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post 1629744963 01-26-2021, 10:37 AM
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Question for computer science/IT brahs

Do you like your job

What's your salary

Would you do anything different looking back
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Yes, pretty laid back especially with WFH

70k for first job

Definitely wish I did an internship as s student before I graduated would have made the job search a lot easier.
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I would not go to school and instead learn on my own. Useless degree and a waste of money. I got out 6 months ago and I am doing web developer contract work now for cheap, because the market is so saturated, and even more chit with the lockdowns.
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I'm a backup/storage technician for a managed service provider (MSP), but my role also includes handling tier 1 helpdesk tickets, escalations and sometimes dispatches.

Salary 85k, been in the field for 4 years. Before that got my BS in Information Systems. I didn't start college until I was 22 years old. Wish I would have started sooner and gotten into the field earlier. Also, wish I had gotten a bunch of certs earlier. I still have none right now, but my company is putting me on a CCENT/CCNA track soon because we need more network technicians.

Overall I like it. MSP is very fast paced and stressful, but you learn tons and you'll never be bored. A lot of people get hired and nope on out of here, but those are the ones that are usually more used to a cushier internal IT job (nothing wrong with that)
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
I would not go to school and instead learn on my own. Useless degree and a waste of money. I got out 6 months ago and I am doing web developer contract work now for cheap, because the market is so saturated, and even more chit with the lockdowns.
it is a good BSc, forget about web dev go for roles backend, server cybersecurity, Android

a good degree from a good uni should have

every internship/grad scheme kinda requires it


you can also do Business Analyst roles in tech, product management, project management


OP:

No

50 000 GBP at age 23 but in London, UK

Yes, medical/law school

Will transfer to medicine

comp sci bsc + med = futuristic doc

tech IP patents law, law surrounding data privacy etc = new hot **** in law
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Yes it's interesting, has some challenging problems and the team is good.
119k, I live in Knoxville, TN now not Florida but job is remote from Denver, CO.
No, learned plenty of lessons that are useful now and in the future by making poor decisions, ended up in a good place so far. Got my BS in MIS at 27, late but had fun.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
it is a good BSc, forget about web dev go for roles backend, server cybersecurity, Android

a good degree from a good uni should have

every internship/grad scheme kinda requires it

you can also do Business Analyst roles in tech, product management, project management
I didn't choose web dev, it's the only choice I had after months of unemployment. I wanted to work for defense in robotics and embedded systems. Computer Science is not useful for cybersecurity given the courses, and the content in them, offered by most colleges. Cybersecurity deserves its own degree, and of course, plenty of your own projects and experience. There are not many Cyber-engineer positions available either. Most cybersecurity work is IT and management related.

Like I said. Degree is worthless. It is the minimum requirement now. Some companies don't care if you have a degree, just 4-5 years of experience (which you can gain on your own by developing projects).

Again, field is saturated. Learn on your own and develop projects or your own business.
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
I didn't choose web dev, it's the only choice I had after months of unemployment. I wanted to work for defense in robotics and embedded systems. Computer Science is not useful for cybersecurity given the courses, and the content in them, offered by most colleges. Cybersecurity deserves its own degree, and of course, plenty of your own projects and experience. There are not many Cyber-engineer positions available either. Most cybersecurity work is IT and management related.

Like I said. Degree is worthless. It is the minimum requirement now. Some companies don't care if you have a degree, just 4-5 years of experience (which you can gain on your own by developing projects).

Again, field is saturated. Learn on your own and develop projects or your own business.
welp IDK, maybe in the USA everyone has one these days

you also need to be decent

not saying you are not but degree - comp sci, finance or even nursing medical won't work if u are wank

a lot of entry level **** is saturated I agree

you can say that for any degree tbh without context

medicine the contrast is it is much harder to get into, especially in the USA, but then u can be the low grade family med or the neurosurgeon
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Originally Posted By lnvictus⏩
Yeah
90k CDN Pesos
Yeah, get a legit CS degree and start in the industry sooner.
Planning to go this route.
Originally Posted By Kajin⏩
Yes, pretty laid back especially with WFH

70k for first job

Definitely wish I did an internship as s student before I graduated would have made the job search a lot easier.
Pretty good brah.
Originally Posted By John
I'm a backup/storage technician for a managed service provider (MSP), but my role also includes handling tier 1 helpdesk tickets, escalations and sometimes dispatches.

Salary 85k, been in the field for 4 years. Before that got my BS in Information Systems. I didn't start college until I was 22 years old. Wish I would have started sooner and gotten into the field earlier. Also, wish I had gotten a bunch of certs earlier. I still have none right now, but my company is putting me on a CCENT/CCNA track soon because we need more network technicians.

Overall I like it. MSP is very fast paced and stressful, but you learn tons and you'll never be bored. A lot of people get hired and nope on out of here, but those are the ones that are usually more used to a cushier internal IT job (nothing wrong with that)
I haven't done much in the way of coding but it seems more interesting than some other jobs.
Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
OP:

No

50 000 GBP at age 23 but in London, UK

Yes, medical/law school

Will transfer to medicine

comp sci bsc + med = futuristic doc

tech IP patents law, law surrounding data privacy etc = new hot **** in law
The opportunities for med/law in the future was actually one of the things I was considering. Good luck man.
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Yes it's interesting, has some challenging problems and the team is good.
119k, I live in Knoxville, TN now not Florida but job is remote from Denver, CO.
No, learned plenty of lessons that are useful now and in the future by making poor decisions, ended up in a good place so far. Got my BS in MIS at 27, late but had fun.
Nice.
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard⏩
I would not go to school and instead learn on my own. Useless degree and a waste of money. I got out 6 months ago and I am doing web developer contract work now for cheap, because the market is so saturated, and even more chit with the lockdowns.
How can you attempt to give advice when you're a web developer struggling to get work? A lot of what you've said in this thread is legit, defeatist, chit-tier advice.

OP: Unless you plan on doing easy frontend development, a CS degree from a reputable school is definitely is worth it.

Our company actually requires them for development positions(Fortune 500, 20,000+ people company).

Unless you're going to be a code monkey, understanding the math and logic behind computer science actually does go a long way.

To answer your question, I'm a Software Engineering Manager, been in this game for 12 years. Been an application developer, web developer, sr. software engineer. Experience+education pays well. Wouldn't want to do anything else/10. Only thing I would have changed was being more selective of my jobs. I picked some places where I didn't have a mentor and it slowed my growth.
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Originally Posted By IronFeta⏩
Planning to go this route.
The opportunities for med/law in the future was actually one of the things I was considering. Good luck man.
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although keep in mind comp sci doesn't make u some schlomo who is needed in those fields barring normal IT workwithinlaw firms and hospitals like data stuff/ general IT


but law school and medical school is after bachelor in the usa and u can do comp sci because if u also become a lawyer or a doctor the impact of AI/tech will be there for u to succeed


edit: btw OP - as I said, IMHO it a good industry

I just don't feel interested and **** and progression path can be juicer in med/law

but it all depends
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Originally Posted By lockdev⏩
How can you attempt to give advice when you're a web developer struggling to get work? A lot of what you've said in this thread is legit, defeatist, chit-tier advice.

OP: Unless you plan on doing easy frontend development, a CS degree from a reputable school is definitely is worth it.

Our company actually requires them for development positions(Fortune 500, 20,000+ people company).

Unless you're going to be a code monkey, understanding the math and logic behind computer science actually does go a long way.

To answer your question, I'm a Software Engineering Manager, been in this game for 12 years. Been an application developer, web developer, sr. software engineer. Experience+education pays well. Wouldn't want to do anything else/10. Only thing I would have changed was being more selective of my jobs. I picked some places where I didn't have a mentor and it slowed my growth.
yep and op this is good advice

not to mention that combine it with a lot of (****) talking good social skills and think strategy/creativity and a lot of the work is pushed into system design, product etc which requires understanding but it is not buried in deep logs to figure out who dafuq left a null pointer fam
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
although keep in mind comp sci doesn't make u some schlomo who is needed in those fields barring normal IT workwithinlaw firms and hospitals like data stuff/ general IT


but law school and medical school is after bachelor in the usa and u can do comp sci because if u also become a lawyer or a doctor the impact of AI/tech will be there for u to succeed


edit: btw OP - as I said, IMHO it a good industry

I just don't feel interested and **** and progression path can be juicer in med/law

but it all depends
Yeah the bachelors certificate opening opportunities rather than being a dead end, while also being highly applicable itself is appealing.
Especially if I end up not liking the field or tiring, med and law are great fields to transition into.
Originally Posted By lockdev
OP: Unless you plan on doing easy frontend development, a CS degree from a reputable school is definitely is worth it.

Our company actually requires them for development positions(Fortune 500, 20,000+ people company).

Unless you're going to be a code monkey, understanding the math and logic behind computer science actually does go a long way.

To answer your question, I'm a Software Engineering Manager, been in this game for 12 years. Been an application developer, web developer, sr. software engineer. Experience+education pays well. Wouldn't want to do anything else/10. Only thing I would have changed was being more selective of my jobs. I picked some places where I didn't have a mentor and it slowed my growth
I've seen the same for company requirements. Was wanting to do kinesiology but compsci sounds the best to not be fukked by loans and few job prospects. Thanks brah.
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Originally Posted By IronFeta⏩
Nice.
FWIW despite not graduating until 2013 I've got around 13 years of IT experience including supervisory level so it's not like I had a meteoric rise over the last 7 years. Slow and steady rise that most anyone could do if they put their mind to it.

A lot of people think IT is some shortcut to a high salary but in reality it takes just as much work as any other field provided that field has the potential to reach that salary, obviously you won't make 6 figures in some professions. If you put in the work, study on your own time, and generally try not to be overly satisfied with your current position you'll climb eventually. Nothing wrong with being satisfied with a good job, but not in a way that makes you LDAR at that position for 20 years unless you really feel that you don't want to move up due to responsibility, work/life balance, or some other real reason.

lockdev already noted the importance of having a mentor who knows their **** and is not only willing to teach but good at it. That should be something you look for in every position until you are senior level enough to be that guy. Luckily for me I still have a lead systems architect above me because I'm definitely not 'the man', but I've taken a position before where I had no mentor and it was honestly terrible as I wasn't ready for the responsibility level. Wouldn't change it though, learned a good lesson that just because I have the experience to fill the top technical job on paper doesn't mean I can do it from a project management / mentoring others / dealing with vendors / dealing with upper management perspectives. Getting there, but not quite.
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
A lot of people think IT is some shortcut to a high salary but in reality it takes just as much work as any other field provided that field has the potential to reach that salary
tbf the only legit reason why this because media and everyone and their dog was saying that the gold rush is computer science due to tech more involved and big tech become new big corp

and politicians wanted to play the "well look I am getting the young people ready for the future" by sponsoring bootcamps with no focus on getting a job

brb u have to actually work and put effort into being good

brb just like finance for instance
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Computer Science and IT are different things. An "IT" degree is completely worthless.
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Switched to IT Freelance Consulting/Project Management

160k before taxes in my first year and i have a slick tax consultant guy

I like the money and i finally realized how to split private life and work life... i feel much better now

Can only recommend it to you guys

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Originally Posted By Perowise⏩
Switched to IT Freelance Consulting/Project Management

160k before taxes in my first year and i have a slick tax consultant guy

I like the money and i finally realized how to split private life and work life... i feel much better now

Can only recommend it to you guys

PS: i am in eurocuckia
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System engineer, started out just over $60k (live in Midwest though so cost of living is relatively cheap). I enjoy it, but it can definitely be stressful. I had severe imposter syndrome for a while but based off my early annual review I’m doing a good job.

Biggest problem in IT imo is there is so many technologies you have to learn. For my job, have to understand networking, Linux systems, Windows Server, Python, config as code (Ansible/Chef), monitoring tools like Splunk and New Relic.. etc. that’s what makes it stressful. Plus you can’t really have the mentality of becoming a master just because you’ve been doing it for X years as the technology is forever evolving.

Usually have really good benefits though since the field is demanding. WFH, discounts at like Apple, office supplies, etc.

Would I switch industries? Prob not because IT pays well and job market continues to grow.
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Yep comp sci degree
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Yes and no...if I had the time and knew what I knew, then yeah. But content on moving with what I have as well.
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Comp Sci degree. Yes I like the job, I went into Cyber Security. It's like IT 2.0 but with less "helping/troubleshooting" for people, and more investigating and engaging teams for security incidents.

Current salary is $73k, but bonuses/overtime boosted me into $97k gross in 2020. Expecting a raise to base pay, and probably $105k-110k gross in 2021.

I would've taken college a little more seriously the first two years. I had some bad Semesters, could've graduated 1-2 Semesters sooner, and could've gotten ~3.5+ GPA, as opposed to my 3.3. Beyond that I would've had less student loan debt due to graduating sooner, and hopefully this would also kickstart my career like 3-6 months sooner than I did. There's a lot of subdivisions in Comp Sci, and if I knew I was going to go the Cyber Security route, I would've taken a few more electives related to it, and gotten a certification or 2 related to Cybersecurity before I graduated.

Last thing I'd change is I would've started working sooner. My first job was an IT helpdesk guy in 3rd year of college. Wish I started 1st year doing that kinda work to help cash flow college and get some money saved up. Doesn't hinder the studies at all... plenty of lulls in IT help desk work to get your own studying and homework done, while being paid.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
where brat
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Austria currently, but working with Russian programmers for a german bank
PM sometimes cyka
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
tbf the only legit reason why this because media and everyone and their dog was saying that the gold rush is computer science due to tech more involved and big tech become new big corp

and politicians wanted to play the "well look I am getting the young people ready for the future" by sponsoring bootcamps with no focus on getting a job

brb u have to actually work and put effort into being good

brb just like finance for instance
Everything completely correct

BUT

IT
Finance
etc. careers have more potential than others, especially in covid times and beyond

But still it isnt a gold mine, where you just get a bsc/ba degree and get rich after 10 years guaranteed
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs⏩
PM sometimes cyka
можно братан

but i am on mobile mostly
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Originally Posted By soaponarope1⏩
FWIW despite not graduating until 2013 I've got around 13 years of IT experience including supervisory level so it's not like I had a meteoric rise over the last 7 years. Slow and steady rise that most anyone could do if they put their mind to it.

A lot of people think IT is some shortcut to a high salary but in reality it takes just as much work as any other field provided that field has the potential to reach that salary, obviously you won't make 6 figures in some professions. If you put in the work, study on your own time, and generally try not to be overly satisfied with your current position you'll climb eventually. Nothing wrong with being satisfied with a good job, but not in a way that makes you LDAR at that position for 20 years unless you really feel that you don't want to move up due to responsibility, work/life balance, or some other real reason.

lockdev already noted the importance of having a mentor who knows their **** and is not only willing to teach but good at it. That should be something you look for in every position until you are senior level enough to be that guy. Luckily for me I still have a lead systems architect above me because I'm definitely not 'the man', but I've taken a position before where I had no mentor and it was honestly terrible as I wasn't ready for the responsibility level. Wouldn't change it though, learned a good lesson that just because I have the experience to fill the top technical job on paper doesn't mean I can do it from a project management / mentoring others / dealing with vendors / dealing with upper management perspectives. Getting there, but not quite.
I'll keep that in mind. Haven't began university yet, I plan to work hard as fuk at this to make it worthwhile.
Originally Posted By DoctorKazama⏩
Computer Science and IT are different things. An "IT" degree is completely worthless.
I've heard as much.
Originally Posted By ManeGuts⏩
I am in second semester of Information Systems. I'm studying for hours and have difficulties grasping Java. If I keep failing I might have to withdraw and change majors. I got a group project coming and I don't know how to begin. I hate being dumb for this course.
Ask around for some help man, use all avenues before you consider dropping.
Originally Posted By Perowise⏩
Switched to IT Freelance Consulting/Project Management

160k before taxes in my first year and i have a slick tax consultant guy

I like the money and i finally realized how to split private life and work life... i feel much better now

Can only recommend it to you guys

PS: i am in eurocuckia
Nice. I would honestly like to live in Europe in the future, I think getting this degree would be beneficial for job opportunities there.
Originally Posted By Xerve⏩
System engineer, started out just over $60k (live in Midwest though so cost of living is relatively cheap). I enjoy it, but it can definitely be stressful. I had severe imposter syndrome for a while but based off my early annual review I’m doing a good job.

Biggest problem in IT imo is there is so many technologies you have to learn. For my job, have to understand networking, Linux systems, Windows Server, Python, config as code (Ansible/Chef), monitoring tools like Splunk and New Relic.. etc. that’s what makes it stressful. Plus you can’t really have the mentality of becoming a master just because you’ve been doing it for X years as the technology is forever evolving.

Usually have really good benefits though since the field is demanding. WFH, discounts at like Apple, office supplies, etc.

Would I switch industries? Prob not because IT pays well and job market continues to grow.
Heard of having to constantly keep up to date. Good on your performance review brah.
Originally Posted By miscerForLulz⏩
Yep comp sci degree
80k CDN
Yes and no...if I had the time and knew what I knew, then yeah. But content on moving with what I have as well.
Cool. What would you have done instead?
Originally Posted By Visel⏩
Comp Sci degree. Yes I like the job, I went into Cyber Security. It's like IT 2.0 but with less "helping/troubleshooting" for people, and more investigating and engaging teams for security incidents.

Current salary is $73k, but bonuses/overtime boosted me into $97k gross in 2020. Expecting a raise to base pay, and probably $105k-110k gross in 2021.

I would've taken college a little more seriously the first two years. I had some bad Semesters, could've graduated 1-2 Semesters sooner, and could've gotten ~3.5+ GPA, as opposed to my 3.3. Beyond that I would've had less student loan debt due to graduating sooner, and hopefully this would also kickstart my career like 3-6 months sooner than I did. There's a lot of subdivisions in Comp Sci, and if I knew I was going to go the Cyber Security route, I would've taken a few more electives related to it, and gotten a certification or 2 related to Cybersecurity before I graduated.

Last thing I'd change is I would've started working sooner. My first job was an IT helpdesk guy in 3rd year of college. Wish I started 1st year doing that kinda work to help cash flow college and get some money saved up. Doesn't hinder the studies at all... plenty of lulls in IT help desk work to get your own studying and homework done, while being paid.
Will keep that help desk idea in mind. Nice bonuses brah.
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I'm just a POS IT guy at a pretty low end IT Helpdesk job. However, am pretty well versed in Programming, SQL, etc...would like to hear from other COMP SCI bros here on what certs to recommend someone who wants to get into development without having to go back to school. Any good certs? How to best develop a portfolio?
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Originally Posted By superkhurram⏩
I'm just a POS IT guy at a pretty low end IT Helpdesk job. However, am pretty well versed in Programming, SQL, etc...would like to hear from other COMP SCI bros here on what certs to recommend someone who wants to get into development without having to go back to school. Any good certs? How to best develop a portfolio?
Anything cloud related is gucci (aws or azure).

You can use a simple wordpress site to serve as your portfolio site, the key is to be consistent and fill it with projects you've worked on. Each project can be as basic or complex as you like.
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Originally Posted By Xerve⏩
System engineer, started out just over $60k (live in Midwest though so cost of living is relatively cheap). I enjoy it, but it can definitely be stressful. I had severe imposter syndrome for a while but based off my early annual review I’m doing a good job.

Biggest problem in IT imo is there is so many technologies you have to learn. For my job, have to understand networking, Linux systems, Windows Server, Python, config as code (Ansible/Chef), monitoring tools like Splunk and New Relic.. etc. that’s what makes it stressful. Plus you can’t really have the mentality of becoming a master just because you’ve been doing it for X years as the technology is forever evolving.

Usually have really good benefits though since the field is demanding. WFH, discounts at like Apple, office supplies, etc.

Would I switch industries? Prob not because IT pays well and job market continues to grow.
Yeah, senior systems engineer here. I do linux and windows admin, network engineering, manage the firewall, run the load balancers, manage the physical infrastructure (UCS, bare metal servers, appliances, etc), run the storage, vmware admin (both the infrastructure itself and VMs). Rarely does a week go by that I don't do something completely new to me that is a linchpin in a project so it is expected to go smoothly.

Took a bit to get used to the fact that my job mostly entails learning technologies rather than mastering any one thing, and that not knowing wtf I'm doing while at the same time documenting the thing and teaching a jr systems engineer how to do the thing I just learned how to do myself is a regular thing. I'm pretty good at networking and linux admin though.
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