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post 1625859353 12-17-2020, 05:15 PM
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Was Zion/ the "real world" in the matrix also a simulation?

Cba to write a thesis on the matter, but a couple of things seem to indicate that it may be

For example the fact that humans are supposedly used as a battery source, despite the fact that the laws of thermodynamics make this concept simply impossible. Unless of course morpheus is simply extraordinarily uninformed. I believe the original idea was for humans to be connected in some giant neural network which would make sense in the "real world"

Also the fact that neo can use some of his abilities within the "real world", and the very fact that machines would ever allow some humans to escape to begin with and deal with the headache of an uprising, when it would be much simpler to create another simulation in which the escaped humans simply believed they finally had free will and were in the real world
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It was just a step up closer to liberation . Being free from the AI chains but still stuck in the current reality / reincarnation cycle / demiurge trap etc. The machines are a material product of reality even if they develop consciousness. They could theoretically be part of reincarnation cycle too, I think you can be reincarnated as the rock which gets mined and processed to become the computer chip which houses AI entity
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Originally Posted By robertjordan333⏩
It was just a step up closer to liberation . Being free from the AI chains but still stuck in the current reality / reincarnation cycle / demiurge trap etc
Agreed, will rep on recharge if not sent to the ether before I get a chance
post 1625949163 12-18-2020, 02:19 PM
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that whole movie was a metaphor for how a certain "group" of people (shown as the ai / machines) views us (rest of humanity who don't belong to their tribe) and what they have planned for us

this is not some tinfoil ct chit either, the wachofski brothers (then, now they are tranny sisters) know the agenda and disagree with it and they obviously did a good enough job hiding their message because evidently most people are still clueless about the movie's real message to this day - i guess it had some good vfx

you would get into a lot of trouble and called a nutter and wrong if your thesis consisted of the truth
post 1625953223 12-18-2020, 03:03 PM
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The Matrix is just a metaphor for transitioning to whatever gender you want.
Best thread: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=168274783
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post 1625953323 12-18-2020, 03:05 PM
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post 1625953593 12-18-2020, 03:09 PM
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The battery thing was retarded. They could have at least said we were being networked togther and our brains hijacked as some sort of organic supercomputer.
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post 1625953663 12-18-2020, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted By ImpressiveGainz⏩
The Matrix is just a metaphor for transitioning to whatever gender you want.
/thread
/thesis


but yes OP

worried what kind of chit show SJW on steroids crap this 4th installment will have.
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post 1625953853 12-18-2020, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
/thread
/thesis


but yes OP

worried what kind of chit show SJW on steroids crap this 4th installment will have.
Best thread: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=168274783
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post 1625954253 12-18-2020, 03:18 PM
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Humans created the machines/matrix post apocalypse to plug into an ideal version of the previous world past civilizations destroyed. Without war and everyone in a dream like reality the humans are mercifully allowed to exist ignorant of the real world beyond the matrix

Imo it’s mostly a metaphor for the symbiotic relationship humans have with technology, with the subconscious yearning to “unplug” from the singularity because humans aren’t meant to have the proverbial wool pulled over the eyes constantly immersed in a digital reality. We are meant to be one with nature. It’s an existential dilemma in allegorical form
post 1625954383 12-18-2020, 03:20 PM
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It was real, but the machines "allowed" it.
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post 1625955023 12-18-2020, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted By quadfecta⏩
Humans created the machines/matrix post apocalypse to plug into an ideal version of the previous world past civilizations destroyed. Without war and everyone in a dream like reality the humans are mercifully allowed to exist ignorant of the real world beyond the matrix

Imo it’s mostly a metaphor for the symbiotic relationship humans have with technology, with the subconscious yearning to “unplug” from the singularity because humans aren’t meant to have the proverbial wool pulled over the eyes constantly immersed in a digital reality. We are meant to be one with nature. It’s an existential dilemma in allegorical form
I think you went a little to far with that metaphor

I think its more a metaphor for rejecting systems set in place by other men of the past and re establishing a new human existence fighting the machine like existence and stability they created to live in a fake blissful world with no conflict.

AKA the social justice warrior fight of trannys, homosexors, basement dwelling incels, and anyone who doenst identify as cisgender saying the world is going to change from the typical heteronormative state of culture and destroying the comfortable world they have created with its strict binary laws.

I like to ignore the latter metaphor even though knowing the Wachowskis its the most correct one.
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post 1625955543 12-18-2020, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
I think you went a little to far with that metaphor

I think its more a metaphor for rejecting systems set in place by other men of the past and re establishing a new human existence fighting the machine like existence and stability they created to live in a fake blissful world with no conflict.

AKA the social justice warrior fight of trannys, homosexors, basement dwelling incels, and anyone who doenst identify as cisgender saying the world is going to change from the typical heteronormative state of culture and destroying the comfortable world they have created with its strict binary laws.

I like to ignore the latter metaphor even though knowing the Wachowskis its the most correct one.
Very true. Knowing what the wachowskis really wanted (transition) it makes sense the entire thing is a metaphor for their internal identity struggle and breaking norms through the red pill

I’m just keeping it in context with the movie timeline. No purple haired feminist/gays being pushed in any of the three movies as far as I can recall
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Why complicate it? Zion was real the world, in a world where the robots had taken over. You saw how it looked outside, all darkness. Neo and Trinity flew high above the clouds and saw the sun, the blue blue sky.

The matrix was created as a simulation for the people whom where used as energy sources. Created so well that they believed it was real life
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The battery thing is not retarded they explained it the human body created 25k BTU and can be harnessed. Gates already patented wo2020060606 bio chip meant to be used as a crypto coin miner thru our movement
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Originally Posted By Celsus⏩
Why complicate it? Zion was real the world, in a world where the robots had taken over. You saw how it looked outside, all darkness. Neo and Trinity flew high above the clouds and saw the sun, the blue blue sky.

The matrix was created as a simulation for the people whom where used as energy sources. Created so well that they believed it was real life
But he was reincarnated and was able to manipulate the machines. Those go beyond the realm of human capabilities.

It is far more plausible that the machines created a simulation program for deviant reactions to the machines inserted into humans because as much as humans are predictable theres extreme variables to account for. So this simulation of the matrix movies was a simulation created by the machines to record what the humans would do in such an instance where a revolution happens of the humans vs. the machines.

Not to mention the source knew all about this and allowed things to happen all the way to the very end. Re watch the scene where Neo goes into the source in the hidden office building the key master lets him into. You can tell in that scene that the source is still in control but recording the responses of Neo.
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Originally Posted By Jestbrah⏩
But he was reincarnated and was able to manipulate the machines. Those go beyond the realm of human capabilities.

It is far more plausible that the machines created a simulation program for deviant reactions to the machines inserted into humans because as much as humans are predictable theres extreme variables to account for. So this simulation of the matrix movies was a simulation created by the machines to record what the humans would do in such an instance where a revolution happens of the humans vs. the machines.

Not to mention the source knew all about this and allowed things to happen all the way to the very end. Re watch the scene where Neo goes into the source in the hidden office building the key master lets him into. You can tell in that scene that the source is still in control but recording the responses of Neo.
I had not heard of the Matrix-within-a-Matrix theory before. It's interesting, but don't you find my holes in that theory? Why would the machines work with Neo to fight Smith to the point where they feared him so much, when even the real world was a simulation?

What about The Oracles talk with The Architect, where he says she played a dangerous game by breaking the rules? What would such statement even mean if everything there is a simulation as well?
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No. Neo had The Source (Code) within him, so he could now control machines in the real world.

If anything, that and how Smith went into a human body showed how closely machine and man had converged.
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Originally Posted By Celsus⏩
I had not heard of the Matrix-within-a-Matrix theory before. It's interesting, but don't you find my holes in that theory? Why would the machines work with Neo to fight Smith to the point where they feared him so much, when even the real world was a simulation?

What about The Oracles talk with The Architect, where he says she played a dangerous game by breaking the rules? What would such statement even mean if everything there is a simulation as well?
because the machines dont have a perfectly functioning system and there may always be rogue programs and they had to account for that variable. Or the writers just wanted to add in other metaphors to the movie to keep it interesting.
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
No. Neo had The Source (Code) within him, so he could now control machines in the real world.

If anything, that and how Smith went into a human body showed how closely machine and man had converged.
Right, so he was an experiment for the machines to attempt in merging with the humans, we can all agree on that

The Oracle broke the rules, Smith popped up, and Neo changed his destiny
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It's a Christian religious metaphor.
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Originally Posted By saltypits⏩
No. Neo had The Source (Code) within him, so he could now control machines in the real world.

If anything, that and how Smith went into a human body showed how closely machine and man had converged.
Still doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, that's like being able to inject source code from any program currently available to us in our "reality", it would however make sense in a simulated reality also running as per the coded instructions
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