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post 1618779301 10-08-2020, 09:06 AM
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[QUOTE=aceroa post_id=1618579961]I was actually experimenting with a few different picks since I was recording guitars recently and wanted to limit the pick noise I was hearing in my playing. I've pretty much always played Dunlop Tortex .88mm but decided to try a few others for comparison like Jazz III, John Petrucci Jazz III, Dunlop Nylon, Fender Thin, and Dunlop Gator Grip.

I ultimately found that I got the best results just using the usual Tortex .88mm but playing with the pick flat against the string instead of edge picking.
I've always wondered why my guitar in recordings often times has pick noises and so much string scratching and I'm finally starting to understand just how important the angle in which I'm picking matters. When I'm recording I definitely try to pick with the pick as flat against the string as I can for more clarity.

This video kind of explains it a bit. Although I personally think it over emphasizes the pick material and thickness, since I was still getting pick chirps with softer/thinner picks I tested. The biggest difference for me was the pick angle.

[youtube]IdQ-Yn6k-To[youtube][/QUOTE]Interesting read. After years of medium picks I've moved up to a 1mm and once I got the hang it's hard to go back. I've always ever played rhythm so now that I'm finally trying to learn lead and improvisation I've found the sturdier pick more useful.

[QUOTE=Cantplankwell post_id=1618676991]Recently picked up an acoustic..about 6 months ago...part of my new stay at home Covid skills.

Got most of the "campfire" chords down, and can bang out a handful of simple three chord songs. Rhythm and timing is coming along.

I am looking for some direction on scales though, how to play them over the neck.

I understand how the major and minor scales are derived, but I am looking for some direction on exercises to get the scales down and memorize the fretboard. I dont want to buy any expensive books or pay for online lesson installments etc.

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CPW[/QUOTE]I think you'll pretty universally get the advice to learn the pentatonic scale. The pentatonic has five "shapes" that repeat across the fretboard - if you learn all five you can play the entire fretboard in any key. This is what I've been learning - most guitarists pick up position one very quick in their careers, but I never advanced to learning the other four. My muscle memory in one is far, far ahead of the others, but this would be boring if we had nothing to improve at right?

If you need a free online course JustinGuitar is free (donations are voluntary) and very good. I skipped over most of the introductory material but there is plenty of content that would match where you are.
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Originally Posted By Cantplankwell
Recently picked up an acoustic..about 6 months ago...part of my new stay at home Covid skills.

Got most of the "campfire" chords down, and can bang out a handful of simple three chord songs. Rhythm and timing is coming along.

I am looking for some direction on scales though, how to play them over the neck.

I understand how the major and minor scales are derived, but I am looking for some direction on exercises to get the scales down and memorize the fretboard. I dont want to buy any expensive books or pay for online lesson installments etc.

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Try this site for any scales:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/scalegenerator/

google "satriani guitar secrets pdf" theres a good book

The Advancing Guitarist: (might find free pdf online)

https://www.amazon.com/Advancing-Gui.../dp/0881885894



..... .some resources I've found helpful over the years
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Can anyone recommend me a good modeling amplifier? My ex-girlfriends brother gave me a first generation Vox AD60VT for free and I’ve been using it for awhile but it just doesn’t have a good sound for metal. The sounds are usable but they’re not the best. Thinking of selling it, I also have an Orange OR15 but it’s more of a vintage voiced amplifier with heavy emphasis on mids, something with good distortion tones.

Slayer, early Metallica, Thin Lizzy, Sabbath, think those kinds of distorted sounds that’s what I’m going for.
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Originally Posted By CherryPopinski
Can anyone recommend me a good modeling amplifier? My ex-girlfriends brother gave me a first generation Vox AD60VT for free and I’ve been using it for awhile but it just doesn’t have a good sound for metal. The sounds are usable but they’re not the best. Thinking of selling it, I also have an Orange OR15 but it’s more of a vintage voiced amplifier with heavy emphasis on mids, something with good distortion tones.

Slayer, early Metallica, Thin Lizzy, Sabbath, think those kinds of distorted sounds that’s what I’m going for.
Without spending big bucks on a Helix, Headrush, Kemper or Axe Efx, there are some crappy sounding modeling amps.

But, I will let you in on a secret. Go to Reverb or the Bay and do a search on 11rack or eleven rack.

It’s a rack mount unit that rivals the expensive options. In fact Headrush uses the 11rack internals. I think they bought out the technology. You can find them <$300 and they sound amazing for that price. There are a lot of YouTube videos on them and many major acts used them for theirs live shows about 10 years ago.
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Originally Posted By gtrzrus
Without spending big bucks on a Helix, Headrush, Kemper or Axe Efx, there are some crappy sounding modeling amps.

But, I will let you in on a secret. Go to Reverb or the Bay and do a search on 11rack or eleven rack.

It’s a rack mount unit that rivals the expensive options. In fact Headrush uses the 11rack internals. I think they bought out the technology. You can find them <$300 and they sound amazing for that price. There are a lot of YouTube videos on them and many major acts used them for theirs live shows about 10 years ago.
I’ll like into it, I play a lot of 70’s metal and hard rock stuff.
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Originally Posted By CherryPopinski
I’ll like into it, I play a lot of 70’s metal and hard rock stuff.
It will definitely do all of those and plenty more. I have a wall of tube amps that I hardly touch anymore because of the thing.

It has 104 presets from death metal to as clean as a Roland JC. Lots of effects too. Plus you can do your own stuff too.
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New Plini.. Sounds pretty good but this type of music doesn't hit me like it did before..

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Originally Posted By rollerball
I mean the playing is top notch as usual but the composition itself is boring af. Boring chord progressions and boring arrangement, imo. I feel like for super-shredders there are just so many albums they can release that don't sound the same or derivative.
I think that's why I gravitate more towards jazz and fusion players these days, not that they can't sound repetitive or derivative, but there's just a lot more going on.

Yeah, if I listened to this same plini song in 2015 I would have been mind blown..

Those types of jazz songs in the vid you posted are cool but way too chaotic for me, I like it when the guitar is singing and that sounds like a nagging woman lecturing you about some random chit to me.. No time to breathe or pay attention to what is being said lol
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Originally Posted By CherryPopinski
Can anyone recommend me a good modeling amplifier? My ex-girlfriends brother gave me a first generation Vox AD60VT for free and I’ve been using it for awhile but it just doesn’t have a good sound for metal. The sounds are usable but they’re not the best. Thinking of selling it, I also have an Orange OR15 but it’s more of a vintage voiced amplifier with heavy emphasis on mids, something with good distortion tones.

Slayer, early Metallica, Thin Lizzy, Sabbath, think those kinds of distorted sounds that’s what I’m going for.
Katana 100 or Fender GTX100. I played the Katana extensively and it's a very nice amp. I've only heard good things about GTX100 as well.
If you're into modeling multi effect devices then Atomic Amplifire or Amplifirebox are crazy good for cheap prices nowadays. Then Mooer Ge250. These are cheap.
If you want something more expensive then Boss GT1000. If you want pro level then Kemper Stage or Axe FX / Fm3.
I recommend you to stay away from helix. NOT worth the money.
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Originally Posted By rollerball
I hear you, I think when it comes to Cherokee, a song famous in jazz circles for blistering improvisation, that players tend to go off on the tune.
When it comes to standard rock shred, I've listened to soooo much of it that, from a harmonic perspective, no one does anything new in terms of lead playing. It's just the same old sh*t over and over and over again. So I start paying attention more to the execution than caring about any musical statement that's trying to be made.

Things got interesting again for a minute with the djent rhythms and the stuff Periphery and AAL were doing but that stuff is already played out too, imo.

It's only in jazz and fusion these days where I still get stimulated by the harmonic content.



You might like this guy, Kurt Rosenwinkel.

Also players like Wayne Krantz and Oz Noy you might like. They're not quite as chop-crazy even though they have chops for days.

Yeah, now those I like way more than the first one you posted.. I think I'm paying more attention to the song writing as a whole and how the instruments compliment each other.. Like some of these shredders are just great guitarist, but others are composing geniuses (like David Maxim Micic for example) that just happen to play guitar.. The way you put the whole chit together and execute it..

AAL and their 2nd guitarist's solo chit are actually some of the only instrumental prog I still listen to.. Some AAL is boring, but when they make a great song it's usually fuking amazing




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Originally Posted By rollerball
Those are all modelers, perhaps Cherry is looking for the whole deal - preamp, poweramp, speaker, cabinet?
If you're just looking for a cheap but good modeler than I would look into the Atomic Amps Firebox/Amplifire or the Hotone Ampero. The Firebox is about $300 and would decimate the 11rack, the Hotone is probably similar.
11rack is pretty outdated, albeit it does have a good Marshall model and is a solid interface - but super duper old and unsupported tech. I'm pretty sure I read that the people behind 11rack are actually behind the Headrush products and used to work for Avid. I'm also pretty sure the Headrush stuff had updated modeling algorithms from the 11rack stuff.

If you're looking for like a 1x12 combo amp I would look into the Boss Katana series.





Yea I know the Katana is the new kid in town. Ideally I was thinking a 1x12 combos

I had considered the Blackstar TVP series
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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon
Yeah, if I listened to this same plini song in 2015 I would have been mind blown..
Instrumental guitar is challenging to keep fresh. Not only is there a lot more of it out there now that anyone can upload their bedroom masterpiece produced with modelers, backing tracks, sound libraries, etc. vs. the old days of recording in a studio and waiting for a label to promote it but if you came out with something interesting or even unique it's not long before it's copied to death.

I clicked on the new AC/DC song and I swear that same day it went up there was an instructional video showing how to play it. That's the way things are now. No sense of mystery and not the same incentive to work stuff out on your own. So in the case of Plini I'm sure there are plenty of videos these days dissecting his style and when a lot of people start copying it then it almost becomes passé. By the time he gets around to another album you've already heard a lot of music that sounds like it so it doesn't have the same impact. He's even got his own app these days which makes it even easier for guitarists to copy his tones.

I saw a video recently where a guy was reacting to some music and he had absolutely no clue what scale was being played over a certain chord. I mean he was banging away on it for half the video hitting bum notes and had no idea. The next week he had the guitarist on his show demonstrating those licks. That's the world we live in. Zero mystery.
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[QUOTE=rollerball post_id=1618809021]I mean the playing is top notch as usual but the composition itself is boring af. Boring chord progressions and boring arrangement, imo. I feel like for super-shredders there are just so many albums they can release that don't sound the same or derivative.
I think that's why I gravitate more towards jazz and fusion players these days, not that they can't sound repetitive or derivative, but there's just a lot more going on.

[youtube]0xC5vE8SU1M[youtube][/QUOTE]If Cherokee is boring, then most jazz standards are boring, but it's part of the path to playing jazz, and those core standards have the basic tenets needed to master in order to play more interesting compositions by Herbie, Shorter, etc., effortlessly. Dolphin Dance is one of my favorites - nice melody and fun changes to improv over. Here's a live version of Jaco playing it.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/KYrdHW38IqA[/youtube]

Lead sheet:[b]Spoiler![/b][SPOILER][img]https://www.talkbass.com/attachments/dolphin-dance-better-version-jpg.543244/[/img][/SPOILER]
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Originally Posted By Dominik
Instrumental guitar is challenging to keep fresh. Not only is there a lot more of it out there now that anyone can upload their bedroom masterpiece produced with modelers, backing tracks, sound libraries, etc. vs. the old days of recording in a studio and waiting for a label to promote it but if you came out with something interesting or even unique it's not long before it's copied to death.

I clicked on the new AC/DC song and I swear that same day it went up there was an instructional video showing how to play it. That's the way things are now. No sense of mystery and not the same incentive to work stuff out on your own. So in the case of Plini I'm sure there are plenty of videos these days dissecting his style and when a lot of people start copying it then it almost becomes passé. By the time he gets around to another album you've already heard a lot of music that sounds like it so it doesn't have the same impact. He's even got his own app these days which makes it even easier for guitarists to copy his tones.

I saw a video recently where a guy was reacting to some music and he had absolutely no clue what scale was being played over a certain chord. I mean he was banging away on it for half the video hitting bum notes and had no idea. The next week he had the guitarist on his show demonstrating those licks. That's the world we live in. Zero mystery.
Yep, I remember like a decade ago I was forced to learn chit by ear and figure it out if it didn't have a guitar pro file and really, really wanted to play it.. It usually took a few months or even years for someone to bother tabbing anything out in a guitar pro file.. Now like you said there's a video tutorial and tab lessons on everything, those player dissecting videos are everywhere as well and I couldn't give less of a chit.. Never thought of why I don't give a chit but after reading what you wrote it might be the mystery factor..Like now that I think about it, I haven't even learned and uploaded a cover in years..
Originally Posted By rollerball
I wasn't saying Cherokee is boring, that was Swim to the moon. I was saying Plini is boring.
Ya but I find it boring because I don't understand how jazz works at all, it's an alien genre to me
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Originally Posted By Dominik
Instrumental guitar is challenging to keep fresh. Not only is there a lot more of it out there now that anyone can upload their bedroom masterpiece produced with modelers, backing tracks, sound libraries, etc. vs. the old days of recording in a studio and waiting for a label to promote it but if you came out with something interesting or even unique it's not long before it's copied to death.

I clicked on the new AC/DC song and I swear that same day it went up there was an instructional video showing how to play it. That's the way things are now. No sense of mystery and not the same incentive to work stuff out on your own. So in the case of Plini I'm sure there are plenty of videos these days dissecting his style and when a lot of people start copying it then it almost becomes passé. By the time he gets around to another album you've already heard a lot of music that sounds like it so it doesn't have the same impact. He's even got his own app these days which makes it even easier for guitarists to copy his tones.

I saw a video recently where a guy was reacting to some music and he had absolutely no clue what scale was being played over a certain chord. I mean he was banging away on it for half the video hitting bum notes and had no idea. The next week he had the guitarist on his show demonstrating those licks. That's the world we live in. Zero mystery.
It’s a good and bad thing, guitar is a lot more accessible these days with all the online content you could basically learn everything you need to be a successful musician for free. Don’t even need college for it anymore, unless you’re trying to teach or something like that.

The cons are all the things you listed about the community being oversaturated with content.
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Originally Posted By rollerball
Start with this:




Srs, listen to this whole album.
Gonna add on spotify to listen properly later.. But skimming real fast, some of those trumpet parts would sound juicy on guitar..
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Originally Posted By rollerball
I wasn't saying Cherokee is boring, that was Swim to the moon. I was saying Plini is boring.
Oh, I got ya - my bad.
Originally Posted By rollerball
This album started my love of jazz.
"So What" and "All Blues" are particular favorites for me.
Yeah, that's the best intro to jazz album that is a must listen to, as it's all modal so it's more palatable harmonically, but the sax solos are great, in particular Cannonball's.

Here's Henderson playing All Blues at a clinic:



Here's McCoy Tyner with Brecker playing Impressions (So What up-tempo with a different head):
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Originally Posted By Dominik
the old days of recording in a studio and waiting for a label to promote it
Or sending your cassettes to this man:



Dude was THE guy to find the best.
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Here's Henderson playing All Blues at a clinic:
His style has changed a lot since he played an Ibanez. I saw him live with Tribal Tech and he didn't wank on the bar as much as he does now. These days he's like Jeff Beck with a jazz vocabulary. I'm not saying that's a bad thing at all but it's a radical departure.

Looking like Screech from Saved by the Bell in the Chick Corea days.

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post 1618945281 10-09-2020, 09:52 PM
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  1. Bando
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Sold my old acoustic a couple hours ago. Played it for 10 years.

This is going to sound funny, but I wasn't comfortable playing the new one when the old one was in the house. Just did a couple hours on the new one and love the sound.
Don't put that on me Ricky Bobby, don't you ever put that on me.
post 1619134121 10-12-2020, 07:06 AM
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  1. GODself
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Guys, need your opinion...

My cousin is 16yo and just started playing guitar. He has been playing with my uncle's acoustic but he really wants to play eletric. So, me and my parents are planning to offer him the "full set". His birthday is next week and my parents gonna give him the guitar, I give him the amp and some acessories. He tried my THR10II some months ago and liked it. So I'm planning on giving him a Yamaha THR5.

How different is it from the THR10 II? Anything better at that price range?
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