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Thread: A lot of disinformation on covid on here

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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Hmm. Well it just so happens I DO have a molecular biology background. I actually did very well in biochemistry. It does help, buddy.
Excellent. I used to be a clinical dietician and have a general biology degree as well. It certainly seems Quercetin is as good of a zinc ionophore as HCQ, minus the possible side effects. Quercetin has other mechanisms at work as well. So using it + zinc as a very early intervention certainly has merit with Covid and other viruses. It's unfortunate that virtually all HCQ studies either didn't also supplement zinc and/or only conducted studies in hospitalized patients, which is a guaranteed failure, as the viral load has already reached its peak or near peak in hospitalized patients, and it is too late to be stopped by HCQ + zinc. People setting up such studies have to know this, so why conduct such studies at all? Seems a bit like putting a seat belt on after the accident has happened.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
No. I'm presenting peer reviewed scientific research and useful resources. Again, if you dispute that their work is valid, you can publish your findings.

The FDA has reviewed the studies and deemed the vaccine to be safe. There is good scientific evidence that is safe. There are good theoretical reasons to believe it is safe as well.
cool attempt to completely avoid the point I am making.

its wild that you would respond in such a way through text where it is easily identifiable. This type of speak works in the heat of the moment in person but its easily identifiable in typing.

strange you let your arrogance run wild like that.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I mean if your independent research is valid, you should have no trouble getting it published. I am sure everyone will be excited to see your result and your correction could prove valuable for humanity. So please submit your paper, and do post the reply for us all to read here. I eagerly await the result. Best of luck!
No thanks, I am PI on several current studies
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Hey man cool resource and go fuk yourself!

This thread is about covid 19 specifically. Thanks.
U mad?

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/resizer...OEHZXRDRI.aspx
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
Excellent. I used to be a clinical dietician and have a general biology degree as well. It certainly seems Quercetin is as good of a zinc ionophore as HCQ, minus the possible side effects. Quercetin has other mechanisms at work as well. So using it + zinc as a very early intervention certainly has merit with Covid and other viruses. It's unfortunate that virtually all HCQ studies either didn't also supplement zinc and/or only conducted studies in hospitalized patients, which is a guaranteed failure, as the viral load has already reached its peak or near peak in hospitalized patients, and it is too late to be stopped by HCQ + zinc. People setting up such studies have to know this, so why conduct such studies at all? Seems a bit like putting a seat belt on after the accident has happened.
Yeah HCQ has been shown to be ineffective in a randomized controlled trial. Anyway, some of the other things, such as quercetin, zinc, and vitamin D are discussed in this video.

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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
lmao at this tard. total deaths are the same for 2020. they test dead bodies from heart attacks and cancer for covid and if it was positive call it a covid death. they use ultra sensative tests, they use a higher amplification cycle than neccesary to intentionally pump up the numbers. someone could get a positive on cycle 40, not even be contagious and for all intents and purposes have been done with covid, then drop dead of a heart attack and that is called a covid death.

You realize if we made a 40 amp cycle PCR test for the seasonal flu and tested every dead body for it, we could get 300k deaths a year from the flu, then if we talk about it on the media 24/7 we could cause the same mass hysteria.

these people play to the narcissistic personalities of people like you, they tell you if you trust in us and believe in us then you are smart, you eat that chit up. then you go online and do their dirty work for them and spread the propaganda. youre a useful idiot to them
It could be that there is some overcounting, e.g. someone with a lot of underlying conditions dies in 2020 and would have died anyway, yet gets registered as a "covid death". The opposite is also true - many people who get covid and die from it don't get registered as a "covid death" because they are never tested.

We can test whether overcounting or undercounting of deaths are the bigger problem by comparing excess mortality data (the number of deaths that happened in 2020 compared to a "normal" year) to counted covid deaths. If excess mortality is higher than the number of counted covid deaths, undercounting is the bigger issue. If excess mortality is lower, overcounting is the bigger issue.

In such analyses we consistently see that the number of excess deaths is substantially higher than the number of reported covid deaths (e.g.https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm), suggesting that undercounting is the more important problem. We see this empirical pattern everywhere, not just in the US.
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don't worry, if you post data analysis in here wincel will hit you with

Thats not how statistics work!!!!

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Publish your findings!!!!

WINCEL hates science

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There is an 84% chance of having at least 1 COVID related death in the Pfizer placebo cohort,yet there were NONE
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Originally Posted By EiFit91⏩
It could be that there is some overcounting, e.g. someone with a lot of underlying conditions dies in 2020 and would have died anyway, yet gets registered as a "covid death". The opposite is also true - many people who get covid and die from it don't get registered as a "covid death" because they are never tested.

We can test whether overcounting or undercounting of deaths are the bigger problem by comparing excess mortality data (the number of deaths that happened in 2020 compared to a "normal" year) to counted covid deaths. If excess mortality is higher than the number of counted covid deaths, undercounting is the bigger issue. If excess mortality is lower, overcounting is the bigger issue.

In such analyses we consistently see that the number of excess deaths is substantially higher than the number of reported covid deaths (e.g.https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm), suggesting that undercounting is the more important problem. We see this empirical pattern everywhere, not just in the US.
Excellent post, and yes. Most experts believe the count is UNDER rather than overcounted.
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Originally Posted By EiFit91⏩
It could be that there is some overcounting, e.g. someone with a lot of underlying conditions dies in 2020 and would have died anyway, yet gets registered as a "covid death". The opposite is also true - many people who get covid and die from it don't get registered as a "covid death" because they are never tested.

We can test whether overcounting or undercounting of deaths are the bigger problem by comparing excess mortality data (the number of deaths that happened in 2020 compared to a "normal" year) to counted covid deaths. If excess mortality is higher than the number of counted covid deaths, undercounting is the bigger issue. If excess mortality is lower, overcounting is the bigger issue.

In such analyses we consistently see that the number of excess deaths is substantially higher than the number of reported covid deaths (e.g.https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6942e2.htm), suggesting that undercounting is the more important problem. We see this empirical pattern everywhere, not just in the US.
yet in PFIZER's carefully controlled, double-blind placebo controlled, triple blinded, placebo placebo control trial, there were no COVID deaths in a placebo group of 20,000 people and NO ALLERGIC REACTIONS

weak ass science
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Originally Posted By StyleGent⏩
yet in PFIZER's carefully controlled, double-blind placebo controlled, triple blinded, placebo placebo control trial, there were no COVID deaths in a placebo group of 20,000 people and NO ALLERGIC REACTIONS

weak ass science
1) That's a good thing.
2) There were no deaths because any severe cases would have been detected and treated. We know, for example, that ventilators can help save people.
3) Why would you expect a lot of allergic reactions?
4) You never got back to me on my license plate question, which illustrates your fallacy explicitly.
5) If you have novel research, please publish it. Until then, it's not really very credible. Good luck!
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Excellent post, and yes. Most experts believe the count is UNDER rather than overcounted.
The experts also said you shouldn’t be wearing a mask back in March.

They also said you should be wearing goggles. If you don’t wear goggles please explain why. Because not doing so you could be contributing to the spread.
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
The experts also said you shouldn’t be wearing a mask back in March.

They also said you should be wearing goggles. If you don’t wear goggles please explain why. Because not doing so you could be contributing to the spread.
I wear a face shield, which serves the same purpose. There are studies showing masks are helpful.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I wear a face shield, which serves the same purpose. There are studies showing masks are helpful.
You should be wearing an N95 along with medical grade goggles. I can’t believe I have to tell you this. That is unless you enjoy contributing to the spread
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Originally Posted By SmashinYoungVag⏩
You should be wearing an N95 along with medical grade goggles. I can’t believe I have to tell you this. That is unless you enjoy contributing to the spread
Actually, they recommend saving protective equipment for medical professionals who certainly need it most.
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Originally Posted By StyleGent⏩
yet in PFIZER's carefully controlled, double-blind placebo controlled, triple blinded, placebo placebo control trial, there were no COVID deaths in a placebo group of 20,000 people and NO ALLERGIC REACTIONS

weak ass science
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...34577?query=RP

Is it this study?

It says that "8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose were observed among vaccine recipients and 162 among placebo recipients"

So 162 placebo recipients were infected after at least 7 days in a study that had a follow-up up to 2 months until the study was terminated. So 0 of 162 placebo recipients had died by the time the study was terminated. That is not the same thing as what you write above.

Deaths lag behind infections, and the infection fatality rate seems to be somewhere between 0.5% and 1%. So I would expect about one death in that sample if you had continued the study for a longer period of time, but I don't see how any of this contradicts my post.
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I live and work in NYC, haven't worn a mask since April. I know several co-workers that got sick and recovered in less time than a typical flu or cold. The problem is that it is 2020 and most kids are raised to be afraid of their own shadow so what do u expect. Honestly at least in NY I have been able to eat inside without a mask, I take the train without a mask, for Christmas and Thanksgiving our full families got together, no masks, no issues. It's one of those things where some folks allow fear to control them, others do whatever the fuk they want and realize that nothing has changed other than fascist policies from small dinked authorities.
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Originally Posted By optimus1⏩
I live and work in NYC, haven't worn a mask since April. I know several co-workers that got sick and recovered in less time than a typical flu or cold. The problem is that it is 2020 and most kids are raised to be afraid of their own shadow so what do u expect. Honestly at least in NY I have been able to eat inside without a mask, I take the train without a mask, for Christmas and Thanksgiving our full families got together, no masks, no issues. It's one of those things where some folks allow fear to control them, others do whatever the fuk they want and realize that nothing has changed other than fascist policies from small dinked authorities.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. This thread is about information on covid so feel free to fist yourself until your ass falls out you sack of dogchit.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Yeah HCQ has been shown to be ineffective in a randomized controlled trial. Anyway, some of the other things, such as quercetin, zinc, and vitamin D are discussed in this video.

Perhaps others will find that helpful. I'm already aware. I've listened to hours of lectures on Vitamin D, though it's been awhile. There's a lot more than what's covered in that video. Vitamin D I stocked up on in February. It's just now that mainstream media seems to be asking questions about it. It's helpful for all respiratory illnesses because it's an immune modulator working at both the genetic and overall cytoplasmic level. It helps with the effects of pneumonia, which is what actually ultimately kills a lot of Covid and regular flu patients. Flu and Covid open the window for the pneumonia infection.
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
Perhaps others will find that helpful. I'm already aware. I've listened to hours of lectures on Vitamin D, though it's been awhile. There's a lot more than what's covered in that video. Vitamin D I stocked up on in February. It's just now that mainstream media seems to be asking questions about it. It's helpful for all respiratory illnesses because it's an immune modulator working at both the genetic and overall cytoplasmic level. It helps with the effects of pneumonia, which is what actually ultimately kills a lot of Covid and regular flu patients. Flu and Covid open the window for the pneumonia infection.
Thanks for sharing.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I wear a face shield, which serves the same purpose. There are studies showing masks are helpful.
Nope. back in May of 2020 the CDC released the results of 14 individual studies conducted by various universities and medical institutions on the effectiveness of the mask in preventing the spread or preventing contracting the influenza virus, which is 220 nm's on average. The results were all the same. Neither did the mask slow down or prevent the spread of the virus nor did it prevent or slow down the infection rate of the virus. So if the masks do nothing for the influenza virus why would it be effective against a much smaller virus?

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...260v1.full.pdf

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....30.20047217v2
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
I did well in statistics. I also have a rigorous understanding of probability and measure theory. Anyway, this thread isn't about me and none of this is my opinion. I have posted credible sources. If you dispute the science, feel free to take it up with them. Thanks.
The thing is, you haven't posted any "science" for us to evaluate the long-term effects because there obviously is none. Yes, theoretically we should be fine. But not only have there been no long term studies on these vaccines, there have been no long term or widespread clinical trials re mRNA tech.

I am not criticizing anyone for choosing to take the vaccine. Each person should weigh the short-term risks of catching COVID vs any long-term unknown effects of the vaccine (because we are relatively confident there are no real short-term risks) and make the decision that best fits their risk profile.

But to say you are "presenting the science" and what you come in and present are actually "theories" is intellectually dishonest and dangerous. As I said before, you call dogma science and there is really not much to separate you from some religious nut telling ppl to accept jesus or burn in hell. You obviously don't believe this, but the religious zealots also don't believe they are zealots or dogmatic -- another reason why you are merely different sides of the same coin.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Nope. back in May of 2020 the CDC released the results of 14 individual studies conducted by various universities and medical institutions on the effectiveness of the mask in preventing the spread or preventing contracting the influenza virus, which is 220 nm's on average. The results were all the same. Neither did the mask slow down or prevent the spread of the virus nor did it prevent or slow down the infection rate of the virus. So if the masks do nothing for the influenza virus why would it be effective against a much smaller virus?

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...260v1.full.pdf

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....30.20047217v2
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...142-9/fulltext

As to your 3rd source, read their letter to the editor warning not to misinterpret their words as the right wing media think tank you read from instructed you to.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2020836

Ignoring everything else because archaic policy or not peer reviewed.

If you think masks are not helpful or somehow harmful, feel free to publish your findings.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Excellent post, and yes. Most experts believe the count is UNDER rather than overcounted.
No. They don't. They did back in the spring. Not the last 6 months. Peddle the fear porn elsewhere.
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Originally Posted By mulletwarrior⏩
The thing is, you haven't posted any "science" for us to evaluate the long-term effects because there obviously is none. Yes, theoretically we should be fine. But not only have there been no long term studies on these vaccines, there have been no long term or widespread clinical trials re mRNA tech.

I am not criticizing anyone for choosing to take the vaccine. Each person should weigh the short-term risks of catching COVID vs any long-term unknown effects of the vaccine (because we are relatively confident there are no real short-term risks) and make the decision that best fits their risk profile.

But to say you are "presenting the science" and what you come in and present are actually "theories" is intellectually dishonest and dangerous. As I said before, you call dogma science and there is really not much to separate you from some religious nut telling ppl to accept jesus or burn in hell. You obviously don't believe this, but the religious zealots also don't believe they are zealots or dogmatic -- another reason why you are merely different sides of the same coin.
So uhh if you think we should wait 20 years to see if the vaccine works, that's great. Please write the CDC and inform them of your advice. The rest of us will be taking the vaccine. And if you're military, law enforcement, or an essential worker, you'll be taking it as well. Sorry bud.

No no no. You have me all wrong. I absolutely do believe people like you should burn. Glad I cleared that up.
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20⏩
No. They don't. They did back in the spring. Not the last 6 months. Peddle the fear porn elsewhere.
Hey that's a nice opinion and everything and go fuk yourself but it's not true and go fuk yourself.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...142-9/fulltext

As to your 3rd source, read their letter to the editor warning not to misinterpret their words as the right wing media think tank you read from instructed you to.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2020836

Ignoring everything else because archaic policy or not peer reviewed.

If you think masks are not helpful or somehow harmful, feel free to publish your findings.
From the CDC link..

“In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25)”

Actually., it would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective dose is smaller than one aerosol particle.

And you never answered the question..if the masks do nothing for the influenza virus why would it be effective against a much smaller virus?
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Originally Posted By EiFit91⏩
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...34577?query=RP

Is it this study?

It says that "8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose were observed among vaccine recipients and 162 among placebo recipients"

So 162 placebo recipients were infected after at least 7 days in a study that had a follow-up up to 2 months until the study was terminated. So 0 of 162 placebo recipients had died by the time the study was terminated. That is not the same thing as what you write above.

Deaths lag behind infections, and the infection fatality rate seems to be somewhere between 0.5% and 1%. So I would expect about one death in that sample if you had continued the study for a longer period of time, but I don't see how any of this contradicts my post.
Dude, read the FDA report. Its all there, NO that is not the study
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Originally Posted By Paul
From the CDC link..

“In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25)”

Actually., it would be a paradox if masks and respirators worked, given what we know about viral respiratory diseases: The main transmission path is long-residence-time aerosol particles (< 2.5 μm), which are too fine to be blocked, and the minimum-infective dose is smaller than one aerosol particle.
And you never answered the question..if the masks do nothing for the influenza virus why would it be effective against a much smaller virus?
Covid is primarily transmitted via respiratory droplets. The size of the viral particles is irrelevant. People asked this question. It was answered. You should go fuk yourself. Hard.
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Originally Posted By EiFit91⏩
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...34577?query=RP

Is it this study?

It says that "8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose were observed among vaccine recipients and 162 among placebo recipients"

So 162 placebo recipients were infected after at least 7 days in a study that had a follow-up up to 2 months until the study was terminated. So 0 of 162 placebo recipients had died by the time the study was terminated. That is not the same thing as what you write above.

Deaths lag behind infections, and the infection fatality rate seems to be somewhere between 0.5% and 1%. So I would expect about one death in that sample if you had continued the study for a longer period of time, but I don't see how any of this contradicts my post.
In a sample COHORT equal to PFIZERS, which was weak as ****, there would be an 84% chance of having at least 1 COVID related death
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Originally Posted By StyleGent⏩
In a sample COHORT equal to PFIZERS, which was weak as ****, there would be an 84% chance of having at least 1 COVID related death
What are the chances of you having your license plate?
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