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post 1620661031 10-28-2020, 05:00 AM
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I just don't get it, need insight on islam

China has been cutting down on Islamic citizens but claims to be a country where religion can be freely expressed

So why are they so against Muslims, is it because Muslims resist conformity? Or is it something more dire? I've been reading so many articles but all they state is what China is doing I'm not understanding underlying policies and belief systems.
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Thank you to the miscers who helped to inform me this is all based on land disputes
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In a communistic system, man is god. It’s not just Muslims they hate. Christianity is despised and Judaism. Well, all religions.
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Originally Posted By hendrixfreak70
In a communistic system, man is god. It’s not just Muslims they hate. Christianity is despised and Judaism. Well, all religions.
This. China treat Christians like chit too but I don’t think they’re at concentration camp levels yet

Rightfully so, fukk religion!
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The Northwestern region of Xinjiang - majority Turkic Uyghurs - was conquered by China in the 1750s. Ever since then they've been trying to gain independence - look up the East Turkestan independence movement - while China is having none of it. There were also numerous riots and attacks carried out by extremists - see the Kunming Station knife attack where 8 attackers/organizers killed 31 people and injured 141 more.

No doubt that the Chinese exaggerate some of the attacks and cases and push fake news as well, but it's not exactly fun and games.
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They want to be god of the people. So all other religions are shaded
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They don't want them to take over china like they did Germany
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The biggest takeaway you can learn from this is that China lies

Their official policy (for the westerners to see) =/= what they actually practice, especially in terms of human rights
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I think it's their race, not religion.

It is Uighur's land and China does not accept ii.
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Originally Posted By hendrixfreak70
In a communistic system, man is god. It’s not just Muslims they hate. Christianity is despised and Judaism. Well, all religions.
So their policy to the UN as being a nation of freedom of religion is false? How can you prove this other than the recent incarceration of Muslims into camps?
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble
The Northwestern region of Xinjiang - majority Turkic Uyghurs - was conquered by China in the 1750s. Ever since then they've been trying to gain independence - look up the East Turkestan independence movement - while China is having none of it. There were also numerous riots and attacks carried out by extremists - see the Kunming Station knife attack where 8 attackers/organizers killed 31 people and injured 141 more.

No doubt that the Chinese exaggerate some of the attacks and cases and push fake news as well, but it's not exactly fun and games.
Ahh now this makes perfect sense, they are fighting back against the communist system

Well that's stupid with no army or allies it's no wonder they are getting f*cked

Here I was thinking it was about religion
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Originally Posted By AlexSays
The biggest takeaway you can learn from this is that China lies

Their official policy (for the westerners to see) =/= what they actually practice, especially in terms of human rights
If this is true why are so many Chinese so pro China?

Are they brainwashed or have some form of sympathy towards the leaders?
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400
I think it's their race, not religion.

It is Uighur's land and China does not accept ii.
I've repped I didn't realize their suffering

Countries of today don't recognize the older kingdoms that have fell

Black in North America were here before Columbus came and even to this day we aren't given our own land and right to govern our own selves, the only thing we do have is a few backs and schools that are run by blacks but still operate under the Federal (white supremist) government.

This is why I tell my nieces and nephews do your best in life but know that things will never change until the day arrives when a "righteous" king will establish true freedom and peace for all. And since no such person exist alive to this day we are all f*cked
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Originally Posted By torontoalbert
So their policy to the UN as being a nation of freedom of religion is false? How can you prove this other than the recent incarceration of Muslims into camps?
No **** their freedom of religion is false. Look up what they did to the Falun Gong movement, which was based on traditional Chinese meditation and folk religion. They arrested millions of people, have tortured and executed hundreds of thousands, and are to this day committing atrocities against their incarcerated population. Such as the widely known practice of murdering political prisoners to harvest their internal organs for sale across China.


If the CCCP is willing to do this to their own ethnic Chinese, what makes you think they give a damn about Muslim Turkic people? Any religion in China will be violently opposed as a political threat to the Party. If Xinjiang was not so remote the repression would be far worse.
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Originally Posted By torontoalbert
I've repped I didn't realize their suffering

Countries of today don't recognize the older kingdoms that have fell

Black in North America were here before Columbus came and even to this day we aren't given our own land and right to govern our own selves, the only thing we do have is a few backs and schools that are run by blacks but still operate under the Federal (white supremist) government.

This is why I tell my nieces and nephews do your best in life but know that things will never change until the day arrives when a "righteous" king will establish true freedom and peace for all. And since no such person exist alive to this day we are all f*cked
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Originally Posted By torontoalbert
I've repped I didn't realize their suffering

Countries of today don't recognize the older kingdoms that have fell

Black in North America were here before Columbus came and even to this day we aren't given our own land and right to govern our own selves, the only thing we do have is a few backs and schools that are run by blacks but still operate under the Federal (white supremist) government.

This is why I tell my nieces and nephews do your best in life but know that things will never change until the day arrives when a "righteous" king will establish true freedom and peace for all. And since no such person exist alive to this day we are all f*cked
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Originally Posted By torontoalbert
I've repped I didn't realize their suffering

Countries of today don't recognize the older kingdoms that have fell

Black in North America were here before Columbus came and even to this day we aren't given our own land and right to govern our own selves, the only thing we do have is a few backs and schools that are run by blacks but still operate under the Federal (white supremist) government.

This is why I tell my nieces and nephews do your best in life but know that things will never change until the day arrives when a "righteous" king will establish true freedom and peace for all. And since no such person exist alive to this day we are all f*cked
This might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on the misc, but back on topic...

OP the Chinese government would like to eliminate all religion as it threatens obedience to the state. Islam happens to be the modern "religion" that is most incompatible with a civilized, non-10th century society, so it is in the limelight. The only place Islam fits is if you still live in mud huts and think the sun is magic.
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Since you seem to be asking sincerely ill try to explain

They are not necessarily against Islam

They are against militant Islamic Jihadism, specifically the East Turkestan separatist movement that wants to cede from China and form an Islamic state under sharia law. A huge amount of them fought in Syria and Afghanistan, and returned back to China in recent years

They are the same group that the US is bombing the chit out of

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...nistan-n845876

This group went from terrorists to be exterminated to oppressed victims in the US governments eyes in just a few years! They are a very small portion of the Uighur population but responsible for a lot of terrorist attacks on law enforcement and civilians.

There is no Uighur genocide, their population has been exploding over the last decade and life goes on as normal there for the vast majority of people (most of them fully support the CCPs measures). Wages, education levels and living standards are rising fast too - its one of the most economically backwards parts of the country.

The 'one million detained' figure is based of a sketchy testimony from a few asylum seekers and a religious (christian) zealot who is on a crusade against China, and some blurry drone footage.

At most it is a heavy handed crackdown to a real problem with innocent people caught up in the middle and abuses likely happening on the individual level. It is not genocide or mass systematic oppression.

At a deeper level the US see Xinjiang as a potential route to their long term goal of breaking China up, and the non stop attacks and Uighur stories are just ways to prime the public in the West to hate China and support war/more escalation in the future. Its pure war propaganda, plain and simple.

Most of what you are reading is propaganda. There are definitely people suffering there - but the overall western narrative is nonsense. For example one of the famous pictures of "uighur torture" by the ccp was identified as from a Taiwanese bdsm club.

Muslim countries around the world aren't idiots though, that's why there is no mass outcry about it outside of US bootlicker countries. The hypocrisy of the US trying to paint itself as a defender of Muslims after killing millions of them and destroying so many of their countries over the last few decades is absurd. China is at a point now where they can just tell the US to fuk off though so it makes little difference and no other countries are really buying the story.

If it was a European country taking such measures the misc would all be cheering them on srs.
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Originally Posted By torontoalbert
If this is true why are so many Chinese so pro China?

Are they brainwashed or have some form of sympathy towards the leaders?
Someone far smarter than me can comment on this in more detail but since Mao Zedong, the generation that grew up in that regime was brainwashed into communism/nationalism and hatred for everyone else. That generation hates everyone else and loves China.
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400
"Uncivilized nations are destined to get stepped on by the civilized ones"
Damn....just damn

So you therefore believe that China will eventually overtake Americans?

The way I see it as more and more Chinese move into cities their level of education is rising while here in America you have country folk that are fighting 5 G something which is already established in China's mega cities
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You're a special kind of retard, aren't you?
No it's true the weak will continue to get attacked and taken advantage of because no righteousness exist on this earth anymore everyone has become selfish and the British class has made it so that all the races are fighting each other based on skin colour it is a mess
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Originally Posted By Slayermanlet
Since you seem to be asking sincerely ill try to explain

They are not necessarily against Islam

They are against militant Islamic Jihadism, specifically the East Turkestan separatist movement that wants to cede from China and form an Islamic state under sharia law. A huge amount of them fought in Syria and Afghanistan, and returned back to China in recent years

They are the same group that the US is bombing the chit out of

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u...nistan-n845876

This group went from terrorists to be exterminated to oppressed victims in the US governments eyes in just a few years! They are a very small portion of the Uighur population but responsible for a lot of terrorist attacks on law enforcement and civilians.

There is no Uighur genocide, their population has been exploding over the last decade and life goes on as normal there for the vast majority of people (most of them fully support the CCPs measures). Wages, education levels and living standards are rising fast too - its one of the most economically backwards parts of the country.

The 'one million detained' figure is based of a sketchy testimony from a few asylum seekers and a religious (christian) zealot who is on a crusade against China, and some blurry drone footage.

At most it is a heavy handed crackdown to a real problem with innocent people caught up in the middle and abuses likely happening on the individual level. It is not genocide or mass systematic oppression.

At a deeper level the US see Xinjiang as a potential route to their long term goal of breaking China up, and the non stop attacks and Uighur stories are just ways to prime the public in the West to hate China and support war/more escalation in the future. Its pure war propaganda, plain and simple.

Most of what you are reading is propaganda. There are definitely people suffering there - but the overall western narrative is nonsense. For example one of the famous pictures of "uighur torture" by the ccp was identified as from a Taiwanese bdsm club.

Muslim countries around the world aren't idiots though, that's why there is no mass outcry about it outside of US bootlicker countries. The hypocrisy of the US trying to paint itself as a defender of Muslims after killing millions of them and destroying so many of their countries over the last few decades is absurd. China is at a point now where they can just tell the US to fuk off though so it makes little difference and no other countries are really buying the story.

If it was a European country taking such measures the misc would all be cheering them on srs.
I've also repped you because you have caused me to see things from another point of view, China is only defending its borders and stability, do o guess there are two sides to this coin
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CCP wants to annigilate Uighur Muslims just like they want to annihilate Tibetan Buddhists.

There's another Muslim ethnicity that lives in China, their population is significant too and they're devout but since they're more 'Chinese', they're largely left alone.
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Muslims don't assimilate. Now the uyghurs already lived in china, but they're no different from muslims from the middle east/north africa moving to western europe.
Muslims want to take over. They want their own country.

To liberals, the crusades ended a long time ago and now they want peace/diversity/enriched culture etc.
But to muslims, the war never ended. They go to the mosque every day praying for judgement day, which is the day they'll try to kill every non muslim, even if their best friend was a non muslim.

Instead of taking over by force (wars), they now take over by breeding like rabbits. Having multiple kids until the demographic shifts to a tipping point where muslims outnumber non muslims in western countries. Dictator erdogan from turkey, called upon his turks living in germany to have 6-7 kids instead of 3-4 kids, exactly for that purpose.
When the tipping point happens, muslims will elect muslim politicians and they will create muslim laws. Soon you'll have another middle east with sharia law and everything, unless a civil war happens before that.

You'll also see second generation muslims still struggling with a native language. They don't bother to learn it.
The wives pop a kid every year, which prevents them to work. Simultaneously they get more welfare per kid, so it works out.
They have the highest crime statistics in western europe, highest welfare statistics. And whenever there are large concentrations of muslims, you'll see muslim stores, halal restaurants etc.
Basically a chinatown but for muslims.

In western europe, the muslims dominate. The liberals bend over. Behead a school teacher for showing a drawing of mohammed? Drive over 90 people with a truck? Let's blame mental illness and not islam.

in China however, they don't fuk around. The uyghurs would commit terrorist attacks, demanding their own country.
Instead of bending over, china sent them to ''re-education camps''. China is not going to give them anything.
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China is communist

Communism = everybody the same


Muslims plus Chinese people = not everybody the same

Make sense?
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I'm surprised at how muted the Islamic world is to China's treatment of Muslims but are all gung ho against France when Macron denounces Islamists/radical Muslims.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze
I'm surprised at how muted the Islamic world is to China's treatment of Muslims but are all gung ho against France when Macron denounces Islamists/radical Muslims.
They can't do chit about china. But they already have a huge threshold in france, germany, uk, western europe.
There's no point focussing on china, when they're close to conquering western europe.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze
I'm surprised at how muted the Islamic world is to China's treatment of Muslims but are all gung ho against France when Macron denounces Islamists/radical Muslims.
It's simply because the wealthy Arab nations are hypocrites. They rather sow hate and division among the People of the Book (who are NOT the enemy) rather than fight the true kuffar of the world. Those who believe man should be God.

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Originally Posted By MuzzieChik786
It's simply because the wealthy Arab nations are hypocrites. They rather sow hate and division among the People of the Book (who are NOT the enemy) rather than fight the true kuffar of the world. Those who believe man should be God.

Cowards and hypocrites.
Us and allies have been responsible for how many Muslim deaths this century? And China are the real enemy? Lmao
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