*please respect SRS tag*

First, I’m not an anti vaxxer

I’m fully immunised even though I suffer fairly bad consequences from just about all vaccines

But I’m hearing more and more about this Covid vaccine that makes me wonder if it’s even worth it

In particular I’ve heard:
-the effect only lasts a few months
-it only reduces mechanical transmission by reducing some symptoms
-does nothing to slow the infectiousness of the disease
-apparently phukks up the very people in the population (old infirm) it’s meant to protect

Is this right? Also the usual concerns about long-term side effects of a therapeutic good that was rushed through development

I suffered though vaccines for all the usual things but I don’t think I’ll get through a 3-monthly flu shot

I don’t want to discourage anyone from taking it....but I ain’t taking it. I’m not 80 and I have elite genetics and it has a 99.7% recovery rate

I don't get it either. I just have no desire to get it whatsoever.

Good luck getting a srs thread. Within a few posts it will be CT's making up stories about being microchipped vs Wincel alts making up stories about all the covid vaccines being fully tested, 100% effective and with zero side effects.

no enough data
and we are the
volunteering candidates
sadly this china hoax pushed ppl to their ultimate nutysmzing

Yeah I hope it doesn’t get derailed.

I was really hoping for a vaccine to come out but it seems like it doesn’t really have even a fraction of the efficacy of what i traditionally understand a vaccine does (eg there is no polio in Australia)

i'm healthy and relatively young, i have little concern about contracting covid aside from transmitting it to elderly family so i'm careful with that

getting the vaccine is opening a door that you cannot close afterwards, and i'm not interested in taking that risk until there's more data about long-term safety and interactions. that said, my gut feeling says that it's safe and that i would get it if absolutely necessary to let's say, travel

'what are the fairly bad consequences you experience from vaccines?
Theres not enough data yet to know what effects of the vaccine are.
mechanical transmission? What is that.
Ive heard a lot about it reducing the symptoms while still being able to be infected by the virus. The immunity is not 100% it is low after the first dose, around 30% or so and then around 90% after the second dose. Im more worried about the long term effects of the covid19 pneumonia than I am about possible side effects of the vaccine.

-Notwithstanding recovery do you believe in “long Covid”
-do you think that risk outweighs risk or downsides of repeated vaccinations with a relatively untested vaccine

Location: East Coast, Australia

Just throw Dr. Habib some cash under the table to get him to sign you off as having received the vaccine.

i would like how to know they are producing so much so fast and shipping it all over the world for literally the entire population. need the dose 2 times, 3 weeks apart (wtf, why??) then you got this talk about the virus already mutating, so by the time everyone gets vaccinated their is already a new strain ****ing **** up, LOL

23 elderly people dropped dead in Norway just days after receiving the vaccine, they are reviewing the deaths

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/18/healt...ntl/index.html

ironically it seems like while elderly are at increased risk of succumbing to covid, some may at the same time be too frail and weak for a vaccine; or to at least survive any of it's side effects

i would assume they would be screened before taking a vaccine although you can't predict what will happen once they take the vaccine? but 23 people out of 42K doses administers is kind of a lot.

Yep all correct. There is literally no point taking it if you are young and healthy, moreso if you've had rona and recovered as previous infection gives at least 5 months immunity.

But being an Aussie cuck good luck telling ScoMo to fuk off.

I suppose they’re pumping up capacity supported by pre-orders from around the world, not hard to scale up capacity in the face of functionally limitless demand

But yeah I can’t be taking a week off to recover every 3 months

Tetanus vaccine booster had me on my back for a week solid

There are thousands of strains, viruses mutate, it's what they do. We're only now conveniently hearing about the UK/SA/Brazil strains now as the vaccine is rolled out so they can keep the lockdown lunacy going.

I'm in and out of hospitals frequently and the ER staff that are dealing with covid patients are still wearing respirator. (See pic below). If you've been vaccinated and it works, then why the fukk are you still wearing so much protective equipment?

I think there are still so many unknowns even medical professionals do not really trust it to keep them safe.


For comparison during flu season nurses that are vaccinated for the flu and are treating flu patients are not wearing all this protective equipment. Most of the time not even a mask from what I've seen.


Meanwhile I'm wearing my ****ty cloth mask when inside (as required). Which is sewed together by a friends wife and is as thick as a t-shirt. (lulz)

Nobody benefits directly from lockdowns, it merely avoids greater economic harm. Short term pain long term gain. so I think that is really just a conspiracy theory

However I do support social distancing, staying away from the workplace if sick, wearing a mask if sick and more frequent decontamination of public surfaces. And keep your damn distance at the supermarket etc srs. All of these if followed would greatly reduce the spread of all illnesses and is common courtesy

doesnt matter in the slightest if you're not an antivaxxer,
any questioning about it's safety or ANY concerns you have you will be labeled as one by your peers, the media anyways.

because its hospital policy.
still not enough is known
the typical flu is much less infectious and dangerous than the virus that causes covid19
masks in public is pretty much bs because people dont know how the transmission of the virus and ppe works

But I have all my vaccinations up to date and fully subscribe to the science (even though vaccines wreck me more than most people)

It’s more that I’m disappointed with the apparent effectiveness (or lack thereof) of this vaccine

There has been testing. While true it hasn't gone through the 10+ years of testing that some previous vaccines have, it's like comparing apples to oranges. This has been an international collaboration with millions and millions of dollars poured into it and developed by the world's experts while drawing upon all the previous research and data we have already obtained over the decades of previous vaccines. It's not like it's being cooked up in some windowless basement by a mad scientist with no prior knowledge of how anything works.

Yeah but what about long-term adverse health consequences

Eg infertility etc

I mean probably it will only affect some people and no therapeutic treatments are risk-free but is it worth it for 3 months of immunity? Idk, seriously

I’m not taking it
If that helps at all lol

What do you make of this article from 2018 on nature.com

mRNA vaccines — a new era in vaccinology

https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243

Potential safety concerns that are likely to be evaluated in future preclinical and clinical studies include local and systemic inflammation, the biodistribution and persistence of expressed immunogen, stimulation of auto-reactive antibodies and potential toxic effects of any non-native nucleotides and delivery system components.

A possible concern could be that some mRNA-based vaccine platforms induce potent type I interferon responses, which have been associated not only with inflammation but also potentially with autoimmunity. Thus, identification of individuals at an increased risk of autoimmune reactions before mRNA vaccination may allow reasonable precautions to be taken.

Another potential safety issue could derive from the presence of extracellular RNA during mRNA vaccination. Extracellular naked RNA has been shown to increase the permeability of tightly packed endothelial cells and may thus contribute to oedema. Another study showed that extracellular RNA promoted blood coagulation and pathological thrombus formation. Safety will therefore need continued evaluation as different mRNA modalities and delivery systems are utilized for the first time in humans and are tested in larger patient populations.

das it

Where is your information coming from brah?

The studies done prior to approval of these vaccines indicated 90%+ effectiveness against COVID-19 after two doses. They’ll reduce transmission and they’ll also reduce the severity of symptoms in people who are most at risk

mRNA vaccine use on this scale is new, but they’ve actually been researched and used in various forms since the ‘90s

Mainly news reports looking at efficacy of the various vaccines, seems like they can be as low as 70% and others are reporting as high as 94% (ie based on the different types of vaccines coming out)

But wildly differing accounts of what “effectiveness” actually means in this context

Dont really know what to believe anymore srs

Wonder if anyone can produce how many billions multiple companies were floated (govt and private) to not only develop but distribute the vaccine and its special refrigeration systems (Pfizer).

SRS,

Vaccines cover the full range. There have been vaccines like that for polio and smallpox which work 100% and make those diseases extinct. Then there are things like the current influenza vaccine which a Cochrane meta-analysis calculated will prevent flu once for every 40 years that you take it (once every 100 years if you exclude studies funded by companies that sell flu vaccines).

Australians are in for a shock because the hype is so much about eradication (front page news if a city has 2 cases) and no warning that you can still get the disease if you are vaccinated.

It's much higher than that if you're not ancient