Canada.

Some notable ones are the right to “life, liberty, and security of the person”. You don’t really have a guaranteed “life” if you can’t earn money. Inb4 unemployment benefits. That chit doesn’t cover most of your bills.

It also goes against the Right to Mobility. You’re not really freely mobile if you got police checkpoints in between regions now are you?

Quit acting like this is a mask issue. It’s not. Most people I know willing fully wear the mask. What were against is being mandated by old crusty arse politicians to wear a stupid mask that didn’t protect our province from a second wave. Do you know how many empty stores im stores im seeing? Do you know how many stores have closed down in my immediate area? Did you also realize how the quality of the food has gone down in restaurants? Did you know were sitting at a 10%+ unemployment rate in Canada?

But this is the thing you guys don’t get it. You think were whining about a stupid mask. No we’re arguing against government overreach. Chut the fuk up about grandma and grandpa. They can stay home and quarantine themselves. What I don’t want is being told by a police officer to wear a mask and if I don’t i get a fine of 1000$. I dont want police checkpoints when I go and see the girl im dating. I dont want my hands to dry up because its the tenth time Ive put on purrel in the span on an hour. You guys would rather have us be in a Great Depression instead. Trump singlehandedly saved you bozos from a Great Depression and here you are advocating for that stupid mask. We want the right to choose *******. If you dont like the freedom of choice then you can fuark of to Europe where your rights are malleable.
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Originally Posted By MirinCanadian99
The mask mandate and lockdowns here in Quebec go at least against a few Constitutional Given Rights in Canada.

Some notable ones are the right to “life, liberty, and security of the person”. You don’t really have a guaranteed “life” if you can’t earn money. Inb4 unemployment benefits. That chit doesn’t cover most of your bills.

It also goes against the Right to Mobility. You’re not really freely mobile if you got police checkpoints in between regions now are you?

Quit acting like this is a mask issue. It’s not. Most people I know willing fully wear the mask. What were against is being mandated by old crusty arse politicians to wear a stupid mask that didn’t protect our province from a second wave. Do you know how many empty stores im stores im seeing? Do you know how many stores have closed down in my immediate area? Did you also realize how the quality of the food has gone down in restaurants? Did you know were sitting at a 10%+ unemployment rate in Canada?

But this is the thing you guys don’t get it. You think were whining about a stupid mask. No we’re arguing against government overreach. Chut the fuk up about grandma and grandpa. They can stay home and quarantine themselves. What I don’t want is being told by a police officer to wear a mask and if I don’t i get a fine of 1000$. I dont want police checkpoints when I go and see the girl im dating. I dont want my hands to dry up because its the tenth time Ive put on purrel in the span on an hour. You guys would rather have us be in a Great Depression instead. Trump singlehandedly saved you bozos from a Great Depression and here you are advocating for that stupid mask. We want the right to choose *******. If you dont like the freedom of choice then you can fuark of to Europe where your rights are malleable.
Amen fellow Canadian
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So many small businesses died because the govt forcibly shut them down.

Waiting for all of CA to implode since all the liberals want to cancel rent and want everlasting unemployment until COVID is over. I doubt blue governments will ever open up.

Worst case scenario, blue governors will move their family to red states, and just keep the blue states shutdown forever.
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