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post 1627440463 01-04-2021, 08:56 AM
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Why are you poor when you could be rich as an “account manager”?(salesperson)

I know about 6 people who are in different areas of sales that all make over $100k with very little effort.

-Some over $200k
-Some work remote
-Some set their own hours
-They dont work overtime or weekends and never had to
-None wasted money on a degree
-All of them are average or below average intelligence (including social intelligence)
-None of them are particularly special
-None had experience, just started working at the company and went into the sales when a position opened

So whats your excuse for being poor when all these sales jobs are out there giving away money disproportionately to work performed?
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I think you are making it sound a tad bit easier than it actually is. There is nothing in your post that is insanely inaccurate however what you are leaving out is that most in the position of making good money while not having to work crazy hours have already established a book of clientele in a city. Starting from the ground up, its not like this.
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Cold sales is one of the most ruthless cut throat types of jobs out there. I did it for 6 months like a decade ago. All the 'richest' ones were the absolute worst people.
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Just for example, I have worked in a few different classes of trade in account management/inside sales and I am now a director over a sales team. Fortunately, I never had to build a book of business or cold call. I was assigned a territory of previous existing customers who already buy and sell my product. I may not really set my own hours. As long as I get my business done in the 6-5 window it is pretty much good to go. I work 7-330 most days. Also, fortunately for me and the jobs, I have taken is that very little of my yearly wage is based on incentives, bonuses, or commissions. Aside for the last job I had, then I had a decent base wage and 5% commission on the product I sold.
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Its not as easy as you pretend to be that successful in sales. You have to have the personality for it.
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its definitely not as easy as OP makes it seem - but it is an insanely rewarding career path if you're willing to put in the work.

I have been in sales for the past 10 years since I was in high school. started in financing, then copiers (this was the hardest), then IT VAR, now working for a technology integrator as a key account executive.

Fortunate or unfortunately, my specialty is penetrating new markets and building from scratch. You have to be willing to get your teeth kicked in for months and year but when you start getting a few wins and things start really snowballing is when it gets fun.

I highly recommend the career for anyone that is a good worker, decent personality and willing to learn.
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Originally Posted By guest89⏩
Its not as easy as you pretend to be that successful in sales. You have to have the personality for it.
This — although I disagree about personality (ded fkn Srs)



I was not an extrovert growing up, did not have the “gift of gab” etc


There are many many different ways to be successful in sales
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Originally Posted By RealLifeAlpha⏩
This — although I disagree about personality (ded fkn Srs)



I was not an extrovert growing up, did not have the “gift of gab” etc


There are many many different ways to be successful in sales
agree. I've worked with all sorts of personality types over the years. What's most important is recognizing your strengths and playing to them. Also recognizing what kind of personality you are selling to and shifting to hit on what's important to them. If you can do that - your own personality basically means fuk all.
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Originally Posted By Witherman⏩
agree. I've worked with all sorts of personality types over the years. What's most important is recognizing your strengths and playing to them. Also recognizing what kind of personality you are selling to and shifting to hit on what's important to them. If you can do that - your own personality basically means fuk all.
What you are describing is part of your personality. Being aware of what other people care about and finding ways to help them, vs just pitching BS aimlessly because you have a quota to fill.
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Originally Posted By donblaximus⏩
What you are describing is part of your personality. Being aware of what other people care about and finding ways to help them, vs just pitching BS aimlessly because you have a quota to fill.
sort of splitting hairs in my opinion. When people talk about having the right “personality” for sales, they’re usually referring to aggressive, confident, persistent, extroverted, talkative etc


(Which has been proven to be false)
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Originally Posted By Witherman⏩
its definitely not as easy as OP makes it seem - but it is an insanely rewarding career path if you're willing to put in the work.

I have been in sales for the past 10 years since I was in high school. started in financing, then copiers (this was the hardest), then IT VAR, now working for a technology integrator as a key account executive.

Fortunate or unfortunately, my specialty is penetrating new markets and building from scratch. You have to be willing to get your teeth kicked in for months and year but when you start getting a few wins and things start really snowballing is when it gets fun.

I highly recommend the career for anyone that is a good worker, decent personality and willing to learn.
Everyone thinks their job is stressful and challenging until they do a job that is more stressful/challenging.

If you compared all other jobs at the income of the sales people I know, all of those jobs would require more out of you in most likely all categories.

For instance, getting yelled at a couple times a week by a costumer is significantly less demanding than the requirements of law school or nursing school etc.
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Lmao sales is easy for maybe 1% of the population. The other 9% is good at it, but have to bust their angus. The other 90% would fail in the first month once they got rejected 10x in a row.
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Originally Posted By drFEEL⏩
Everyone thinks their job is stressful and challenging until they do a job that is more stressful/challenging.

If you compared all other jobs at the income of the sales people I know, all of those jobs would require more out of you in most likely all categories.

For instance, getting yelled at a couple times a week by a costumer is significantly less demanding than the requirements of law school or nursing school etc.
Not in the industry I work in lol. Chit pay for what seems like never-ending hours.

Also, LOL @ being a salesman. Literally no kid ever grew up saying they wanted to be one.
Your schtick sucks and it screams insecurity.
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Originally Posted By drFEEL⏩
Everyone thinks their job is stressful and challenging until they do a job that is more stressful/challenging.

If you compared all other jobs at the income of the sales people I know, all of those jobs would require more out of you in most likely all categories.

For instance, getting yelled at a couple times a week by a costumer is significantly less demanding than the requirements of law school or nursing school etc.
I don't know what salespeople you know - but my job is not "getting yelled at by a customer a couple times a week". I would happily put a few of the projects I have worked on in the past up against any lawyer or nursing school student and compare mental fortitude it took to complete.
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Also, LOL @ being a salesman. Literally no kid ever grew up saying they wanted to be one.
I did - but its in my blood. Mom and dad were both in sales - I grew up knowing what my career path was going to be and made my choices in school, etc accordingly.
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Account manager is just a fancy way of saying Corporate Customer Service Rep.
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Originally Posted By TrancE_AddicT⏩
Account manager is just a fancy way of saying Corporate Customer Service Rep.
Except you know the massive differences in pay between a csr and account manager

Csrs field calls from established clients on trivial matters that processes are in place to deal with

There is a reason customer service reps at my old firm made 45k/year and “account managers” or equivalent of made an average of 400k with some doing up to 1.5 million

Whenever a client used to call in with some administrative questions I’d simply conference the csr into the call and let them deal with it

Account managers drive business, look for ways to increase profitability with current client base while csrs take care of the paper work

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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
Except you know the massive differences in pay between a csr and account manager

Csrs field calls from established clients on trivial matters that processes are in place to deal with

There is a reason customer service reps at my old firm made 45k/year and “account managers” or equivalent of made an average of 400k with some doing up to 1.5 million

Whenever a client used to call in with some administrative questions I’d simply conference the csr into the call and let them deal with it

Account managers drive business, look for ways to increase profitability with current client base while csrs take care of the paper work

Cheers
Sure there are differences in pay but not many would rake in that kind of money. Not saying there is no potential for it.

Product Analysts/Managers/VP drive the business, I am glad there is now distinction between the two roles. Since account managers are terrible to deal with on technical topics.
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Originally Posted By TrancE_AddicT⏩
Sure there are differences in pay but not many would rake in that kind of money. Not saying there is no potential for it.

Product Analysts/Managers/VP drive the business, I am glad there is now distinction between the two roles. Since account managers are terrible to deal with on technical topics.
I worked in asset management and our product managers would sit around and send us spreadsheets on performance and maybe talk to clients on a on off when they had a more technical question or we just wanted to give the perception we were rolling out the red carpet by giving them access to a product manager

Our analysts, portfolio managers etc were too busy picking stocks to deal with growing the business

Sales drives the business when analysts, product managers are tied up doing their jobs. Do you really want to take a product manager out of the office and onto the road to deal with prospects? Of course sales people wouldn’t have jobs without these people

Everyone has a role
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
I worked in asset management and our product managers would sit around and send us spreadsheets on performance and maybe talk to clients on a on off when they had a more technical question or we just wanted to give the perception we were rolling out the red carpet by giving them access to a product manager

Our analysts, portfolio managers etc were too busy picking stocks to deal with growing the business

Sales drives the business when analysts, product managers are tied up doing their jobs. Do you really want to take a product manager out of the office and onto the road to deal with prospects? Of course sales people wouldn’t have jobs without these people

Everyone has a role
Exactly my point that's why I said I am glad there is distinction between the two roles. Because a few years before they usually took on two roles that are separated now-a-days. At least that has been my experience working in software.

Not necessarily knocking down the role. My previous employer closed up because the product couldn't penetrate the market since it was very innovative.

It's a team effort between all departments.
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Originally Posted By TrancE_AddicT⏩
Exactly my point that's why I said I am glad there is distinction between the two roles. Because a few years before they usually took on two roles that are separated now-a-days. At least that has been my experience working in software.

Not necessarily knocking down the role. My previous employer closed up because the product was too hard to penetrate the market since it was very innovative.

It's a team effort between all departments.
Yeah man - a lot of sales guys are quite technical though and know their chit then again a lot of sales guys are a walking Amex with access to a private box at an arena for pro sports games
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Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
Yeah man - a lot of sales guys are quite technical though and know their chit then again a lot of sales guys are a walking Amex with access to a private box at an arena for pro sports games
Definitely I get irritated when I have dealt with customers on solving issues. Don't have the patience for that.
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Originally Posted By Witherman⏩
I don't know what salespeople you know - but my job is not "getting yelled at by a customer a couple times a week". I would happily put a few of the projects I have worked on in the past up against any lawyer or nursing school student and compare mental fortitude it took to complete.



I did - but its in my blood. Mom and dad were both in sales - I grew up knowing what my career path was going to be and made my choices in school, etc accordingly.
ya bra. truck drivers and fast food workers say the same thing. but when i compare, there really is no comparison. just perception.
Originally Posted By TrancE_AddicT⏩
Account manager is just a fancy way of saying Corporate Customer Service Rep.
fancy way of making $500k from a damn headset and laptop. ridiculous.
Originally Posted By notbadnotbrad⏩
Except you know the massive differences in pay between a csr and account manager

Csrs field calls from established clients on trivial matters that processes are in place to deal with

There is a reason customer service reps at my old firm made 45k/year and “account managers” or equivalent of made an average of 400k with some doing up to 1.5 million

Whenever a client used to call in with some administrative questions I’d simply conference the csr into the call and let them deal with it

Account managers drive business, look for ways to increase profitability with current client base while csrs take care of the paper work

Cheers
im just wondering when companies will trim the fat and outsource these overpaid drone account manager positions to india.
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