EDIT - No Cliffs, read in full and gain wisdom.... or ignore it if you wish....

You know, boyos, for the longest time I subscribed to Redpill and identified myself as MGTOW-Lite.

However, I now have the opinion that Redpill and MGTOW are becoming a liability to the Manosphere. Not necessarily because the original message isn't correct, but because it's been hijacked, corrupted and commercialized by these dating coaches and life coaches who've decided to monetize redpill.

Such is the case when normies infiltrate subcultures and turns it mainstream. The message gets lost, mainstream culture adopts the subculture's jargon without carrying over the original meaning, because the jargon has to be watered-down and diluted to appeal to a mass audience. This means the core message becomes distorted.

A few days ago IncelTV released a video in which he expresses concern that now normies are trying to hijack Blackpill because it's the edgy new internet subculture.

He makes good arguments for his case. For example, terms like "Chad" "looksmaxxing" "thugmaxxing" "betabuxxing" "rope" "cope" "Stacy" "Becky" "Tyrone" are now being used by normies in mainstream culture.

Will the Blackpill become a bastardized, commercialized shadow of its former self? IncelTV thinks it possible and he makes the case that certain aspects of Blackpill/Incel culture will be adopted by mainstream normies.

However, I would have to disagree because the Blackpill is a slippery slope, it's not possible to pick and choose certain aspects while disregarding the others.

Continued below.....

Let's take for example one of the Blackpill pillars: Lo0kism

Dating and Life coaches have finally admitted that the Blackpill is correct in that looks absolutely matter, and they've adjusted their coaching hustle to accommodate for the reality of Lo0kism.

However, by accepting that L0okism is true, then by proxy they've admitted that Genetic Determinism is true, which also by proxy means that racial preference is also true as certain phenotypes are deemed more desirable than others.

A man's height, his facial structure, his hair, his body composition (muscle and fat storage) are all determined by genetics and there really isn't much that a man can do to change that.

How does a Dating or Life coach sell coaching services when Genetic Determinism will account for 70% of all social interactions? Can a coach market himself with the following slogan:

"Yes, Genetic Determinism will account for 70% of all interactions, but buy my coaching services and I'll teach you how to master the remaining 30%"

The answer is of course NO. No one is going to pay money to hear that 70% of their life is based on genetic factors.

In my opinion, this means that the Blackpill cannot be commercialized either in part or as a whole because to accept one aspect of Blackpill will open the floodgates to all the remaining aspects of Blackpill - and quite frankly the Blackpill is just too BRUTAL for normies to embrace.

Very few people have the stomach for brutal truth; most would rather cling to cope.

Okay, so now we've established that the Blackpill cannot truly be commercialized, so let's segue into the next point I'd like to make: The Blackpill is the future of the Manosphere. Why?

* A dude that's only 5'6" cannot realistically hope to be an NBA player.
* A guy who is 5'6", bald, receding chin, weak jaw cannot possibly delude himself into thinking that "Game" will be an equalizer - it won't.
* A man must embrace that a woman can never truly love a man, she only wants what a man can offer. As soon as Chad loses his looks, she's gone.
* A man must embrace that 70% of his life is outside of his control

This can be a tremendous positive as it frees a man from the burden of believing every misfortune in his life is entirely his fault - it's not.

It also frees a man from pursuing endeavors which would ultimately yield no return (ex: a 5'6" dude hoping to be an NBA player).

And it'll also free a man from basing his entire life and his entire sense of worth on female attention.

He can focus his attention towards endeavors that would yield a positive return.

"A few millimeters of facial bone will trump years of hard work in the gym..."
-IncelTV

"Your face is your limiting factor."
-FaceAndLMS

true.I used to read PUA, look ism, slut hate, and incel forums a few years ago. the lingo made the community special as normies could never decode what we were saying. now all the niche memes are being used by even chads and women on Instagram

not even the intended meaning either. even chads are calling themselves incels

it’s over

Swindlers corrupt society for everyone else. What else is new?

Incel TV isn’t an incel. the real incels are from r/incels before it was banned

When Elon Musk tweets "Take the Redpill" and Ivanka responds "Taken", that's when you know Redpill has gone mainstream.....

everything is mainstream now

before 2012, people weren't as aware

everyone knows about mewing, *******, etc and it will be like that for the future

theres girls out there that test if there little brothers are leaning "alt-right" on tiktok

I’ve been here since look ism, pua hate, slut hate. Incel TV is watered down blackpill. he’s not even an incel you dumb kunt

I know the OGs. true forced loneliness etc.

The whole Manosphere has also been invaded by all the Incels, just like Misc has.

A lot of the older MGTOW types don't realize how their grumpy, bitter, cynical attitude paradoxically led them to being cheated on or divorced in the first place.

Do you think this happened around 2012 or mid 2015?

Look ism doesn’t exist. A man’s physical attributes are only 10% of the package

I don't get why the red pill black pill guys make this stuff so complicated.

Realize your league. Stay in your league.

All of the below average looking dudes trying to make a statement about why hot chicks won't even acknowledge them is pathetic. It's always been that way.

low IQ post

all that you learned about women is from movies and TV shows. lmaoo at leagues. all women want chads. I’ve been rejected by crackheads and trannys. 50+ year old women

use tinder as an ugly women for 1 hour and you’ll learn everything

No tf it’s a thing that must be addressed. It’s fking stupid how small pretty boy twinks seem to attract so many women while guys who actually work out and put in the time/dedication to training get overlooked.

Negged

Hate to bring inconvenient truth, but this is not the 1950s.

Women don't need men for financial support, women are out-pacing men in college graduation and filling up the ranks of corporate America. Or they can make millions of $$$ just selling their panties or creating an OnlyFans.

Women also dont need men for protection, gynocentric society has made women a protected class.

Physical strength also has little value to women and to society. If it did, then we would expect to see powerlifters and bodybuilders being worshipped by women... but they're not. Only men follow bodybuilding and powerlifting.

Height and a good physique matters only in the sense that it's an indicator of good genetics, not because people care how much the dude benchs.

The sad reality is that as Western civilization becomes more technology-driven, the average man with subpar physical appearance and no technical skills or social connections won't have much of a place in society.

Everything you just said is wrong. Facial aesthetics didn’t matter 60 years ago and it doesn’t matter today. We are still the same human beings as our ancestors

Everyone needs checked.

If people could stay in their lane, we would not see need most of the b.s. political battles we see.

trp was invaded by charlatans looking for you to drop 500 bucks on their game courses lmao.




imagine getting your advice from this

Then I will wait for you to prove me wrong by posting up a pic of you with a gorgeous 10/10 super model.

At 6'3" 270lbs, you meet the physical requirements. Please prove to us all that face is irrelevant.

I’m entitled to the same attention and benefits a facially aesthetic chad may get from women. They need to get their head out their a** and look at us for who we are as a person rather than some trophy. My daily anger is only greater fueled when I see my lazy co worker who’s a 6’0 near-manlet weighing only 175lbs getting praised other female workers and promoted early simply because he has a pretty face.

In actually he has the personality of a rock. Is lazy af and constantly f*** up yet nobody gives a chit

And those “chads” aren’t because they get all the attention?

use to be in this dating forum /w him.

swindler grifter annoying *******

They need to connect black pill with race and normies will fuk off. But then again, the more awareness the better

Such fking bs

My real world experience says otherwise. Dating experience. Witnessing friends' dating experience. Seeing couples every day that counter what you are saying. Tinder is a horrible thing to base leagues and matchmaking on. Every time I am in public I see plenty of average looking girls with average looking guys. And no they're not all just brothers and sisters.

The original principle has been changed way too much, but if you look at the basic teaching, it is still sound. Improve yourself. Work out. Don't live your life solely based on getting women and getting laid. Make yourself into a better man and learn that what society tells you about relationships is mostly BS.

If you simply go through the reading list that's suggested and apply some of it you'll be much better off. Books like No More Mister Nice Guy literally changed my approach to life.

Something changed in 2012

None of this makes sense

Its all about Degeneratemaxxing now