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post 1629470293 01-23-2021, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted By SazabiBrah⏩
So considering I don't know shiet about options, can you guys tell me if what this kid says is legit? Because if so, I'll definitely do this on Monday with CCIV

Call debit spreads are not risk free though. Could possibly get royally fkd if news comes after hours which often happens. This example is buy 100 contracts 35 calls, sell 40 to max profit 50K.

Say friday on OPEX the price spikes on merge news but closes just shy at $34.99. You think your trade is done, you only lose your $1000 entry.

But, news comes after hours friday and price spikes to $50. You get assigned 10,000 shares at a cost of $100,000 ($50 market price minus $40 strike). Unfortunately you may not be able to close your 35C in time (small time window to close AH option trades) to profit so those expire worthless. You can still get assigned after hours on OPEX day!
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Originally Posted By MotorCityCobra⏩
its literally up about 1700% in 1 year. realistically how much growth is possible after such a massive run?
We're trading in uncharted territory in a lot of stuff because option sellers are getting ripped a new *******, look around at all the stocks that are up 1700% since last year, there's a lot of them.

Before GME on Friday, you could've said the same thing about it. "It's up whatever thousand percent, how much more can it go up?"

Just need the right condition and it's usually the ones that are up a ton already that go even more full retard because people love piling on to short things that think are "overbought" then they get chit on, and have to cover and get out higher driving these squeezes.
Originally Posted By Venom08⏩
huh? It's already up 700% in three months.
Yeah, and?

I'm not advocating for anybody to invest on PLUG at all time highs after running thousands of percents or anything like that.

I'm saying if you're looking for a stock that could potentially go full retard like GME did, I think PLUG has a chance of doing it.

Maybe AMC.
post 1629470813 01-23-2021, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
MITI hit 28 cents today from my .02 call last month.

Where is my buddy comply or gay?

MEDH set up beautifully today. Up 40% to .017 and going much higher. With MJ stocks about to get a boost from Biden I expect 5-10 cents here.

CTYX just keeps getting bought. Churn baby.

I believe this will be a multi dollar stock by possibly as early as Spring.

News that we KNOW is coming:

Name and symbol change
Up to $100 M in non dilutive preferred share financing
Collabs/M & As/Buyouts with big pharma
Uplist

That is just to start. So much more on top of this.

And the chart is looking spectacular.

what is your exit price target for these 2 bad boys ? (CTYX and MEDH)

MEDH still a good buy for 0.017 + ?
post 1629471313 01-23-2021, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Does this mean Citron got screwed over? pls tell me they will go bankrupt
Citron gets a huge reaction from the markets every time he tweets and he front runs his position.

Once their tweet comes out, they're probably unloading most of their position right there.

They're not going bankrupt boyo.
post 1629474483 01-23-2021, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted By usersignup2⏩
Call debit spreads are not risk free though. Could possibly get royally fkd if news comes after hours which often happens. This example is buy 100 contracts 35 calls, sell 40 to max profit 50K.

Say friday on OPEX the price spikes on merge news but closes just shy at $34.99. You think your trade is done, you only lose your $1000 entry.

But, news comes after hours friday and price spikes to $50. You get assigned 10,000 shares at a cost of $100,000 ($50 market price minus $40 strike). Unfortunately you may not be able to close your 35C in time (small time window to close AH option trades) to profit so those expire worthless. You can still get assigned after hours on OPEX day!
This is the type of risk I am thankful people point out.

So basically to be 100% covered buy my calls at $35 first. THEN sell the $40 calls. Then no matter what make sure I close out both legs before expiration... When closing I'd buy to close the $40 strike first then sell my $35 calls right?


No other oddball fukery things that can wreck me?
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post 1629476813 01-23-2021, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
This is the type of risk I am thankful people point out.

So basically to be 100% covered buy my calls at $35 first. THEN sell the $40 calls. Then no matter what make sure I close out both legs before expiration... When closing I'd buy to close the $40 strike first then sell my $35 calls right?


No other oddball fukery things that can wreck me?
Ideally your trading platform would allow you to open or close a spread in a single transaction - mine doesnt. Otherwise you are at the mercy of the market, regardless of which strike you action. Merger is a high volatility event and there can be dramatic swings which can screw you up either way by the time you input your trades manually.

Actioning your 35C adds or removes your opportunity.
Actioning your 40C adds or removes risk of assignment

If you dont have sufficient cash or margin, you may only have the choice of buying the 35 and selling the 40, in that order when opening.

When you want to exit the trade then BTC the 40 first will remove potential assignment.
post 1629477933 01-23-2021, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted By usersignup2⏩
Ideally your trading platform would allow you to open or close a spread in a single transaction - mine doesnt. Otherwise you are at the mercy of the market, regardless of which strike you action. Merger is a high volatility event and there can be dramatic swings which can screw you up either way by the time you input your trades manually.

Actioning your 35C adds or removes your opportunity.
Actioning your 40C adds or removes risk of assignment

If you dont have sufficient cash or margin, you may only have the choice of buying the 35 and selling the 40, in that order when opening.

When you want to exit the trade then BTC the 40 first will remove potential assignment.
As bad as I want to own 2500 shares at that price no thanks lmao. Unfortunately my broker won't do it for me so I'm kinda on my own. Realistically if I bought the calls when prices are rock bottom and then sell the $40 strike when things have started moving realistically I could be into the trade for almost nothing right?
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Anyone selling weeklies on ARKK?
There is no they…
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Originally Posted By Slamt⏩
We're trading in uncharted territory in a lot of stuff because option sellers are getting ripped a new *******, look around at all the stocks that are up 1700% since last year, there's a lot of them.

Before GME on Friday, you could've said the same thing about it. "It's up whatever thousand percent, how much more can it go up?"

Just need the right condition and it's usually the ones that are up a ton already that go even more full retard because people love piling on to short things that think are "overbought" then they get chit on, and have to cover and get out higher driving these squeezes.
It actually does make sense because the 4th industrial revolution, digital technological shift, is happening right in front of us IMO. COVID is just accelerating its process. Pay attention to all the stocks that are mooning, all digital, green energy, EV, tech & ecommerce related. Amazon, shopify, square, paypal, crypto, tesla, nio, hydrogen, netflix, snowflake, etc.

bubble/boom (us right now) > pop/correction (some will be wiped out)

Cathie Wood is predicting an EV stock correction is coming, other sectors will follow. My advice, just ride the wave, make chitload of gains, and gtfo asap because the game is rigged against us.
Originally Posted By Slamt⏩
Yeah, and?

I'm not advocating for anybody to invest on PLUG at all time highs after running thousands of percents or anything like that.

I'm saying if you're looking for a stock that could potentially go full retard like GME did, I think PLUG has a chance of doing it.

Maybe AMC.
$GME is going crazy because of a short squeeze and a gamma squeeze. $PLUG is not.
post 1629487273 01-23-2021, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted By hiyooo⏩
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Cathie Wood is predicting an EV stock correction is coming, other sectors will follow. My advice, just ride the wave, make chitload of gains, and gtfo asap because the game is rigged against us.


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She is? Got a link? Only thing I’ve seen from her about a correction is an overall market correction from December. Since then she’s loaded up on TSLA lol
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M⏩
As bad as I want to own 2500 shares at that price no thanks lmao. Unfortunately my broker won't do it for me so I'm kinda on my own. Realistically if I bought the calls when prices are rock bottom and then sell the $40 strike when things have started moving realistically I could be into the trade for almost nothing right?
Yes, IF IF but realistically youd have to have rock solid conviction or be a lotto player. The cost of the trade is mitigated by the short call and if price action doesnt move in your favor then its an expensive lotto.
post 1629487923 01-23-2021, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted By Travis99⏩
Anyone selling weeklies on ARKK?
Premiums not juicy enough for me
post 1629488123 01-23-2021, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
She is? Got a link? Only thing I’ve seen from her about a correction is an overall market correction from December. Since then she’s loaded up on TSLA lol
She sold a whole bunch of tesla a couple weeks ago, like 150K shares ish.
post 1629489303 01-23-2021, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted By usersignup2⏩
Premiums not juicy enough for me
Uhhh its probably one of the best premiums for an etf.

Compare it to. A known volatile etf such as tna. 10% otm calls yield about 50$.

Arkk is the same. About 50.

When you compare it to individual stocks it does seem a little pale. But its an etf. Amd is about 100+ so is apple edit: apple is actually closer to 50. But then again they did have big runups recently.



Anyways. Travis ive been selling weeklies. Not many etfs have weeklies Had to roll out twice already so I'm playing it more conservative
Now.
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post 1629489333 01-23-2021, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted By hiyooo⏩
I believe yesterday was a gamma squeeze with OTM calls. MM got phucked in the ass, look at 1/22 60c volume it's over 200k.

So it wasn't even a short squeeze aka it has not really begun yet.

This is pretty much a flashback to Tesla moon mission in 2020.

FOMO will be ATH monday, enjoy the 2021 show.
I’m jumping back in lol, you been diamond handing?
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post 1629489803 01-23-2021, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Carbonfibre⏩
yeah MM got destroyed.

its not finished for sure.


someone said $100 calls already were written Friday.


if true so going in Monday.

its impossible to know when it will start to rip again.

even if $1-2K expires worthless.

the upside is crazy.


Friday $60C went from open 0.05 to 22$ per contract.
53C were .01 apparently.


What you going in on? Calls? Or shares
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Originally Posted By chino3⏩
She is? Got a link? Only thing I’ve seen from her about a correction is an overall market correction from December. Since then she’s loaded up on TSLA lol
Not word for word and she definitely believes in Tesla. It's just a lot won't survive. It's from her newsletter.
2. Could Most Electric Vehicle (EV) Startups Go Bankrupt?

Outside of China, the number of EV companies going public is mounting and, if automotive history is any guide, we believe most will disappear in one way or another. As gas-powered cars commercialized in the early 1900s, for example, roughly 485 companies entered the business. By 1930 fewer than 50 survived and just three accounted for 80% of auto output. Likewise, in China, more than 500 EV companies had registered by 2019 but only a handful were able to raise additional funds last year to produce one vehicle or to scale manufacturing. Now it appears EV startups are proliferating outside of China. Again, if history is any guide, most of them will fail to reach scale.
The overall market correction is from this video Jan 8, 2021, last 2 minutes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzPzz24UN3c
Originally Posted By Lb54TG⏩
I’m jumping back in lol, you been diamond handing?
Yup, I am not phucking selling but I did set several limit orders at triple digits. Also diamond handing a few call contracts as well.
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Originally Posted By hiyooo⏩
Not word for word and she definitely believes in Tesla. It's just a lot won't survive. It's from her newsletter.



The overall market correction is from this video Jan 8, 2021, last 2 minutes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzPzz24UN3c



Yup, I am not phucking selling but I did set several limit orders at triple digits. Also diamond handing a few call contracts as well.
Very fair points and I completely agree with her and I've posted about it. Very few will remain and they gotta have something that the competition doesn't.

And once the old world car makers do a complete turn they will burn 90% of the competition.

Nio has full government support. Tesla has manufacturing advantage head start. Canoo is trying to break the mold in several way.

The only 3 ev stocks I would consider holding.
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Originally Posted By hiyooo⏩
It actually does make sense because the 4th industrial revolution, digital technological shift, is happening right in front of us IMO. COVID is just accelerating its process. Pay attention to all the stocks that are mooning, all digital, green energy, EV, tech & ecommerce related. Amazon, shopify, square, paypal, crypto, tesla, nio, hydrogen, netflix, snowflake, etc.

bubble/boom (us right now) > pop/correction (some will be wiped out)

Cathie Wood is predicting an EV stock correction is coming, other sectors will follow. My advice, just ride the wave, make chitload of gains, and gtfo asap because the game is rigged against us.



$GME is going crazy because of a short squeeze and a gamma squeeze. $PLUG is not.
I said the PLUG might do the GME squeeze, not that it's gonna happen for sure or already happened....
Originally Posted By Heaney⏩
She sold a whole bunch of tesla a couple weeks ago, like 150K shares ish.
Most of those ARKK funds have a requirement where they have to trim once the weighing of a stock reaches a certain %.

So some of the sells could be totally meaningless, but TSLA did hit her 4k pre-split target, insane, probably time to cash.
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^Tesla about to start underperforming SP500IMO. Active managers already gotta find new sources of alpha and they'll cut their TSLA holdings significantly. Retail can't pick up the slack to the tune of billions and billions more dollars. There is 0 short squeeze left to play. Gamma squeeze is over now too. This week might be the tipping point and I proudly can say I haven't said that in like a year srs.
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Is anyone here involved in algorithmic trading? If I could go back in time I would've gotten a computer engineering degree instead of electrical engineering, and then done a masters in financial engineering.. that chit is fascinating. Too difficult to learn, and even more difficult to implement due to the competition from institutional investors I'm guessing?
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace⏩
Is anyone here involved in algorithmic trading? If I could go back in time I would've gotten a computer engineering degree instead of electrical engineering, and then done a masters in financial engineering.. that chit is fascinating. Too difficult to learn, and even more difficult to implement due to the competition from institutional investors I'm guessing?
You'd be competing with PhD Yale Physicists and Chit, srs. CE is bottom level algo trading, they're the wheels while the PhDs are the engines.

You can charge $1,000 an hour consulting for firms like Goldman on algo development and I imagine there's some type of equity cut.

Btw Misc, my apologies it looks as though I was wrong about Palantir earnings date being in March.

I think people are underestimating the chance this bish goes to goddamn $50 by March.
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
Say something . . . I'm GME'ing up on you??
I'll be the BB if you want me to
AMC, I would've followed you
Say something, I'm GME'ing up on you
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Originally Posted By ReyDelMundo⏩
You'd be competing with PhD Yale Physicists and Chit, srs. CE is bottom level algo trading, they're the wheels while the PhDs are the engines.

You can charge $1,000 an hour consulting for firms like Goldman on algo development and I imagine there's some type of equity cut.

Btw Misc, my apologies it looks as though I was wrong about Palantir earnings date being in March.

I think people are underestimating the chance this bish goes to goddamn $50 by March.
Yea I understand for formal jobs I’d be competing against those kinds of guys and quite frankly I’d stand no chance. However, my question was geared more towards individual investors. I cant imagine you need formal training to learn algo trading.

I was exceptional in math in undergrad (got a 100 on a calc 2 exam when the avg was 44) and just have a knack for difficult math, and I enjoy it too. Was reading a book on algo trading and it was pretty fascinating, srs. Would be cool to learn it and implement even for small profit.

As for PLTR.. if it goes near $50 near end of Feb, someone is going to be very happy when they’re assigned my 2/19 $30 covered calls lol
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Originally Posted By Slamt⏩
We're trading in uncharted territory in a lot of stuff because option sellers are getting ripped a new *******, look around at all the stocks that are up 1700% since last year, there's a lot of them.

Before GME on Friday, you could've said the same thing about it. "It's up whatever thousand percent, how much more can it go up?"

Just need the right condition and it's usually the ones that are up a ton already that go even more full retard because people love piling on to short things that think are "overbought" then they get chit on, and have to cover and get out higher driving these squeezes.



Yeah, and?

I'm not advocating for anybody to invest on PLUG at all time highs after running thousands of percents or anything like that.

I'm saying if you're looking for a stock that could potentially go full retard like GME did, I think PLUG has a chance of doing it.

Maybe AMC.
GME is a unique case though. Its an undervalued company & a turnaround story. Investors are finally starting to notice. Short squeeze hasn't even started yet. GameStop is deeply undervalued compared to brick and mortar peers and massively undervalued compared to e-commerce companies. It is actually a solid long term hold and will grow considerably regardless of the short squeeze
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Originally Posted By Galindo62⏩
Very fair points and I completely agree with her and I've posted about it. Very few will remain and they gotta have something that the competition doesn't.

And once the old world car makers do a complete turn they will burn 90% of the competition.

Nio has full government support. Tesla has manufacturing advantage head start. Canoo is trying to break the mold in several way.

The only 3 ev stocks I would consider holding.
not holding any GOEV rn, is it a good price to buy?
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Originally Posted By hiyooo⏩
Yup, I am not phucking selling but I did set several limit orders at triple digits. Also diamond handing a few call contracts as well.
I might do 1k OTM calls on Thursday for the next 5 weeks until it moons again...
risk 4k for potential 40k? fck it

if you did that the last 4 weeks you wouldve hit twice lmao

Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
Selling my JKS to load up on BB and CIIC . We might reach the heavens this time around.
calls or shares?

I wanna pick up some BB, but i just scooped CRSR on friday
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post 1629523683 01-24-2021, 07:33 AM
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Gme bb amc pltr

All in that order in Friday and it lost some ground then kept pushing up




I'll do some lurking and see what the consensus is but the moves are looking like that

Ive got call orders placed and some puts to offset potential losses
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Originally Posted By MotorCityCobra⏩
GME is a unique case though. Its an undervalued company & a turnaround story. Investors are finally starting to notice. Short squeeze hasn't even started yet. GameStop is deeply undervalued compared to brick and mortar peers and massively undervalued compared to e-commerce companies. It is actually a solid long term hold and will grow considerably regardless of the short squeeze
The one time I was in a GameStop, it was a chithole and nobody else was there (was looking for games for my nephew). I'm seriously curious what makes it undervalued. What can you get at GameStop that you can't get in 100 different places? Just seems like a complete mirage to me.
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