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post 1629892703 01-27-2021, 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey
Yeah if you want to take the risk. I'm in full FOMO mode lol. Got some money invested but nowhere near as much as I like. With people making thousands with a week it's crazy. Why did I not buy GameStop back in March? I never lost faith in the company. Had I taken that $1200 stimulus that would've been close to 6 figures now. Down Payment on house, paid for school, and a good savings.

I'll be back to complaining about being a wage slave and crony capitalism next week LOL.

Yes, we have that program, but if I'm not mistaken your payments are higher. I could be wrong.
That's really the default here in Canada, at least in my time. I'd think putting down 20% as a first-time home buyer would be unusual, generally that's for future purchases after you've built up some home equity and other assets

Back when my parents were 20-30, their down payments were probably much lower but they were paying 10-20% interest
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Originally Posted By PectoralBrah
think again *******. You just lost millions
this. The guy who discovered it is still holding with a 44 million dollar position. And he started with only 50k. Yet you think you know better than him. He cashed out 25% but he's hanging on for the big push.

Congrats on making some coin though.
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey
Why did I not buy GameStop back in March?I never lost faith in the company.
U wot M8? The reason that GameStop is going parabolic is because it was doing so poorly. So poorly that hedge funds bet on GME going bankrupt. But these greedy bastards ****ed themselves by shorting @ 150% of outstanding shares. People caught on to this and started buying up GME shares knowing that when the contracts expire, the hedge funds will beFORCEDto buy these shares back atwhateverprice sellers set.
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Originally Posted By DDoc
Yeah. You just pay mortgage insurance until you have 20% equity. Mine is an extra 80ish bucks a month.
Great system hey. This guy is just starting out and can’t afford 20% deposit. I know let’s fuk him even harder and charge lenders mortgage insurance.

Burn it all down
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post 1629894743 01-27-2021, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted By tendies
U wot M8? The reason that GameStop is going parabolic is because it was doing so poorly. So poorly that hedge funds bet on GME going bankrupt. But these greedy bastards ****ed themselves by shorting @ 150% of outstanding shares. People caught on to this and started buying up GME shares knowing that when the contracts expire, the hedge funds will beFORCEDto buy these shares back atwhateverprice sellers set.
Nope, I really can't see gamestop going bankrupt. IDK, I buy games from them all the time, much more so than Walmart, Best Buy, etc.

That said, I didn't put much thought into it. Gamestop looks like Blockbuster 2.0
post 1629894903 01-27-2021, 09:03 PM
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[QUOTE=BetaAsPhuck post_id=1629890483][I]This isn't just about $GME or $AMC, it's about a level playing field.

It's a divide in between an older generation that had actual upside and a disenfranchised generation born into multiple financial crises held up by a corrupt system.
[/QUOTE]I'm so tired of this victim mentality and uneducated narrative going around. Everyone acts like this these days, it's just trendy, and because all the other young people are saying it they think they're correct and they're victims of corrupt countries.

Incomes were rising just before Covid faster than inflation which is great, peoples houses are actually bigger and it's roughly the same cost (average) to buy a home as it was a few decades back, houses are just bigger now. TVs are bigger, people have much better computers, much better phones, and they actually work[b]less[/b]hours than our parents/grandparents, not a ton less hours but like 1.5 less hours per week. We also have more rights and more fairness.


I hope all of you try to combat this ridiculous narrative when we hear it and speak up against it, because it's not productive. It makes people angry when they shouldn't be, leading to more division and all that in our culture.

There ARE issues to solve and things that still need addressing but when you exaggerate issues, nobody is going to help solve the issues that actually do exist.
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Originally Posted By Unstumpable
this. The guy who discovered it is still holding with a 44 million dollar position. And he started with only 50k. Yet you think you know better than him. He cashed out 25% but he's hanging on for the big push.

Congrats on making some coin though.
Yea he cashed out his fuking retirement money. That’s the difference. He’s already set. Maybe I’ll buy a call or two just to stay in it
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Originally Posted By 3fifty
I'm so tired of this victim mentality and uneducated narrative going around. Everyone acts like this these days, it's just trendy, and because all the other young people are saying it they think they're correct and they're victims of corrupt countries.

Incomes were rising just before Covid faster than inflation which is great, peoples houses are actually bigger and it's roughly the same cost (average) to buy a home as it was a few decades back, houses are just bigger now. TVs are bigger, people have much better computers, much better phones, and they actually worklesshours than our parents/grandparents, not a ton less hours but like 1.5 less hours per week. We also have more rights and more fairness.


I hope all of you try to combat this ridiculous narrative when we hear it and speak up against it, because it's not productive. It makes people angry when they shouldn't be, leading to more division and all that in our culture.

There ARE issues to solve and things that still need addressing but when you exaggerate issues, nobody is going to help solve the issues that actually do exist.
tldr cliffs?
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Loving this chit. Even though a lot of retail brahs are going to get fuked along with the suits when this reverses.

Shorts are still above 130% though, so them boys lying about covering their puts. Next couple of days are going to be wild.
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Originally Posted By PectoralBrah
lol @ this cucked post. No one gives a rat's ass about bigger houses, bigger tvs, or any of that bullchit

people want fulfillment, ambition, satisfaction, and purpose in life

all that other trash is just chit they give to you to keep you occupied while they suck the people's teet dry. Most people in this country are jaded and depressed
A lot of people just want enough to not have to work 40 hours a week till their 60. Lol at bigger TVs and better computers
post 1629895843 01-27-2021, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted By 3fifty
I'm so tired of this victim mentality and uneducated narrative going around. Everyone acts like this these days, it's just trendy, and because all the other young people are saying it they think they're correct and they're victims of corrupt countries.

Incomes were rising just before Covid faster than inflation which is great, peoples houses are actually bigger and it's roughly the same cost (average) to buy a home as it was a few decades back, houses are just bigger now. TVs are bigger, people have much better computers, much better phones, and they actually worklesshours than our parents/grandparents, not a ton less hours but like 1.5 less hours per week. We also have more rights and more fairness.


I hope all of you try to combat this ridiculous narrative when we hear it and speak up against it, because it's not productive. It makes people angry when they shouldn't be, leading to more division and all that in our culture.

There ARE issues to solve and things that still need addressing but when you exaggerate issues, nobody is going to help solve the issues that actually do exist.
Fuk off *******



Things of value are only getting harder to obtain while things that waste time and take value are getting cheaper.

Look at we are witnessing now. Multiple billion dollar hedge funds got caught selling more shares than there is in existence with money that doesn’t exist and the establishment is closing ranks to keep the farce going.
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post 1629896273 01-27-2021, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck
If you're out of the loop - this is the hilarious story of a subreddit - wall street bets - taking down a multi-billion dollar hedge fund... get your popcorn ready Popcorn

the hero of our story: a user named Deep****ingValue bought $50k of call options in Gamestop $GME that has turned into a $13M+ win in ~3 months.

he's a part of the subreddit r/WallStreetBets, a group of degenerate gamblers that I love.

So here's the situation.

Gamestop (GME) = a dying biz. circling the drain. Who goes to a store to buy games? It's basically a pokemon card dealership at this point. Plus with covid, malls are dead.

So some Hedge Funds are shorting the stock, betting it would go down.

One fund in particular, Melvin Capital Managment - a multi-billion dollar hedge fund...had been accruing a big short position in gamestop. Usually you don't have to disclose your shorts - but these were 'listed put options' so some clever redditors discovered the position

Melvin had a $55M+ short against GME.

except in this case - redditors saw the overloaded short position and started buying the stock, as a "short squeeze" against melvin. Now the "borrowed" shares were due, but redditors refused to sell, demanding higher and higher prices.

to be clear. This has nothing to do with gamestop as a business. They are just a piece of rope being used in a tug of war between internet nerds and wall st suits.

the rally cry on r/wallstreet bets:

"we can remain retarded for longer than they can stay solvent!"

Melvin lost $2B+ in like 2 weeks, and just had to get bailed out by 2 other funds just to cover it's losses from the shorts.

It's not quite George Soros "Breaking the Bank of England" - but it's close.

The yolo traders of reddit just broke a multi-billion dollar hedge fund


"Why can't Melvin capital just uninstall robinhood and reinstall it to restore their save game to get their money back????" - u/dopexile


short squeezes - and day trading - are stressful and super volatile.

But... I'm here for the petty fight between internet trolls and wall st.

And in that fight, i'm going with the neckbeard cat guy rather than goldman sachs suit. $50k on $GME and $BB at market open baby Smiling face with open mouth and cold sweatSmiling face with open mouth and cold sweatSmiling face with open mouth and cold sweat


congratulations to the rando new millionaires from this






Source:


Cliffs: Multi Billion Dollar Hedge Fund tries to short -meaning borrow and sell the stock, to buy back at a lower value and make profit on the difference- a stock.

Redditors buy the stock, and refuse to sell it to the Hedge Fund driving the price through the roof.

Multi Billion Dollar Hedge fund lost billions buying back stock.




Beta's thoughts:For better or worse, this is an example people power when it comes to the finance economy. I wonder how many coordinated efforts like this are going to bring Multi-Billion hedge funds to their knees, now that the cat is out of the bag?
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post 1629896283 01-27-2021, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted By BetaAsPhuck


wow, That's a damn smart PR move.
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post 1629896343 01-27-2021, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Destor
Can't you buy with a lower % in the US? We can put down 5% as a first-time home buyer in Canada. With interest rates at current levels, you'd honestly be silly to not put down the lowest % and use the spare cash for almost anything else


Bam you have a down payment within a year. I graduated in 2014 and built a new $480k house by 2015
It depends on the cost of your home. If it's really expensive (Jumbo) in the US, lenders are taking a bigger risk so they require 20% down in most all cases.

If your house cost isn't Jumbo, you don't have to put 20% down. That being said, lenders are taking on a bigger risk with people who don't have down payment money (more likely to default) so often times they'll charge you an additional monthly "insurance" fee for not having 20%, basically just money to help them cover their extra risk for not having a down payment, but yes you don't have to put money down in all cases.


That being said, it's usually financially smarter to put 20% down in the US because the fee you pay for extra insurance if you don't have 20% means you'll pay more in the long run.

The way you factor that is basically... like this. "If my 20% down payment of $100,000 would earn more in the stock market if I choose to put 0% down, than the fee I'd be paying for insurance, then it's smarter for me to invest that $100k and just pay the insurance fee", however the fee actually usually costs more than your money would earn if invested, therefore better to just pay the 20% down if you can.
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Who's dumping amc and nokia? Weak handed cucks, buying more tom
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Originally Posted By moosik85
Fuk off *******

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Things of value are only getting harder to obtain while things that waste time and take value are getting cheaper.

Look at we are witnessing now. Multiple billion dollar hedge funds got caught selling more shares than there is in existence with money that doesn’t exist and the establishment is closing ranks to keep the farce going.
You... you understand inflation right? Inflation means everything gets more expensive over time. It's a natural cycle of any economy that relies on credit and lending. Every advanced society requires credit and lending for reasons I can get into if you want, it's like saying a house needs a foundation. So therefore, every economy around the globe naturally will have inflation. On the chart you literally linked, food, housing, phones, a car, a computer, all of those lines are actually less expensive relative to the average income line. Notice how the income line isabovethose essential needs? Those are the bulk of needed items. Even toys, entertainment and things like that are now less expensive.

More lines are actually cheaper and below the rise of incomes, which is a good thing. The primary things above are healthcare, and college costs.

College is an investment, though it needs to be fixed, as does healthcare. However, let's not forget that if you don't make enough money, you can often get 100% covered medical and dental insurance, as in have the surgery you need, the doctor visits you need, the dental care you need all 100% paid for, every penny. Those are often provided by states, not federal budgets.



Basically, your bitter sentiment and post didn't match your own data and link you provided. Again, you aren't some victim in some corrupt culture, you're better off as an American than most humans around the glove.


Last, shorting exists, it's legal, and the currency does exist. Currency doesn't need to exist in physical form for it to exist. I think you're over your head and don't understand what you're talking about. Drop the victim mentality.
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Originally Posted By Imaneya
Loving this chit. Even though a lot of retail brahs are going to get fuked along with the suits when this reverses.

Shorts are still above 130% though, so them boys lying about covering their puts. Next couple of days are going to be wild.
Is there a centralized place with the latest detail on this for a given stock?
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Who is going to be buying the shares come Friday though? So everyone is holding until Friday because that's when the borrowed shares have to be returned, and the price is going to skyrocket even further.

But how is everyone going to cash in at the same time? No one will actually be buying the worthless shares on D-Day at the massively inflated prices, right?
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Originally Posted By umop3pisdn
Who is going to be buying the shares come Friday though? So everyone is holding until Friday because that's when the borrowed shares have to be returned, and the price is going to skyrocket even further.

But how is everyone going to cash in at the same time? No one will actually be buying the worthless shares on D-Day at the massively inflated prices, right?
In for answers
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
The hedge funds that shorted
So Friday will be a mad rush to sell? And the prices plummet back down?

Edit: or assume the majority holds and they can’t cover their shares? Then what? They go bankrupt? Or do they have to pay penalties and continue to try to buy back shares for their short?
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I’m getting in at market open tomorrow. Put 2k each into GME, NOK, BBBY, AMC, and SPCE

A little diversification. Whatever, I can make it back.

Last chance to get in.
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Originally Posted By Coach
So Friday will be a mad rush to sell? And the prices plummet back down?

Edit: or assume the majority holds and they can’t cover their shares? Then what? They go bankrupt? Or do they have to pay penalties and continue to try to buy back shares for their short?
The goal is to hold but people will inevitably sell.
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey
A lot of people just want enough to not have to work 40 hours a week till their 60. Lol at bigger TVs and better computers
most people just want to watch netflix and porn and not be bothered with work
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Originally Posted By umop3pisdn
Who is going to be buying the shares come Friday though? So everyone is holding until Friday because that's when the borrowed shares have to be returned, and the price is going to skyrocket even further.

But how is everyone going to cash in at the same time? No one will actually be buying the worthless shares on D-Day at the massively inflated prices, right?
the theory is the short positions will be the one buying that day. They will buy at whatever the asking price is on friday, because if they dont the consequences are even worse
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im in for a couple grand of AMC, NOK. if I lose it all it wont be a big deal. R/R and entertainment value for this is a no brainer
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Originally Posted By BigBallsMcgee
the theory is the short positions will be the one buying that day. They will buy at whatever the asking price is on friday, because if they dont the consequences are even worse
GME could go to $1000 just tomorrow. $5000+ on Friday
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Originally Posted By JayCutler6
im in for a couple grand of AMC, NOK. if I lose it all it wont be a big deal. R/R and entertainment value for this is a no brainer
Attaboy. Throw some in GME too. It’s not too late. Be a part of history.
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Originally Posted By umop3pisdn
Who is going to be buying the shares come Friday though? So everyone is holding until Friday because that's when the borrowed shares have to be returned, and the price is going to skyrocket even further.

But how is everyone going to cash in at the same time? No one will actually be buying the worthless shares on D-Day at the massively inflated prices, right?
They shorted over 100% of the stock, and it's still well over that.

This means they need tobuymore than 100%. They need to buy every single share and then some.

This is why WSB is saying youholduntil well after $1k/share. Because they have to buy at whatever price you sell at.

I did an AMC play today, but I'm going to throw $1k into GME tomorrow just as an F-U to Wall Street.

This is class warfare now.
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