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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
I've realized that I kinda hate the whammy bar. I really hate it when players use it to make that watery, undulating pitchy sound with every note.
It's the primary reason I've never gotten into beck.
I also hate water-y chorus sounds like the way Mike Stern uses it. Sounds like absolute chit to me, I want to hear the guitar tone not that crap.
It can be used creatively but seems like more often than not it gets abused and becomes a crutch so I never got into it. Have always blocked mine and enjoy the headless-like tuning stability.

As for chorus re: Stern, Metheny, Scofield, etc. blame the Roland JC-120 stereo amp that was really popular back then. They all got hooked and drenched their tone with that chorus sound. I saw Stern live with Dave Weckl who's one of the best drummers I've seen up close so I mainly focused on his playing and after a couple of songs blocked out Stern's chorus sound.
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
You're barking up the wrong tree mang. I've been trying to get miscers to post more videos for years.

Trying to get Dom to post a video is like trying to squeeze Nut Sauce from a rock.

Swim to the Hammett post videos occasionally but he refuses to allow you to enjoy the music because of his drum programming.

No one likes to post videos except me it seems.
Lmao when the fuk did you ever post a video?? I'm the only one that ever posts anything.. There was another no avi guy a few years ago that was crazy good that used to post but I forgot his name, he used to play Paul Gilbert chit that's all I remember.. Anyways, fuk you bro strong constructive criticism, once I get my bends and vibrato in check I will guitar mog you.. I give up on drum programming though, you can make fun of that all you want lol
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Lol I've posted videos all the time - the dream theater under the glass moon solo while drunk, the pantera domination solo, the yngwie trilogy suite op 5 opening, the faceless deconsecrate solo, the periphery mile zero solo.
No! I need your drum programming for the comic relief it provides for your serious songs.

And you're talking about that cat Betathanyou or something like that, he used to be in a band with Anton Oparin so that should say it all.

You gotta remember this Domination solo I posted a long time because you clowned me for the open G string I kept on accidentally hitting and ringing out. Which was correct criticism to be honest lol.
But hear the glimpses of my top tier vibrato and bending mang.... except for that last bend lol.

Fuuuk right man, you're good mang nevermind what i said.. But the kirk hammet comment, it hurts man, those are fighting words
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[QUOTE=rollerball post_id=1621465541]Lmao when being called a "Hammett" is a major insult.

Lol do y'all think Kirk Hammett is aware of his reputation on the internet?

[youtube]yPg3B3xF-r0[/youube]

[youtube]Jm4oI5Lg5wE[/yotube][/QUOTE]Chit if I had his level of success and money I would give no fuks at all..
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Lol I've posted videos all the time - the dream theater under the glass moon solo while drunk, the pantera domination solo, the yngwie trilogy suite op 5 opening, the faceless deconsecrate solo, the periphery mile zero solo.
No! I need your drum programming for the comic relief it provides for your serious songs.

And you're talking about that cat Betathanyou or something like that, he used to be in a band with Anton Oparin so that should say it all.

You gotta remember this Domination solo I posted a long time because you clowned me for the open G string I kept on accidentally hitting and ringing out. Which was correct criticism to be honest lol.
But hear the glimpses of my top tier vibrato and bending mang.... except for that last bend lol.

I remember some of the chit you posted in the last thread. there was some cool jazz fusion sounding stuff. Anyway pretty good cover of Domination. How long have you and the other guys in here been playing? Based on the chit you all discuss it sounds like you've been playing for 10+ years and are pretty well versed in theory as well. Are there any other noobs ITT?
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+ Took lessons with Satriani. I think Hammett was his last student before he quit teaching. Joe's bending and vibrato is top tier so there's no excuse really.
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Hammett recalled his first lesson with Satriani. He said: "It was actually very poignant. His first lesson to me was, 'Learn your lesson. Don't waste your time, don't waste my time. I expect you to know everything that I gave you in a week's time.' I was, like, 'This guy is serious.' But you know what? I did it, and he kicked my ass. But after a while, I was taking two lessons a week from him. I became so thirsty for what he had to offer me, I was just, like, 'Bring it on! It's all making sense. I wanna learn more.'"
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
I feel that Hammett's earlier solo work was slightly more inventive when he was taking lessons from Satch or at least still retained his teachings before clearly letting it all go over the years.
Remember when Bob Rock was on his case? He wanted to mail it in with another Kirk Wahmmett solo and he told him to "do his homework."

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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
If I posted something that sounded jazz/fusion-y I was probably faking it but thanks.
I've been playing easily over ten years but my theory is sh*te. I can read music notation and I understand the fundamental concepts of theory however I have very little of it memorized/internalized. I don't even have the Circle of Fifths memorized.

Z4v4 and Dom seem to be the theory heads around here.
On your channel it's the one with the sunset Ibanez, or whatever it's called. Sounded pretty good to me. I guess the more experienced you get, the more nitpick-y you become as well. You just notice way more errors and chit. Yeah, I started looking into theory and learned the notes on the fretboard finally. I need to drill it until it becomes second nature though. That's the extent of my theoretical knowledge at the moment.

Anyway, figured I'd post some of my poverty noob playing since we were talking about posting vids. I haven't played for the past couple weeks because I've just been lazy af, but these are all from the last ~2 months. I'm open to any critique, especially on my alternate picking vid. I've been working on building it up so I can eventually do some trem picking. That and bends are the big problems I see with my own playing. I still bend with one finger whereas all the good players i see tend to bend with three. I started trying to shift to three but it's quite an adjustment. Anyway, like I said, all pointers welcome.

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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Lol I've posted videos all the time - the dream theater under the glass moon solo while drunk, the pantera domination solo, the yngwie trilogy suite op 5 opening, the faceless deconsecrate solo, the periphery mile zero solo.
No! I need your drum programming for the comic relief it provides for your serious songs.

And you're talking about that cat Betathanyou or something like that, he used to be in a band with Anton Oparin so that should say it all.

You gotta remember this Domination solo I posted a long time because you clowned me for the open G string I kept on accidentally hitting and ringing out. Which was correct criticism to be honest lol.
But hear the glimpses of my top tier vibrato and bending mang.... except for that last bend lol.

Nice speed and vibrato but some of those bends were out of tune :P
Also some of the notes are a bit robotic. EoR was saying a previous post that you need to play each note like you mean it and give it life.
Of course this is extreme criticism because you are a good player but if you improve on those you will be great.

I also liked the jazz video. Really nice.
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Ah right, what I meant by "faking it" is that if you were to put a jazz lead sheet in front of me or ask me to improvise over jazzy chord progressions I would fall flat on my face. I can kind of do that faux-jazzy improvisational thing like in the video but any legit jazz/fusion player would recognize that I was doing some real basic chit.

I think your alternate picking sounds clean controlled, at least at that speed. Movement seems primarily from the wrist and not a ton of wasted motion, nor does it look awkward. I don't think you really need to wait before trying to tremolo pick on one string, you should dive right in.
There's a ton of info out there on picking faster, if I were to add my two cents it would be to evaluate how far the tip of your pick dips below the plane of the string when picking through it. I try to have as little amount of the pick as possible dip below the string when playing fast to reduce drag.
Also, you might want to vary the dynamics - do those alternate picking exercises with varying degrees of right hand palm muting for different sonic textures.
That's really helpful advice, bro, thanks. I like what you said about varying the dynamics. I have actually been experimenting with this a bit as I've come across it in different songs. The two that come to mind are Junkhead's opening chords--they switch from open to pretty heavily palm muted--and the palm muted alternate picking section of 'Black Sabbath' by Black Sabbath. While playing those I've started to switch from open to muted and I think I know what you mean about the texture changing. I will start using it in my warm up routine and alt. picking stuff just so I can get a better feel for it/more control.

And re: trem picking, thanks. I always felt it would be good to have alt. picking dialed before diving in but I think I'll take your advice in this case. Thanks for the input!
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Yeah lol, the problem with that Ibanez is the strings are so far off the neck that the string tension made string bending very difficult. That's why that last bend was so chitty lmao. I remember posting a picture of the distance of the string from the frets at the 12th fret and Dom was horrified and mystified I could even bend the strings at all. I usually have pretty solid bending and vibrato accuracy.

Yeah I agree, I don't think that solo was very good and did sound pretty robotic that's why I titled it Sh*tty Domination solo lol, but I also have an issue with "red light fever". As soon as I hit the record button I instantly tighten up and get less relaxed.

I feel like I gave a bunch of excuses there but I'm gonna stand by them.
Stfu and take the critique like a man pussy lmao
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
I would if I had a penthouse suite that was 2 min from the beach in southern Turkey surrounded by hot bishes everywhere. I wouldn't be caught dead miscing if I was there, nom saying?
Strong ad hominem my robot friend..
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Touche' Swim to the Wahmatt, touche'
Never even owned a wah pedal in my life lol.. Let's be real though, Kirk wrote more iconic solos than you and I ever will
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Lol it was nod to Dom's portmanteau of Hammett and Wah.

Hmmm, iconic. That's a strong word. What solos by Hammett would you actually call iconic other than, I guess, the solo from One and Fade to Black?
One and Fade to Black

Iconic is the perfect word, like 90% of guitarists learn one of those solos at some point..Everyone loses their chit when he plays it live..
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Lol I'm so miserly when it comes to giving Wahmatt any credibility.

The funny thing about that Fade to Black solo is like 90% of those guitarists who learn it always f*ck up that one fast part, y'know that part I'm talking about.
What puzzles me is Satriani still lives in SF so it's weird that he didn't continue to check in with him despite their busy schedules and try to continue improving. As you pointed out his playing regressed from the 80s when he stopped taking lessons with him.

Listen to Joe's playing here and imagine some of that on Metallica's softer stuff. Kirk seemed content to wah it up rehashing the same pentatonic licks. Surely when Hetfield drops the best solo on the band's most successful album he'd realize he was going backwards and it was time to hit up his old teacher. Former students Steve Vai, Alex Skolnick, and Charlie Hunter obviously all continued to improve.

2:50 No shaky bends or meth-infused vibrato here. Still the gold standard for me.



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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
What puzzles me is Satriani still lives in SF so it's weird that he didn't continue to check in with him despite their busy schedules and try to continue improving. As you pointed out his playing regressed from the 80s when he stopped taking lessons with him.

Listen to Joe's playing here and imagine some of that on Metallica's softer stuff. Kirk seemed content to wah it up rehashing the same pentatonic licks. Surely when Hetfield drops the best solo on the band's most successful album he'd realize he was going backwards and it was time to hit up his old teacher. Former students Steve Vai, Alex Skolnick, and Charlie Hunter obviously all continued to improve.

2:50 No shaky bends or meth-infused vibrato here. Still the gold standard for me.
Music tastes are funny.. I'd rather be stuck listening to Kirk Hammett for a day that Satriani..His music never hit me, always been more of a Petrucci fan as far as those solo guitarists from that era go..
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