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10-06-2020, 07:53 AM
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Should law enforcement officers have live support?
I was chatting with my brother about this recent shooting and how odd it is to me that in this era officer don't have body cams that are on all the time when they are on the clock.
I understand not wanting to be "micro managed" and the desire for some privacy, so I can see officers going "offline" for meals and breaks.
But if we can control drones in another country from a command center here, how can we not do a better job of policing?
Policing is a big job. Ideally our officers would be fit for duty, have some solid hand to hand abilities to physically manage suspects (how to control with no/minimal damage), and good interpersonal/communication skills.
Beyond that there is a learning curve and some people are just better and more experienced.
His idea was to have an older experienced officer who maybe couldn't hang with the physical aspects of the job, but is still mentally sharp, to serve as support for less experienced officers or as an adviser generally. As in the officer in the field would have a headset/camera and the officer in the support center would have multiple monitors with feeds. The officer in the support center would engage when requested, or engage where he/she saw the greatest need for engagement via mic.
IMO just having someone to bounce something off of, or knowing that there is a witness to any engagement could give the field officer a little more confidence and security (someone is watching if it goes bad), while also decreasing some needless tragedy.
Maybe if this Wolfe City officer had a more experienced cooler headed officer in his ear saying "let him go, we have him on video and we can identify him and contact him later" then Jonathan Price would still be breathing.
I understand not wanting to be "micro managed" and the desire for some privacy, so I can see officers going "offline" for meals and breaks.
But if we can control drones in another country from a command center here, how can we not do a better job of policing?
Policing is a big job. Ideally our officers would be fit for duty, have some solid hand to hand abilities to physically manage suspects (how to control with no/minimal damage), and good interpersonal/communication skills.
Beyond that there is a learning curve and some people are just better and more experienced.
His idea was to have an older experienced officer who maybe couldn't hang with the physical aspects of the job, but is still mentally sharp, to serve as support for less experienced officers or as an adviser generally. As in the officer in the field would have a headset/camera and the officer in the support center would have multiple monitors with feeds. The officer in the support center would engage when requested, or engage where he/she saw the greatest need for engagement via mic.
IMO just having someone to bounce something off of, or knowing that there is a witness to any engagement could give the field officer a little more confidence and security (someone is watching if it goes bad), while also decreasing some needless tragedy.
Maybe if this Wolfe City officer had a more experienced cooler headed officer in his ear saying "let him go, we have him on video and we can identify him and contact him later" then Jonathan Price would still be breathing.
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Did you stop to consider how impractical this idea would be before you made this thread?
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10-06-2020, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
What you're proposing (Better training/quality officers, equipment, officer coaches, etc.) would cost more money and lefties want to defund the police.I was chatting with my brother about this recent shooting and how odd it is to me that in this era officer don't have body cams that are on all the time when they are on the clock.
I understand not wanting to be "micro managed" and the desire for some privacy, so I can see officers going "offline" for meals and breaks.
But if we can control drones in another country from a command center here, how can we not do a better job of policing?
Policing is a big job. Ideally our officers would be fit for duty, have some solid hand to hand abilities to physically manage suspects (how to control with no/minimal damage), and good interpersonal/communication skills.
Beyond that there is a learning curve and some people are just better and more experienced.
His idea was to have an older experienced officer who maybe couldn't hang with the physical aspects of the job, but is still mentally sharp, to serve as support for less experienced officers or as an adviser generally. As in the officer in the field would have a headset/camera and the officer in the support center would have multiple monitors with feeds. The officer in the support center would engage when requested, or engage where he/she saw the greatest need for engagement via mic.
IMO just having someone to bounce something off of, or knowing that there is a witness to any engagement could give the field officer a little more confidence and security (someone is watching if it goes bad), while also decreasing some needless tragedy.
Maybe if this Wolfe City officer had a more experienced cooler headed officer in his ear saying "let him go, we have him on video and we can identify him and contact him later" then Jonathan Price would still be breathing.
I understand not wanting to be "micro managed" and the desire for some privacy, so I can see officers going "offline" for meals and breaks.
But if we can control drones in another country from a command center here, how can we not do a better job of policing?
Policing is a big job. Ideally our officers would be fit for duty, have some solid hand to hand abilities to physically manage suspects (how to control with no/minimal damage), and good interpersonal/communication skills.
Beyond that there is a learning curve and some people are just better and more experienced.
His idea was to have an older experienced officer who maybe couldn't hang with the physical aspects of the job, but is still mentally sharp, to serve as support for less experienced officers or as an adviser generally. As in the officer in the field would have a headset/camera and the officer in the support center would have multiple monitors with feeds. The officer in the support center would engage when requested, or engage where he/she saw the greatest need for engagement via mic.
IMO just having someone to bounce something off of, or knowing that there is a witness to any engagement could give the field officer a little more confidence and security (someone is watching if it goes bad), while also decreasing some needless tragedy.
Maybe if this Wolfe City officer had a more experienced cooler headed officer in his ear saying "let him go, we have him on video and we can identify him and contact him later" then Jonathan Price would still be breathing.
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This might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
You literally want someone to armchair quarterback a life and death situation.
"um, sir, could you hold your fire for a sec, I'm getting guidance from higher"
You literally want someone to armchair quarterback a life and death situation.
"um, sir, could you hold your fire for a sec, I'm getting guidance from higher"
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10-06-2020, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Yeah, they had this in Aliens and the space marines got ****ed up.I was chatting with my brother about this recent shooting and how odd it is to me that in this era officer don't have body cams that are on all the time when they are on the clock.
I understand not wanting to be "micro managed" and the desire for some privacy, so I can see officers going "offline" for meals and breaks.
But if we can control drones in another country from a command center here, how can we not do a better job of policing?
Policing is a big job. Ideally our officers would be fit for duty, have some solid hand to hand abilities to physically manage suspects (how to control with no/minimal damage), and good interpersonal/communication skills.
Beyond that there is a learning curve and some people are just better and more experienced.
His idea was to have an older experienced officer who maybe couldn't hang with the physical aspects of the job, but is still mentally sharp, to serve as support for less experienced officers or as an adviser generally. As in the officer in the field would have a headset/camera and the officer in the support center would have multiple monitors with feeds. The officer in the support center would engage when requested, or engage where he/she saw the greatest need for engagement via mic.
IMO just having someone to bounce something off of, or knowing that there is a witness to any engagement could give the field officer a little more confidence and security (someone is watching if it goes bad), while also decreasing some needless tragedy.
Maybe if this Wolfe City officer had a more experienced cooler headed officer in his ear saying "let him go, we have him on video and we can identify him and contact him later" then Jonathan Price would still be breathing.
I understand not wanting to be "micro managed" and the desire for some privacy, so I can see officers going "offline" for meals and breaks.
But if we can control drones in another country from a command center here, how can we not do a better job of policing?
Policing is a big job. Ideally our officers would be fit for duty, have some solid hand to hand abilities to physically manage suspects (how to control with no/minimal damage), and good interpersonal/communication skills.
Beyond that there is a learning curve and some people are just better and more experienced.
His idea was to have an older experienced officer who maybe couldn't hang with the physical aspects of the job, but is still mentally sharp, to serve as support for less experienced officers or as an adviser generally. As in the officer in the field would have a headset/camera and the officer in the support center would have multiple monitors with feeds. The officer in the support center would engage when requested, or engage where he/she saw the greatest need for engagement via mic.
IMO just having someone to bounce something off of, or knowing that there is a witness to any engagement could give the field officer a little more confidence and security (someone is watching if it goes bad), while also decreasing some needless tragedy.
Maybe if this Wolfe City officer had a more experienced cooler headed officer in his ear saying "let him go, we have him on video and we can identify him and contact him later" then Jonathan Price would still be breathing.
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I can tell you for a fact that there are no batteries that can support it.
The best on the market can record for three hours when they are new.
Also, the data has to be stored. There are no reasonable methods to store that data. I can tell you for a certainty the cost would be tens of millions of dollars in data a year on any medium-sized department.
Currently, in busy departments, officers clock 3-4 gigs daily.
As far as the rest, it doesnt even deserve a comment.
The best on the market can record for three hours when they are new.
Also, the data has to be stored. There are no reasonable methods to store that data. I can tell you for a certainty the cost would be tens of millions of dollars in data a year on any medium-sized department.
Currently, in busy departments, officers clock 3-4 gigs daily.
As far as the rest, it doesnt even deserve a comment.
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At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Have you seen someone live feed on youtube from a phone and how chitty the feed is? And that is using youtube/google with the best servers in the world, the limitation is the cell infrastructure, signal strength ect. Its complete chit.I was chatting with my brother about this recent shooting and how odd it is to me that in this era officer don't have body cams that are on all the time when they are on the clock.
I understand not wanting to be "micro managed" and the desire for some privacy, so I can see officers going "offline" for meals and breaks.
But if we can control drones in another country from a command center here, how can we not do a better job of policing?
Policing is a big job. Ideally our officers would be fit for duty, have some solid hand to hand abilities to physically manage suspects (how to control with no/minimal damage), and good interpersonal/communication skills.
Beyond that there is a learning curve and some people are just better and more experienced.
His idea was to have an older experienced officer who maybe couldn't hang with the physical aspects of the job, but is still mentally sharp, to serve as support for less experienced officers or as an adviser generally. As in the officer in the field would have a headset/camera and the officer in the support center would have multiple monitors with feeds. The officer in the support center would engage when requested, or engage where he/she saw the greatest need for engagement via mic.
IMO just having someone to bounce something off of, or knowing that there is a witness to any engagement could give the field officer a little more confidence and security (someone is watching if it goes bad), while also decreasing some needless tragedy.
Maybe if this Wolfe City officer had a more experienced cooler headed officer in his ear saying "let him go, we have him on video and we can identify him and contact him later" then Jonathan Price would still be breathing.
I understand not wanting to be "micro managed" and the desire for some privacy, so I can see officers going "offline" for meals and breaks.
But if we can control drones in another country from a command center here, how can we not do a better job of policing?
Policing is a big job. Ideally our officers would be fit for duty, have some solid hand to hand abilities to physically manage suspects (how to control with no/minimal damage), and good interpersonal/communication skills.
Beyond that there is a learning curve and some people are just better and more experienced.
His idea was to have an older experienced officer who maybe couldn't hang with the physical aspects of the job, but is still mentally sharp, to serve as support for less experienced officers or as an adviser generally. As in the officer in the field would have a headset/camera and the officer in the support center would have multiple monitors with feeds. The officer in the support center would engage when requested, or engage where he/she saw the greatest need for engagement via mic.
IMO just having someone to bounce something off of, or knowing that there is a witness to any engagement could give the field officer a little more confidence and security (someone is watching if it goes bad), while also decreasing some needless tragedy.
Maybe if this Wolfe City officer had a more experienced cooler headed officer in his ear saying "let him go, we have him on video and we can identify him and contact him later" then Jonathan Price would still be breathing.
10-06-2020, 08:19 AM
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Body cams are already a monumental hurdle for police departments, not just procuring them, but storing the massive amounts of video/sound that could be held up in evidence for years and years. Imagine even just small department, maybe 5 cops are working at any given time in a 24 hour day and we'll say the body cams footage run on average 5 hours per cop at 720p. 24 hours x 5 cops x 5 hours x 232 gb (1 hour of 720p footage) = 139.2 tb of data. Say it can be discarded after 30 days (more likely longer), you're talking 4 petabytes of data per month just in raw video. Add in redundancy, backups and an IT guy or two to manage all of it, you're talking million+ easy just to get started.
This it just arbitrary numbers to make a point, but this is the kind of thing police department budgets are facing when everybody wants body cams but nobody wants funded police.
This it just arbitrary numbers to make a point, but this is the kind of thing police department budgets are facing when everybody wants body cams but nobody wants funded police.
10-06-2020, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted By CherryPopinski⏩
Did you stop to consider how impractical this idea would be before you made this thread?
Originally Posted By davik⏩
Yes it would require spending more money up front.special forces as police officers. very practical for budget, training, aptitude.
predator drones and jdams overhead too right? lmao.
predator drones and jdams overhead too right? lmao.
Originally Posted By MountainLion84⏩
And the number of people who don't think that is a really dumb idea is quite small.What you're proposing (Better training/quality officers, equipment, officer coaches, etc.) would cost more money andlefties want to defund the police.
I think it comes down to priorities. If we can only spend X money and pay for X man hours then what is most important?
IMO we could dump the war on drugs. Prohibition didn't work. How many less police calls would there be if drugs ceased to be a profitable illegal business and was instead just a public health issue?
And there was a thread last night about "fix it" tickets. Couldn't you do most of that with cameras and mailed citations instead of actual stops?
Red light cameras were stupid from the start. Sometimes it is safer to go through a light than to attempt to stop.
I'm not sure that is the case with something like residential speed limit enforcement. Just move the cameras around to different areas as needed- maybe to areas where residents are complaining about too many speeders. Record speeders going too fast, send a warning to minor speeders (5 mph-ish) and a citation to the worse ones.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
It's literally part of the Democrat platform. Are you dense?And the number of people who don't think that is a really dumb idea is quite small.
Best thread: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=168274783
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10-06-2020, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
I can tell you for a fact thatthere are no batteries that can support it.
The best on the market can record for three hours when they are new.
Also, the data has to be stored. There are no reasonable methods to store that data. I can tell you for a certainty the cost would be tens of millions of dollars in data a year on any medium-sized department.
Currently, in busy departments, officers clock 3-4 gigs daily.
As far as the rest, it doesnt even deserve a comment.
The best on the market can record for three hours when they are new.
Also, the data has to be stored. There are no reasonable methods to store that data. I can tell you for a certainty the cost would be tens of millions of dollars in data a year on any medium-sized department.
Currently, in busy departments, officers clock 3-4 gigs daily.
As far as the rest, it doesnt even deserve a comment.
Originally Posted By dcbone30⏩
Body cams are already a monumental hurdle for police departments, not just procuring them, but storing the massive amounts of video/sound that could be held up in evidence for years and years. Imagine even just small department, maybe 5 cops are working at any given time in a 24 hour day and we'll say the body cams footage run on average 5 hours per cop at 720p. 24 hours x 5 cops x 5 hours x 232 gb (1 hour of 720p footage) = 139.2 tb of data. Say it can be discarded after 30 days (more likely longer), you're talking 4 petabytes of data per month just in raw video. Add in redundancy, backups and an IT guy or two to manage all of it, you're talking million+ easy just to get started.
This it just arbitrary numbers to make a point, but this is the kind of thing police department budgets are facing when everybody wants body cams but nobody wants funded police.
This it just arbitrary numbers to make a point, but this is the kind of thing police department budgets are facing when everybody wants body cams but nobody wants funded police.
Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
The idea wasn't to act as "command and control", but as an advisor.Have you seen someone live feed on youtube from a phone and how chitty the feed is?And that is using youtube/google with the best servers in the world, the limitation is the cell infrastructure, signal strength ect. Its complete chit.
The battery thing is fair and officers might have to swap out batteries during a shift.
And the point was not to create and preserve legal documentation of every moment of every engagement.
IMO data could be stored short term (30 days?) to give the PD or any complaintant time to acquire a copy of the tape from an engagement that results in some legal complication or dispute.
If no one requests that video in the given time frame then too bad. Erase it and move on.
ETA: re: quality of streaming video- just because we don't have it doesn't mean we can't have it. We have already come so far in streaming quality it isn't even funny. I'm old and remember when streaming was very very new and was just starting to be used by some businesses (around 2000/2001).
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10-06-2020, 08:40 AM
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I can't find anything to support that.It's literally part of the Democrat platform. Are you dense?
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OP, go paintballing, have paintballs flying in all directions and then don a headset and ear piece with someone yapping instructions just to add to the confusion as you're trying to figure out a chaotic situation.
Once your are thoroughly frustrated I want you to imagine, for just one second, how much worse that would be when it's not a game, adrenaline pumping through your veins, and real people are at stake.
brb officer duffed in the face with a 2x4 as he rounds a corner on a foot pursuit because he was trying to listen to the incoming guidance.
I mean, seriously, did you even try to think how this would look in a real-world situation in real-time?
Once your are thoroughly frustrated I want you to imagine, for just one second, how much worse that would be when it's not a game, adrenaline pumping through your veins, and real people are at stake.
brb officer duffed in the face with a 2x4 as he rounds a corner on a foot pursuit because he was trying to listen to the incoming guidance.
I mean, seriously, did you even try to think how this would look in a real-world situation in real-time?
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10-06-2020, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted By PTzFree⏩
Yeah, because regular community policing is like GTA + COD everyday. Not dealing with domestic disputes, drunk & disorderly, theft complaints, & car accidents.OP, go paintballing, have paintballs flying in all directions and then don a headset and ear piece with someone yapping instructions just to add to the confusion as you're trying to figure out a chaotic situation.
Once your are thoroughly frustrated I want you to imagine, for just one second, how much worse that would be when it's not a game, adrenaline pumping through your veins, and real people are at stake.
brb officer duffed in the face with a 2x4 as he rounds a corner on a foot pursuit because he was trying to listen to the incoming guidance.
I mean, seriously, did you even try to think how this would look in a real-world situation in real-time?
Once your are thoroughly frustrated I want you to imagine, for just one second, how much worse that would be when it's not a game, adrenaline pumping through your veins, and real people are at stake.
brb officer duffed in the face with a 2x4 as he rounds a corner on a foot pursuit because he was trying to listen to the incoming guidance.
I mean, seriously, did you even try to think how this would look in a real-world situation in real-time?
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
The fact that you listed those incidents so nonchalantly and put zero thought into how quickly those situations evolve is my point. We're literally talking tenths of a second and you think an extra brain on the other end of a camera and earpiece is the answer? It's a distraction at best. The officer who is physically there is still going to react in their best interest 100% of the time. Not even a guess.Yeah, because regular community policing is like GTA + COD everyday. Not dealing with domestic disputes, drunk & disorderly, theft complaints, & car accidents.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Domestic cases are some of the most dangerous calls to respond to, so yeah, those would be more like GTA than you'd think.Yeah, because regular community policing is like GTA + COD everyday. Not dealing with domestic disputes, drunk & disorderly, theft complaints, & car accidents.
Ever been in the situations police find themselves in, or anything like it? I've been punched in the face, it hurts and you aren't about to hear any 'advisor' telling you sht in your ear when you are fighting someone. Things go from 0-100 in an instant, and someone trying to arm chair advise you while you are actually in the situation would only get in the way. You can see subtle body language they wont, notice things they can't see, and their advise might be opposite of what you actually need to do.
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Originally Posted By PTzFree⏩
^^^OP, go paintballing, have paintballs flying in all directions and then don a headset and ear piece with someone yapping instructions just to add to the confusion as you're trying to figure out a chaotic situation.
Once your are thoroughly frustrated I want you to imagine, for just one second, how much worse that would be when it's not a game, adrenaline pumping through your veins, and real people are at stake.
brb officer duffed in the face with a 2x4 as he rounds a corner on a foot pursuit because he was trying to listen to the incoming guidance.
I mean, seriously, did you even try to think how this would look in a real-world situation in real-time?
Once your are thoroughly frustrated I want you to imagine, for just one second, how much worse that would be when it's not a game, adrenaline pumping through your veins, and real people are at stake.
brb officer duffed in the face with a 2x4 as he rounds a corner on a foot pursuit because he was trying to listen to the incoming guidance.
I mean, seriously, did you even try to think how this would look in a real-world situation in real-time?
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I hope you are kidding. At any given time in a large city, there are dozens of part one felony crimes against person crimes an hour.Yeah, because regular community policing is like GTA + COD everyday. Not dealing with domestic disputes, drunk & disorderly, theft complaints, & car accidents.
We run SWAT teams this way and can barely keep up with that demand. Real-life isn't a video game.
What do we do about restricted airspace from airports? Move them somewhere else?
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10-06-2020, 09:56 AM
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Reflecting on this makes me wonder if the public in general needs more education on what police actually deal with, srs. Most just never experience these situations.
CDCR uses the same video sim as many other agencies, screen that plays a video and you have a gun or other force options that work with it (like a grown up game of Duck Hunt), and a controller who can alter how the video goes: person becomes aggressive, attacks, calms down, ect.
Whenever we run non-custody staff through they always 'fail' and get attacked or die (90% of the time). They keep trying to 'talk down' someone even as they run at them with a weapon or start shooting at them.
Some fail because they panic instantly: guy turns with a bottle in his hand and they freak out and just assume it's a gun and unload on them.
I'd love to see more people experience that and get at least a little idea of what those situations are like; it's not the same as movies and TV, were you can think, in real life you just react (for better or worse).
CDCR uses the same video sim as many other agencies, screen that plays a video and you have a gun or other force options that work with it (like a grown up game of Duck Hunt), and a controller who can alter how the video goes: person becomes aggressive, attacks, calms down, ect.
Whenever we run non-custody staff through they always 'fail' and get attacked or die (90% of the time). They keep trying to 'talk down' someone even as they run at them with a weapon or start shooting at them.
Some fail because they panic instantly: guy turns with a bottle in his hand and they freak out and just assume it's a gun and unload on them.
I'd love to see more people experience that and get at least a little idea of what those situations are like; it's not the same as movies and TV, were you can think, in real life you just react (for better or worse).
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10-06-2020, 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted By gbullock32⏩
Reasonable.Reflecting on this makes me wonder if the public in general needs more education on what police actually deal with, srs. Most just never experience these situations.
CDCR uses the same video sim as many other agencies, screen that plays a video and you have a gun or other force options that work with it (like a grown up game of Duck Hunt), and a controller who can alter how the video goes: person becomes aggressive, attacks, calms down, ect.
Whenever we run non-custody staff through they always 'fail' and get attacked or die (90% of the time). They keep trying to 'talk down' someone even as they run at them with a weapon or start shooting at them.
Some fail because they panic instantly: guy turns with a bottle in his hand and they freak out and just assume it's a gun and unload on them.
I'd love to see more people experience that and get at least a little idea of what those situations are like; it's not the same as movies and TV, were you can think, in real life you just react (for better or worse).
CDCR uses the same video sim as many other agencies, screen that plays a video and you have a gun or other force options that work with it (like a grown up game of Duck Hunt), and a controller who can alter how the video goes: person becomes aggressive, attacks, calms down, ect.
Whenever we run non-custody staff through they always 'fail' and get attacked or die (90% of the time). They keep trying to 'talk down' someone even as they run at them with a weapon or start shooting at them.
Some fail because they panic instantly: guy turns with a bottle in his hand and they freak out and just assume it's a gun and unload on them.
I'd love to see more people experience that and get at least a little idea of what those situations are like; it's not the same as movies and TV, were you can think, in real life you just react (for better or worse).
I can accept that it isn't a workable solution. I recognize that I'm not any kind of expert on policing; just a member of the public wondering WTH at multiple incidents that I have read about or seen video of. I don't hate law enforcement or expect them to be infallible.
So what would help if anything? Really.
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10-06-2020, 10:12 AM
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This thread is now dedicated to hating fat people
Here is the officer who tased and shot Price. As I had initially assumed, he is clearly fat. If he was physically fit he wouldn't have been so intimidated by Price that he would have to resort to his taser.
Here is the officer who tased and shot Price. As I had initially assumed, he is clearly fat. If he was physically fit he wouldn't have been so intimidated by Price that he would have to resort to his taser.
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10-06-2020, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
thats not wireless you tardThe idea wasn't to act as "command and control", but as an advisor.
The battery thing is fair and officers might have to swap out batteries during a shift.
And the point was not to create and preserve legal documentation of every moment of every engagement.
IMO data could be stored short term (30 days?) to give the PD or any complaintant time to acquire a copy of the tape from an engagement that results in some legal complication or dispute.
If no one requests that video in the given time frame then too bad. Erase it and move on.
ETA: re: quality of streaming video- just because we don't have it doesn't mean we can't have it. We have already come so far in streaming quality it isn't even funny.I'm old and remember when streaming was very very new and was just starting to be used by some businesses (around 2000/2001).
The battery thing is fair and officers might have to swap out batteries during a shift.
And the point was not to create and preserve legal documentation of every moment of every engagement.
IMO data could be stored short term (30 days?) to give the PD or any complaintant time to acquire a copy of the tape from an engagement that results in some legal complication or dispute.
If no one requests that video in the given time frame then too bad. Erase it and move on.
ETA: re: quality of streaming video- just because we don't have it doesn't mean we can't have it. We have already come so far in streaming quality it isn't even funny.I'm old and remember when streaming was very very new and was just starting to be used by some businesses (around 2000/2001).
also inb4 but muh 5g. The 4g has enough bandwidth to handle it, its having a consistent signal strength. You would have to spend trillions on new infrastructure to do what you are talking about. You are clueless to how this works
10-06-2020, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
once we slash their budgets by 50% and change laws so they have to buy personal liability insurance for millions, surely we can have fit, intelligent higher quality officers, everyone will want to be a cop and it will all be fixed.This thread is now dedicated to hating fat people
Here is the officer who tased and shot Price. As I had initially assumed, he is clearly fat. If he was physically fit he wouldn't have been so intimidated by Price that he would have to resort to his taser.
Here is the officer who tased and shot Price. As I had initially assumed, he is clearly fat. If he was physically fit he wouldn't have been so intimidated by Price that he would have to resort to his taser.
10-06-2020, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Keep in mind, the media only pushes when things do not go well.Reasonable.
I can accept that it isn't a workable solution. I recognize that I'm not any kind of expert on policing; just a member of the public wondering WTH at multiple incidents that I have read about or seen video of. I don't hate law enforcement or expect them to be infallible.
So what would help if anything? Really.
I can accept that it isn't a workable solution. I recognize that I'm not any kind of expert on policing; just a member of the public wondering WTH at multiple incidents that I have read about or seen video of. I don't hate law enforcement or expect them to be infallible.
So what would help if anything? Really.
Given just how many police interactions there are per year, the number of wrongful use of deadly force (and use of deadly force in general) is astronomically low.
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10-06-2020, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
Possibly. As a mere end user I know that there seems to be people streaming video on their cell phones all over all the time. At least in big metro areas. I know that some places in BFE there is no service.thats not wireless you tard
also inb4 but muh 5g. The 4g has enough bandwidth to handle it, its having a consistent signal strength. You would have to spend trillions on new infrastructure to do what you are talking about. You are clueless to how this works
also inb4 but muh 5g. The 4g has enough bandwidth to handle it, its having a consistent signal strength. You would have to spend trillions on new infrastructure to do what you are talking about. You are clueless to how this works
Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
IDK about slashing budgets.once we slash their budgets by 50% and change laws so they have to buy personal liability insurance for millions, surely we can have fit, intelligent higher quality officers, everyone will want to be a cop and it will all be fixed.
Re: liability are your referring to this thread?
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=179040881
Where miscers assumed that by questioning the status quo I somehow was coming out in support of officers losing their house, or something?
Not that it is material, but I have a cousin who is former law enforcement and a nephew who is on the PD in San Antonio....young guy in his mid 20s that I still remember as a bratty 8 year old.
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