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post 1619532671 10-16-2020, 10:38 AM
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Bang Energy + Nicotine Gum = crushing Friday all day

Happy Friday Misc. finish the week strong and enjoy your weekend!!




Tfw never a smoker, but the gum is legit(non habit forming ime too)
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caffeine and nicotine together is the best.
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Nicotine gum is the chit.......and I'm not even a tradie.
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Originally Posted By bsmit107⏩
Nicotine gum is the chit.......and I'm not even a tradie.
Me either brah, work in a substance abuse facility. But I’m not a coffee guy either so I bit that Bang when I get a chance.
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Does the nicotine gum increase ur energy levels or what? I dont think ive ever smoked a cig while drinking caffeine before, only alcohol lol
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When you realize tradies have been stacking gas station coffee with tobacco for centuries...
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Originally Posted By Rooney15⏩
Does the nicotine gum increase ur energy levels or what? I dont think ive ever smoked a cig while drinking caffeine before, only alcohol lol
Sorta. If your new to nicotine it’ll give you a tiny “buzz” feeling. I do notice I feel a tad more energized ya. Guess it depends on how sensitive you are to stimulant type substances.

I also wouldn’t just start off with a high mg of the gum, can still get “nic sick”
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Originally Posted By SSM12⏩
Tfw never a smoker, but the gum is legit(non habit forming ime too)
Nicotine, in any form, is absolutely habit forming. Nicotine has been shown to be harder to kick than heroin, so you need to be very careful when using nicotine.

https://sunrisehouse.com/cause-effec...ore-addictive/

I've known many bbers who read research studies showing nicotine + caffeine was an effective fat loss agent, and once they got done losing their fat, they became addicted to nicotine.

So, I'm not sure where you got your information that nicotine gum isn't addictive, because it absolutely is.
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Nicotine gum LOL. Nasty stank breath
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Originally Posted By PartyGuy414⏩
Nicotine, in any form, is absolutely habit forming. Nicotine has been shown to be harder to kick than heroin, so you need to be very careful when using nicotine.

https://sunrisehouse.com/cause-effec...ore-addictive/

I've known many bbers who read research studies showing nicotine + caffeine was an effective fat loss agent, and once they got done losing their fat, they became addicted to nicotine.

So, I'm not sure where you got your information that nicotine gum isn't addictive, because it absolutely is.
I meant in my experience for myself. Not generally. I know it’s addicting.
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As somone who uses nicotine pouches and Red Bull regularly.

It does NOT benefit energy lvls for athletic purposes. Yeah it helps me wake up and chit in the morning. But it does rocket your blood pressure.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
As somone who uses nicotine pouches and Red Bull regularly.

It does NOT benefit energy lvls for athletic purposes. Yeah it helps me wake up and chit in the morning. But it does rocket your blood pressure.
It appears to if you're first starting nicotine and caffeine, but after you're adapted too it, it's just fulfilling the cravings your having.

OP, seriously, stay away from the nicotine. No matter how good it makes you feel, soon you'll need to go from the 2mg gum to the 4mg gum and then you'll be on the road to vaping and other shít. Just avoid it, homie. It's not worth the risk.
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Originally Posted By PartyGuy414⏩
It appears to if you're first starting nicotine and caffeine, but after you're adapted too it, it's just fulfilling the cravings your having.

OP, seriously, stay away from the nicotine. No matter how good it makes you feel, soon you'll need to go from the 2mg gum to the 4mg gum and then you'll be on the road to vaping and other shít. Just avoid it, homie. It's not worth the risk.
I’ve had numerous blood pressure readings from 10+ doctor visits and have used nicotine pouches for almost 2 years. Even after all that time my blood pressure goes up +30 when I’m on it vs if I take a few days off.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
I’ve had numerous blood pressure readings from 10+ doctor visits and have used nicotine pouches for almost 2 years. Even after all that time my blood pressure goes up +30 when I’m on it vs if I take a few days off.
I vape and my BP is really high as well. I've been trying to cut back on my dosages, but it's hard to do. My main problem is my pulse rate which is really high. I've actually had to be put on beta blockers to maintain my BP. It's a ridiculous cycle to get into.
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Originally Posted By SSM12⏩
Happy Friday Misc. finish the week strong and enjoy your weekend!!




Tfw never a smoker, but the gum is legit(non habit forming ime too)
lmao. first time hearing someone who has never smoked before chew the gum.

the morning chits were the greatest
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Originally Posted By PartyGuy414⏩
Nicotine, in any form, is absolutely habit forming. Nicotine has been shown to be harder to kick than heroin, so you need to be very careful when using nicotine.

https://sunrisehouse.com/cause-effec...ore-addictive/

I've known many bbers who read research studies showing nicotine + caffeine was an effective fat loss agent, and once they got done losing their fat, they became addicted to nicotine.

So, I'm not sure where you got your information that nicotine gum isn't addictive, because it absolutely is.
Nicotine alone is *NOT* addictive. 99.9% of articles conflate nicotine with cigarettes. That's not what the gum is. Nicotine in tobacco products contains other chemicals that when combined with nicotine produced an addictive reaction. Nicotine alone did not. There's a cocktail in tobacco, some of these chemicals act as low grade MAOIs which probably contributes to the "addiction."

*Using "chemicals" because I can't remember the correct term.
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Nicotine is addictive as fuk lmao I remember I would vape the equivalent of a pack of cigs a day on my suorin air until I switched to American Spirits.

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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
As somone who uses nicotine pouches and Red Bull regularly.

It does NOT benefit energy lvls for athletic purposes. Yeah it helps me wake up and chit in the morning. But it does rocket your blood pressure.
This. I work nights in warehouse, for years, and even still I want to pass out at 2 am. However with nicotine in my system I can work a solid 12 hours. Be tired as heck, but not sleepy.

Also, quite a few European athletes use snus. I think it's more for mental sharpness than anything.
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Idk about nic gum, but I use the pouches every now and then when I can feel stress coming on. Definitely clears up that feeling of wanting to strangle someone at the office for just talking to me after a deep breath.

Beats going thru a log of cope wg/mint every few weeks anyways.
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Originally Posted By -JR⏩
Nicotine alone is *NOT* addictive. 99.9% of articles conflate nicotine with cigarettes. That's not what the gum is. Nicotine in tobacco products contains other chemicals that when combined with nicotine produced an addictive reaction. Nicotine alone did not. There's a cocktail in tobacco, some of these chemicals act as low grade MAOIs which probably contributes to the "addiction."

*Using "chemicals" because I can't remember the correct term.
You are COMPLETELY wrong. All vape juice is is liquid nicotine with PG/VG added to it. Nicotine itself is an addictive chemical, regardless of whether you chew it, smoke it, drink it, snort it, or inject it.

You're basing your hypothesis on all the studies done on nicotine and tobacco, which are two different things. It's the nicotine in the tobacco that's addictive, not the tobacco.
Nicotine can be administered via several methods (excluding cigarettes, which are not recommended due to risks greatly exceeding benefits):

An inhaler, which lets you rapidly feel the effects of nicotine (and inherently carries more risk than other forms due to the speed at which it works)

Topical patches, which have about a 1 hour delay between application and absorption and maintain constant serum levels of nicotine but with less cognitive spike (least risk potential, least nootropic potential)

Chewing gums, which are sort of an intermediate between the two

There is currently insufficient evidence to suggest an 'optimal dose' of nicotine for non-smoking individuals.
https://examine.com/supplements/nicotine/
The overall bioavailability of nicotine in gum form is lesser than that of inhaled, and measured at approximately 50-80% of the total content of the gum. This lesser bioavailability is due to some intestinal absorption of nicotine from swallowed saliva, which is subject to first-pass metabolism.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3829583/
Isn't the Gum Addicting?
If you've ever felt as though you were becoming hooked on nicotine gum, you might not have been imagining it. Even though the nicotine levels in the stop-smoking product is lower than in cigarettes, there could be an addictive component to its use in some individuals.

[...]

Some people experience withdrawal symptoms when they toss out their nicotine gum, according to Murray. These withdrawal effects can include headaches, as well as irritability, depression, and difficulty concentrating.
https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessat...to-nicorette#1
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Originally Posted By PartyGuy414⏩
You are COMPLETELY wrong. All vape juice is is liquid nicotine with PG/VG added to it. Nicotine itself is an addictive chemical, regardless of whether you chew it, smoke it, drink it, snort it, or inject it.

You're basing your hypothesis on all the studies done on nicotine and tobacco, which are two different things. It's the nicotine in the tobacco that's addictive, not the tobacco.


https://examine.com/supplements/nicotine/


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3829583/


https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessat...to-nicorette#1
This is a fairly fascinating article. Check it out:

https://www.discovermagazine.com/hea...he-wonder-drug
Perhaps most surprising is that, in studies by Boyd and others, nicotine has not caused addiction or withdrawal when used to treat disease. These findings fly in the face of nicotine’s reputation as one of the most addictive substances known, but it’s a reputation built on myth. Tobacco may well be as addictive as heroin, as some have claimed. But as scientists know, getting mice or other animals hooked on nicotine alone is dauntingly difficult. As a 2007 paper in the journal Neuropharmacology put it: “Tobacco use has one of the highest rates of addiction of any abused drug.” Paradoxically it’s almost impossible to get laboratory animals hooked on pure nicotine, though it has a mildly pleasant effect.

The same study found that tobacco smoke itself is necessary to amp up nicotine’s addictiveness. In 2005, for instance, researchers at the University of California, Irvine, found that animals self-administer a combination of nicotine and acetaldehyde, an organic chemical found in tobacco, significantly more often than either chemical alone. In 2009, a French team found that combining nicotine with a cocktail of five other chemicals found in tobacco — anabasine, nornicotine, anatabine, cotinine and myosmine — significantly increased rats’ hyperactivity and self-administration of the mix compared with nicotine alone.
If you're open minded enough to consider that nicotine (and even tobacco) are not evil, start reading with the mindset that this is a plant and it can have many uses and can be abused. Like tea, coffee, cacoa, and marijuana. The black and white thinking that this is simply another monster to be slayed is lazy and simple minded. To be sure, there are dangers, for one nicotine hasn't been shown to *cause* cancer (yet) but it has been shown to promote cancer growth. The rigidity surrounding nicotine and the refusal for people to believe it may have possible benefits mystifies me. Even smoking takes forever to kill someone, and there are proven benefits in maintaining a healthy weight. Why not take the good and leave the bad? We have a fukking obesity crisis on our hands that's gonna cost just as much to clean up as smoking did, probably cost more. For the record, I use snus. It has the lowest concentration of TSNAs (almost none) and no smoke.
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[QUOTE=-JR post_id=1619557831]This is a fairly fascinating article. Check it out:

[URL=https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/nicotine-the-wonder-drug]https://www.discovermagazine.com/hea...he-wonder-drug[/URL][/QUOTE]Nicotine has some definitive cognitive benefits no doubt, but it's still extremely addictive. Nicotine can be harder to kick than[URL=https://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/29/magazine/nicotine-harder-to-kickthan-heroin.html?pagewanted=all]heroin[/URL].



[QUOTE=-JR post_id=1619557831]Like tea, coffee, cacoa, and marijuana[/QUOTE]Have you ever been addicted to nicotine and see the toll it takes on your life and health (in regards to tobacco)? It is a 100% cancer causing agent. Tobacco makes your breath and clothes stink, it's horrible for your dental health, amongst other many negative benefits.

Tea, cocoa, coffee and marijuana have the benefits of [i]preventing[i] cancer and don't completely take over your life, like those do (with maybe the exception of caffeine and potentially marijuana if you become psychologically addictive)

I, myself vape, and enjoy the effects and the cognitive benefits. If you read the Wikipedia page or the examine.com article I listed, it has been shown to prevent Crohn's disease and potentially prevent cognitive decline later in life, like with Parkison's and Alzheimers.

[URL=https://examine.com/supplements/nicotine/]https://examine.com/supplements/nicotine/[/URL]

[QUOTE]The black and white thinking that this is simply another monster to be slayed is lazy and simple minded. To be sure, there are dangers, for one nicotine hasn't been shown to *cause* cancer (yet) but it has been shown to promote cancer growth.[/QUOTE]I'm not aware of any study that links nicotine[i]itself[/i]to cancer. My issue is with it's addictive potential.

[QUOTE=-JR post_id=1619557831]The rigidity surrounding nicotine and the refusal for people to believe it may have possible benefits mystifies me. Even smoking takes forever to kill someone, and there are proven benefits in maintaining a healthy weight. Why not take the good and leave the bad? We have a fukking obesity crisis on our hands that's gonna cost just as much to clean up as smoking did, probably cost more. For the record, I use snus. It has the lowest concentration of TSNAs (almost none) and no smoke.[/QUOTE]Sure it takes nicotine "forever to kill someone", consider 30-40 years or so maybe, and even then that's a short onset of time for someone who's life that is. I also wouldn't[i]ever[/i]even consider recommend someone take up smoking. Do you work for the tobacco industry or something?

I used snus in the past and enjoyed it immensely. But, I'm just a lover of nicotine. I started when I was a dumb teenager, but I've had a love/hate affair with the drug ever since. I am also aware it has less chemicals and nitrates that cause cancer, but that still doesn't mean it can't/won't cause gum or mouth cancer in the future.
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I used nicotine gum as PWO for a long time. Just be careful with the stim tolerance.

At one point I was up to 1000mg caffeine, 5 sticks of nicotine gum, 3 primatine ephedra pills and multiple tabs of adrafinil daily. lol
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I used to smoke ciggied, but the buzz is short-lived so kicked the habit

Nicotine is pretty low on my list of cognitive enhancers or energy boosters. ECA stack or DMHA/DMAA preworkout consistently delivers. Also can’t go wrong with 600mg caffeine + l theanine.
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Originally Posted By LinuxJon⏩
I used nicotine gum as PWO for a long time. Just be careful with the stim tolerance.

At one point I was up to 1000mg caffeine, 5 sticks of nicotine gum, 3 primatine ephedra pills and multiple tabs of adrafinil daily. lol
Adrafinil-surprised the FDA hasn't stopped that in it's tracks lol. Tempted to stock up since they just got rid of piracetam.
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Man back when I used to dip all it made me do was want to sit on my ass. Like it had a stim effect but it drained me of energy at the same time.
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I literally just pop 2 4mg if I want to chew it that day, in the morning, and I’m good for the day. Sometimes even spit it out around mid afternoon.

I don’t chew it everyday.

Gets me focused too.

I think like anything, moderation can be had to use it as a tool for whatever benefit it provides you.
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