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Tucker Carlson: Elites are using identity politics to preserve class system
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The media and establishment used identity politics to usurp the leadership and destroy occupy Wall Street. Before occupy Wall Street identity politics existed, but not to this level we see today.
The thing they fear the most is common people uniting
The thing they fear the most is common people uniting
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But isn't trumpism part of identity politics?
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Notice how these elites also only push positive identity politics on certain groups. They like them organizing, and having an in-group preference. There are others that they absolutely don't want to organize.
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Originally Posted By moosik85⏩
When Occupy hit I was in my early 20s. I was like "Oh sh!t, people are actually rising up?!" I went to visit the Zuccotti Park in NYC where it started, a few weeks into it, walked around for a day, and was so massively disappointed. The identity politics sh!t was already prevalent there. It felt more like a cult than revolution. I was immediately against the movement, it was clearly subverted.The media and establishment used identity politics to usurp the leadership and destroy occupy Wall Street. Before occupy Wall Street identity politics existed, but not to this level we see today.
The thing they fear the most is common people uniting
The thing they fear the most is common people uniting
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Originally Posted By CrimsonSteel⏩
Same for me. That entire movement started as a good idea but quickly derailed into stupidity. I was asking people why they weren't in DC protesting Congress. They seemed legit confused and then I knew the idea was killed in infacy.When Occupy hit I was in my early 20s. I was like "Oh sh!t, people are actually rising up?!" I went to visit the Zuccotti Park in NYC where it started, a few weeks into it, walked around for a day, and was so massively disappointed. The identity politics sh!t was already prevalent there. It felt more like a cult than revolution. I was immediately against the movement, it was clearly subverted.
The Peter Schiff video where he's at OW is cringe. Just sad at this exchange:
"This sounds like a nuclear scientist debating a glass of milk" <---top tier quote from the comments hahaha
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Originally Posted By GodlessWonder⏩
The whole 1% thing was stupid. Like that includes most doctors, some small business owners, and anyone at a director level at a decently sized company. They are just normal people. The subversives are more like the 1% of the 1%ers.Same for me. That entire movement started as a good idea but quickly derailed into stupidity. I was asking people why they weren't in DC protesting Congress. They seemed legit confused and then I knew the idea was killed in infacy.
The Peter Schiff video where he's at OW is cringe. Just sad at this exchange:
"This sounds like a nuclear scientist debating a glass of milk" <---top tier quote from the comments hahaha
The Peter Schiff video where he's at OW is cringe. Just sad at this exchange:
"This sounds like a nuclear scientist debating a glass of milk" <---top tier quote from the comments hahaha
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Most of what Tucker says is correct, but they aren't trying to preserve anything. They're trying[and may very well succeed] to radically alter everything about our world through concerted Marxist scam revolution ...
Communists Using Racial Agitation And Socialism
Step by step how communists take over countries
Marxist communist smear tactics
If you still aren't aware of what's really going on, now is the time to find out and here is the best place to start ...
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1614037321
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1624247201
The riots/BLM/antifa; the US election being intentionally corrupted [ps. I first posted that exact statement about the election in AUGUST!]; the propaganda to divide races and classes; the destruction of private business and other exaggerated responses to COVID-19; the 'climate change is imminent global catastrophe that we need big government to fix' propaganda; the destruction of all things we know and love and trust and believe in about our country; the propaganda against flag and anthem and pride in country; attempted removal of people's right to be effectively armed against all threats including totalitarian tyranny; taking control of all forms of media; all being done by the same coordinated group/cult of global socialists and Marxists who want total control over an effectively enslaved population. It's all about the Great Reset.
This is by far the single most important thing that will consume our lives in the near future of the next year and several years.
As far as I'm concerned nothing matters more now than defeating this new evil menace now and defeating it won't be easy. They have an excellent chance at succeeding in totalitarian takeover ie. basically turning our world into a 'communist' one. They hold all the cards and we only hold a mass of unorganized and mostly unaware people. We must gain mass awareness and organization if we are to stop it.
Communists Using Racial Agitation And Socialism
Step by step how communists take over countries
Marxist communist smear tactics
If you still aren't aware of what's really going on, now is the time to find out and here is the best place to start ...
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1614037321
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1624247201
The riots/BLM/antifa; the US election being intentionally corrupted [ps. I first posted that exact statement about the election in AUGUST!]; the propaganda to divide races and classes; the destruction of private business and other exaggerated responses to COVID-19; the 'climate change is imminent global catastrophe that we need big government to fix' propaganda; the destruction of all things we know and love and trust and believe in about our country; the propaganda against flag and anthem and pride in country; attempted removal of people's right to be effectively armed against all threats including totalitarian tyranny; taking control of all forms of media; all being done by the same coordinated group/cult of global socialists and Marxists who want total control over an effectively enslaved population. It's all about the Great Reset.
This is by far the single most important thing that will consume our lives in the near future of the next year and several years.
As far as I'm concerned nothing matters more now than defeating this new evil menace now and defeating it won't be easy. They have an excellent chance at succeeding in totalitarian takeover ie. basically turning our world into a 'communist' one. They hold all the cards and we only hold a mass of unorganized and mostly unaware people. We must gain mass awareness and organization if we are to stop it.
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Carlson is a puppet of elites himself...who writes his checks ?
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Originally Posted By johnnyboi123⏩
The uncuckable Tuck got cuckedCarlson is a puppet of elites himself...who writes his checks ?
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Cucker Tarlson has fallen so far. Going on about commie class warfare stuff now even.
They are using diversity chit because it's their religion. Their religion is men = bad, White = bad, because Whites and men own all the stuff. In order to justify why they are entitled to the stuff that we own, they need to create some sort of casus belli. They are the ones initiating class warfare, the parasite class vs the productive class.
Saying "we the poor straight White males need to stick up for ourselves against the rich Democrats" is right for completely the wrong reasons.
They are using diversity chit because it's their religion. Their religion is men = bad, White = bad, because Whites and men own all the stuff. In order to justify why they are entitled to the stuff that we own, they need to create some sort of casus belli. They are the ones initiating class warfare, the parasite class vs the productive class.
Saying "we the poor straight White males need to stick up for ourselves against the rich Democrats" is right for completely the wrong reasons.
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Originally Posted By hoganrulz⏩
Based. Feel like I'm tripping balls every time an IDpol thread is made that unironically regurgitates a marxist Reddit sub and no one acknowledges that Nationalism is identity politics. Religious sectarianism is identity politics. Even the type of superficially "pro-worker" talk is identity politics.But isn't trumpism part of identity politics?
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
It only counts when it supports your bias in 2020.Based. Feel like I'm tripping balls every time an IDpol thread is made that unironically regurgitates a marxist Reddit sub and no one acknowledges that Nationalism is identity politics. Religious sectarianism is identity politics. Even the type of superficially "pro-worker" talk is identity politics.
It's because everybody has been spoonfed an opinion.
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
I came to my own conclusion that you're gay.It only counts when it supports your bias in 2020.
It's because everybody has been spoonfed an opinion.
It's because everybody has been spoonfed an opinion.
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Nice Tucker Carlson video.
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
This is spooky stuff. It's like a mass hypnotizing of the population through repetitive and I believe subliminal messages in the MSM.Most of what Tucker says is correct, but they aren't trying to preserve anything. They're trying[and may very well succeed] to radically alter everything about our world through concerted Marxist scam revolution ...
If you still aren't aware of what's really going on, now is the time to find out and here is the best place to start ...
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1614037321
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1624247201
The riots/BLM/antifa; the 'Great Reset;' the US election being intentionally corrupted [ps. I first posted that exact statement about the election in AUGUST!]; the propaganda to divide races and classes; the destruction of private business and other exaggerated responses to COVID-19; the destruction of all things we know and love and trust and believe in about our country; the propaganda against flag and anthem and pride in country; attempted removal of people's right to be effectively armed against all threats including totalitarian tyranny; taking control of all forms of media; all being done by the same coordinated group/cult of global socialists and Marxists who want total control over an effectively enslaved population.
This is by far the single most important thing that will consume our lives in the near future of the next year and several years.
As far as I'm concerned nothing else matters other than defeating this new evil menace now and defeating it won't be easy. They have an excellent chance at succeeding in totalitarian takeover ie. basically turning our world into a 'communist' one. They hold all the cards and we only hold a mass of unorganized and mostly unaware people. We must gain mass awareness and organization if we are to stop it.
If you still aren't aware of what's really going on, now is the time to find out and here is the best place to start ...
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1614037321
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1624247201
The riots/BLM/antifa; the 'Great Reset;' the US election being intentionally corrupted [ps. I first posted that exact statement about the election in AUGUST!]; the propaganda to divide races and classes; the destruction of private business and other exaggerated responses to COVID-19; the destruction of all things we know and love and trust and believe in about our country; the propaganda against flag and anthem and pride in country; attempted removal of people's right to be effectively armed against all threats including totalitarian tyranny; taking control of all forms of media; all being done by the same coordinated group/cult of global socialists and Marxists who want total control over an effectively enslaved population.
This is by far the single most important thing that will consume our lives in the near future of the next year and several years.
As far as I'm concerned nothing else matters other than defeating this new evil menace now and defeating it won't be easy. They have an excellent chance at succeeding in totalitarian takeover ie. basically turning our world into a 'communist' one. They hold all the cards and we only hold a mass of unorganized and mostly unaware people. We must gain mass awareness and organization if we are to stop it.
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
Check your PMMost of what Tucker says is correct, but they aren't trying to preserve anything. They're trying[and may very well succeed] to radically alter everything about our world through concerted Marxist scam revolution ...
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Originally Posted By TypeNirvash⏩
You're always so generousIt only counts when it supports your bias in 2020.
It's because everybody has been spoonfed an opinion.
It's because everybody has been spoonfed an opinion.

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Originally Posted By johnnyboi123⏩
He has admitted he comes from that group. Nice try though.Carlson is a puppet of elites himself...who writes his checks ?
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[QUOTE=GodlessWonder post_id=1624265891]Same for me.[b]That entire movement started as a good idea but quickly derailed into stupidity. [/b]I was asking people why they weren't in DC protesting Congress. They seemed legit confused and then I knew the idea was killed in infacy.
The Peter Schiff video where he's at OW is cringe. Just sad at this exchange:
[youtu]RY0R0NpIdQQ?t=1730[/youtube]
"This sounds like a nuclear scientist debating a glass of milk" <---top tier quote from the comments hahaha[/QUOTE]
Same thing for these Police Brutality protests this summer.
I think that the vast majority of the population would like to see police reform. However, the movement quickly jumped the shark to defund the police, and that society at large is supposedly racist against blacks.
That turned me off, and a lot of other people as well. There was a chance for meaningful change to be made, but it blew up when identity politics came into play.
Now the question is, did IP come into play nefariously, that is, what is a strategic play made by the elites to divide the movement so no meaningful change could be made? Or simply, a stupid play, organically done by interest groups that hoped they could tack into it and they unintentionally ****ed it all up? Maybe both?
The Peter Schiff video where he's at OW is cringe. Just sad at this exchange:
[youtu]RY0R0NpIdQQ?t=1730[/youtube]
"This sounds like a nuclear scientist debating a glass of milk" <---top tier quote from the comments hahaha[/QUOTE]
Same thing for these Police Brutality protests this summer.
I think that the vast majority of the population would like to see police reform. However, the movement quickly jumped the shark to defund the police, and that society at large is supposedly racist against blacks.
That turned me off, and a lot of other people as well. There was a chance for meaningful change to be made, but it blew up when identity politics came into play.
Now the question is, did IP come into play nefariously, that is, what is a strategic play made by the elites to divide the movement so no meaningful change could be made? Or simply, a stupid play, organically done by interest groups that hoped they could tack into it and they unintentionally ****ed it all up? Maybe both?
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
lmao nothing about my post was generous thoughYou're always so generous

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Sooooo we still on to meet tonight? I wasn't sure if you knew what was up, but I think you do now.I came to my own conclusion that you're gay.
Come wearing a pair of white sneakers and nothing else. I invited a few of my bros, we're all going to give you your first gay experience

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Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
Did we watch the same video?The uncuckable Tuck got cucked
Not to mention the fact that the 90% "on the book" tax rate was NEVER paid back in the 50's. The term you are looking for is "effective tax rate" and it was drastically lower than the brackets in which people fell due to the amount of ways to avoid paying the 90%. This guy didn't have evidence other than "Tucker is a millionaire."
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[QUOTE=LukeLissen post_id=1624266731]Most of what Tucker says is correct, but they aren't trying to preserve anything. They're trying[and may very well succeed] to radically alter everything about our world through concerted Marxist scam revolution ...
[b]Communists Using Racial Agitation And Socialism[/b]
[youtub]bxTT86u8DjY[/youtube]
[b]Step by step how communists take over countries[/b]
[youtub]vkWlfcpIwtE[/youtube]
[b]Marxist communist smear tactics[/b]
[youtub]O3t1hB_8f7o[/youtube]
If you still aren't aware of what's really going on, now is the time to find out and here is the best place to start ...
[URL=https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=178852451&p=1614037321&viewfull=1#post1614037321]https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1614037321[/URL]
[URL=https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=179351321&p=1624247201&viewfull=1#post1624247201]https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1624247201[/URL]
The riots/BLM/antifa; the US election being intentionally corrupted [ps. I first posted that exact statement about the election in AUGUST!]; the propaganda to divide races and classes; the destruction of private business and other exaggerated responses to COVID-19; the 'climate change is imminent global catastrophe that we need big government to fix' propaganda; the destruction of all things we know and love and trust and believe in about our country; the propaganda against flag and anthem and pride in country; attempted removal of people's right to be effectively armed against all threats including totalitarian tyranny; taking control of all forms of media; all being done by the same coordinated group/cult of global socialists and Marxists who want total control over an effectively enslaved population. It's all about the Great Reset.
This is by far the single most important thing that will consume our lives in the near future of the next year and several years.
As far as I'm concerned nothing matters more now than defeating this new evil menace now and defeating it won't be easy. They have an excellent chance at succeeding in totalitarian takeover ie. basically turning our world into a 'communist' one. They hold all the cards and we only hold a mass of unorganized and mostly unaware people. We must gain mass awareness and organization if we are to stop it.[/QUOTE]
The way to fight back, I agree, is through organization. The best way to do that is through utilizing the channels of the MAGA movement.
Awareness is happening, but moving along at too slow of a pace, and it’s fighting against those who choose to bury their head in the sand, who are getting in the way.
[b]Communists Using Racial Agitation And Socialism[/b]
[youtub]bxTT86u8DjY[/youtube]
[b]Step by step how communists take over countries[/b]
[youtub]vkWlfcpIwtE[/youtube]
[b]Marxist communist smear tactics[/b]
[youtub]O3t1hB_8f7o[/youtube]
If you still aren't aware of what's really going on, now is the time to find out and here is the best place to start ...
[URL=https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=178852451&p=1614037321&viewfull=1#post1614037321]https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1614037321[/URL]
[URL=https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=179351321&p=1624247201&viewfull=1#post1624247201]https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1624247201[/URL]
The riots/BLM/antifa; the US election being intentionally corrupted [ps. I first posted that exact statement about the election in AUGUST!]; the propaganda to divide races and classes; the destruction of private business and other exaggerated responses to COVID-19; the 'climate change is imminent global catastrophe that we need big government to fix' propaganda; the destruction of all things we know and love and trust and believe in about our country; the propaganda against flag and anthem and pride in country; attempted removal of people's right to be effectively armed against all threats including totalitarian tyranny; taking control of all forms of media; all being done by the same coordinated group/cult of global socialists and Marxists who want total control over an effectively enslaved population. It's all about the Great Reset.
This is by far the single most important thing that will consume our lives in the near future of the next year and several years.
As far as I'm concerned nothing matters more now than defeating this new evil menace now and defeating it won't be easy. They have an excellent chance at succeeding in totalitarian takeover ie. basically turning our world into a 'communist' one. They hold all the cards and we only hold a mass of unorganized and mostly unaware people. We must gain mass awareness and organization if we are to stop it.[/QUOTE]
The way to fight back, I agree, is through organization. The best way to do that is through utilizing the channels of the MAGA movement.
Awareness is happening, but moving along at too slow of a pace, and it’s fighting against those who choose to bury their head in the sand, who are getting in the way.
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Originally Posted By Leonydus⏩
Based. The great zoomer hopethis guy sums up tucker carlson in the last month perfectly
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I'm surprised nobody has assassinated members of davis corp yet
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
Alright, so I watched all of that and I don't understand what it has to do with IDPol. I understand that in the first video he'ssayingthat communists started using racial agitation, but I don't get it because identity politics is completely incompatible with Marxism, and the antithesis of class consciousness. Here's where I'm drawing that conclusion from:Most of what Tucker says is correct, but they aren't trying to preserve anything. They're trying[and may very well succeed] to radically alter everything about our world through concerted Marxist scam revolution ...
Communists Using Racial Agitation And Socialism
Step by step how communists take over countries
Marxist communist smear tactics
If you still aren't aware of what's really going on, now is the time to find out and here is the best place to start ...
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1614037321
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1624247201
The riots/BLM/antifa; the US election being intentionally corrupted [ps. I first posted that exact statement about the election in AUGUST!]; the propaganda to divide races and classes; the destruction of private business and other exaggerated responses to COVID-19; the 'climate change is imminent global catastrophe that we need big government to fix' propaganda; the destruction of all things we know and love and trust and believe in about our country; the propaganda against flag and anthem and pride in country; attempted removal of people's right to be effectively armed against all threats including totalitarian tyranny; taking control of all forms of media; all being done by the same coordinated group/cult of global socialists and Marxists who want total control over an effectively enslaved population. It's all about the Great Reset.
This is by far the single most important thing that will consume our lives in the near future of the next year and several years.
As far as I'm concerned nothing matters more now than defeating this new evil menace now and defeating it won't be easy. They have an excellent chance at succeeding in totalitarian takeover ie. basically turning our world into a 'communist' one. They hold all the cards and we only hold a mass of unorganized and mostly unaware people. We must gain mass awareness and organization if we are to stop it.
Communists Using Racial Agitation And Socialism
Step by step how communists take over countries
Marxist communist smear tactics
If you still aren't aware of what's really going on, now is the time to find out and here is the best place to start ...
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1614037321
https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1624247201
The riots/BLM/antifa; the US election being intentionally corrupted [ps. I first posted that exact statement about the election in AUGUST!]; the propaganda to divide races and classes; the destruction of private business and other exaggerated responses to COVID-19; the 'climate change is imminent global catastrophe that we need big government to fix' propaganda; the destruction of all things we know and love and trust and believe in about our country; the propaganda against flag and anthem and pride in country; attempted removal of people's right to be effectively armed against all threats including totalitarian tyranny; taking control of all forms of media; all being done by the same coordinated group/cult of global socialists and Marxists who want total control over an effectively enslaved population. It's all about the Great Reset.
This is by far the single most important thing that will consume our lives in the near future of the next year and several years.
As far as I'm concerned nothing matters more now than defeating this new evil menace now and defeating it won't be easy. They have an excellent chance at succeeding in totalitarian takeover ie. basically turning our world into a 'communist' one. They hold all the cards and we only hold a mass of unorganized and mostly unaware people. We must gain mass awareness and organization if we are to stop it.
The politics of identity cannot point the way towards building the kind of movement which can actually end oppression. In fact, among existing organisations founded on the basis of identity politics, the tendency has been towards fragmentation and disintegration, rather than growth. More often than not among movements organised on the basis of identity politics the enemy includes ‘everyone else’ – perceived as an amorphous, backward blob which makes up the rest of society. Instead of seeing the class struggle as a way to overcome oppression, the working class is seen as a barrier to this process. At its heart, identity politics is a rejection of the notion that the working class can be the agent for social change, and a pessimism about the possibility for significant, never mind revolutionary, social transformation.
https://www.marxists.org/history/eto...-062/smith.htmIdentity politics, the self-centered, upper-middle-class obsession with race, gender and sexual identity, has become one of that party’s principal pillars.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../pers-a30.htmlOne of the most recent variants of identity politics to sweep the radical petty bourgeoisie is the concept of intersectionality. This is not just a minor deviation or confusion by well-meaning young people, but an entirely retrograde, reactionary and counter-revolutionary ideology that we must combat with every means at our disposal.
https://www.marxist.com/marxist-theo...lass-ideas.htmCan you explain it to me like I'm 5? My suspicion is that it's been bastardized, much like radical feminism to modern-day gender ideology and intersectionality, or maybe there's a group of identity obsessed, perpetually online Marxists lurking on trans anime Discord servers or something. But nevertheless, I'm confused so please dumb it down as low as you can go.
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Originally Posted By redraider86⏩
I think the point of all of these "identity groups" is that they're really just the useful idiots and that once their purpose has been served (destruction and overthrow of the system) they'll be the first ones to get squashed as they can then become a threat to the new system and it's leadership.Alright, so I watched all of that and I don't understand what it has to do with IDPol. I understand that in the first video he'ssayingthat communists started using racial agitation, but I don't get it because identity politics is completely incompatible with Marxism, and the antithesis of class consciousness. Here's where I'm drawing that conclusion from:
https://www.marxists.org/history/eto...-062/smith.htm
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../pers-a30.html
https://www.marxist.com/marxist-theo...lass-ideas.htm
Can you explain it to me like I'm 5? My suspicion is that it's been bastardized, much like radical feminism to modern-day gender ideology and intersectionality, or maybe there's a group of identity obsessed, perpetually online Marxists lurking on trans anime Discord servers or something. But nevertheless, I'm confused so please dumb it down as low as you can go.
https://www.marxists.org/history/eto...-062/smith.htm
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/201.../pers-a30.html
https://www.marxist.com/marxist-theo...lass-ideas.htm
Can you explain it to me like I'm 5? My suspicion is that it's been bastardized, much like radical feminism to modern-day gender ideology and intersectionality, or maybe there's a group of identity obsessed, perpetually online Marxists lurking on trans anime Discord servers or something. But nevertheless, I'm confused so please dumb it down as low as you can go.
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