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Originally Posted By ReyDelMundo⏩
Nothing yet but its coming.Sold, srs. Any news on their rabies vaccine?
And btw, you are the only one that I've seen accurately describe what occurred with Robinhood. Additionally, the open interest created a very dangerous situation where if certain markers got hit, there was the potential that RH would not have been able to deliver 100% of the shares depending on how many would have potentially been exercised had no brakes been put on.
It's not as sexy of a story as some big hedgefund robinhood scandal, but it's accurate. The sexier story with RH, Melvin, Citadel, etc., however is a good lesson to new investors that your friend is not necessarily your friend in these markets.
And btw, you are the only one that I've seen accurately describe what occurred with Robinhood. Additionally, the open interest created a very dangerous situation where if certain markers got hit, there was the potential that RH would not have been able to deliver 100% of the shares depending on how many would have potentially been exercised had no brakes been put on.
It's not as sexy of a story as some big hedgefund robinhood scandal, but it's accurate. The sexier story with RH, Melvin, Citadel, etc., however is a good lesson to new investors that your friend is not necessarily your friend in these markets.
And thanks.
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Originally Posted By cullenmichael34⏩
Listen to everything.I'm about to put everyone on mute but Optimist so that I can index his targets easier lmao. Really need to better wrap my head around things outside of the normal trading lanes i.e. SPACs, pennies and such
Trust nothing.
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The more you get experience? The more you will learn who is spitting BS and who is ok.
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Originally Posted By BroncManiac⏩
Think this is the norm for most people...its a biologically ingrained defense mechanism and once someone experiences this significant trauma they stop playing the market completely and that's why barely anyone makes it in this game.Dipped into this WSB/AMC craze on Thursday. Was up double and decided to hold. Next day had the trading halts and AMC plummeted below my entry. It’s a gut wrenching feeling to see your profits plummet and not be able to do anything about it. Quite stressful too. Sold for a little profit and got out. Not trying to deal with the BS. Got greedy and almost got burned. Will stick to safer moves that got me 60% gains this month. Slow and steady for me.
Stop letting emotions control your actions, stick to a game plan and havediscipline.
I'm down over 1k today but don'tfeelany different than I originally felt because I have aplan.
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Originally Posted By Camecha⏩
That is exactly why brokers like RH and TD restricted trading of GME NOK etc.How common is the use of margin among the average investor and is it generally a bad idea? I’ve already formed my own opinion which is to not use it, I just feel it’s kind of ridiculous I’m offered 4x buying power when I’m a relatively new investor, only been doing this a year. Must be commonly used if it is so flippantly offered
Under normal circumstances a brokerage can monitor a stocks fall and force a margin call if needed.
But when a stock is moving 100% up or down or more a day?
Caution needs to take place. Hence the restrictions.
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I asked in the other thread but I’ll repeat here if one of you kind brahs can answer. I normally play with crypto, however stocks, I’m a complete noob.
Similarly to the US, a lot of UK apps either stopped buying of GME or didn’t allow new registrations. One app of mine has finally cleared account verification so I can start buying. GME stock price is $316 currently, but obviously the market is closed. I’ve got money I’m not going to cry about losing, so would it be possible to buy now and lock in the current price so that when market opens Monday it triggers the buys at that price? Or would it be better to wait until Monday and buy after market opens? (Surely it’ll do what it did today and surge up initially right if I went with the latter though?)
Or am I just too late now? I’m assuming not considering the many people holding still.
Similarly to the US, a lot of UK apps either stopped buying of GME or didn’t allow new registrations. One app of mine has finally cleared account verification so I can start buying. GME stock price is $316 currently, but obviously the market is closed. I’ve got money I’m not going to cry about losing, so would it be possible to buy now and lock in the current price so that when market opens Monday it triggers the buys at that price? Or would it be better to wait until Monday and buy after market opens? (Surely it’ll do what it did today and surge up initially right if I went with the latter though?)
Or am I just too late now? I’m assuming not considering the many people holding still.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Repped with poverty reps. Any reason to switch from Fidelity to E*?Listen to everything.
Trust nothing.
Verify all.
The more you get experience? The more you will learn who is spitting BS and who is ok.
Trust nothing.
Verify all.
The more you get experience? The more you will learn who is spitting BS and who is ok.
Edit: considering TD as well because they seem to have the better platform w/ thinkorswim
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Originally Posted By dopamine72⏩
I can still remember when I first started to trade how I thought once a stock was going up, it would just keep going up and I would make $1 million.Think this is the norm for most people...its a biologically ingrained defense mechanism and once someone experiences this significant trauma they stop playing the market completely and that's why barely anyone makes it in this game.
Stop letting emotions control your actions, stick to a game plan and havediscipline.
I'm down over 1k today but don'tfeelany different than I originally felt because I have aplan.
Stop letting emotions control your actions, stick to a game plan and havediscipline.
I'm down over 1k today but don'tfeelany different than I originally felt because I have aplan.
Greed is the mind killer.
A great way to trade is if a stock is going up, take out your original investment if up enough and ride the rest of the shares for free. That is a great way to get in the mindset that a profit...any profit...is a good thing. Never get greedy.
Yes you may miss out on a few stocks that go up another 300% (hell I left another $600 K on the table with MITI), but in the long run it will save you.
For example. MEDH this week. I had bought 3 M shares around .011 last week. It went up to .018ish this week and I was able to sell 2.5 M and make $20 K or so.
Now I could have let it ride but I didn't feel the time was quite right for the stock. So I sold it all and was able to buy back most of it around 013 yesterday and today and it finished back up at .017 and I am already up another $15 k on the rebuy instead of still having my original shares.
So I made an extra $15 k.
I love that kind of stuff. It is good, and smart trading.
A $1 profit is better than any loss.
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Originally Posted By Matty5RA⏩
No.I asked in the other thread but I’ll repeat here if one of you kind brahs can answer. I normally play with crypto, however stocks, I’m a complete noob.
Similarly to the US, a lot of UK apps either stopped buying of GME or didn’t allow new registrations. One app of mine has finally cleared account verification so I can start buying. GME stock price is $316 currently, but obviously the market is closed. I’ve got money I’m not going to cry about losing, so would it be possible to buy now and lock in the current price so that when market opens Monday it triggers the buys at that price? Or would it be better to wait until Monday and buy after market opens? (Surely it’ll do what it did today and surge up initially right if I went with the latter though?)
Or am I just too late now? I’m assuming not considering the many people holding still.
Similarly to the US, a lot of UK apps either stopped buying of GME or didn’t allow new registrations. One app of mine has finally cleared account verification so I can start buying. GME stock price is $316 currently, but obviously the market is closed. I’ve got money I’m not going to cry about losing, so would it be possible to buy now and lock in the current price so that when market opens Monday it triggers the buys at that price? Or would it be better to wait until Monday and buy after market opens? (Surely it’ll do what it did today and surge up initially right if I went with the latter though?)
Or am I just too late now? I’m assuming not considering the many people holding still.
US stocks trade from 7 AM eastern to 9:30 AM pre market, 9:30 to 4 PM regular market, and 4 PM to 8 PM after market. Monday through Friday.
OTC stocks (penny stocks) trade from 9:30 AM to 4 PM Eastern Mon through Friday. No pre or after market action.
01-29-2021, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Pre market starts at 4am.No.
US stocks trade from 7 AM eastern to 9:30 AM pre market, 9:30 to 4 PM regular market, and 4 PM to 8 PM after market. Monday through Friday.
OTC stocks (penny stocks) trade from 9:30 AM to 4 PM Eastern Mon through Friday. No pre or after market action.
US stocks trade from 7 AM eastern to 9:30 AM pre market, 9:30 to 4 PM regular market, and 4 PM to 8 PM after market. Monday through Friday.
OTC stocks (penny stocks) trade from 9:30 AM to 4 PM Eastern Mon through Friday. No pre or after market action.
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Originally Posted By Heaney⏩
Pacific. Not eastern. At least here in the US.Pre market starts at 4am.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Is the no in response to whether the current price (now $313) would be locked in if I made a market order now, or no in that I’m not too late to buy?No.
US stocks trade from 7 AM eastern to 9:30 AM pre market, 9:30 to 4 PM regular market, and 4 PM to 8 PM after market. Monday through Friday.
OTC stocks (penny stocks) trade from 9:30 AM to 4 PM Eastern Mon through Friday. No pre or after market action.
US stocks trade from 7 AM eastern to 9:30 AM pre market, 9:30 to 4 PM regular market, and 4 PM to 8 PM after market. Monday through Friday.
OTC stocks (penny stocks) trade from 9:30 AM to 4 PM Eastern Mon through Friday. No pre or after market action.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
It starts at 4am EST.Pacific. Not eastern. At least here in the US.
"Pre-Market and After Hours Trading
Webull allows you to trade between the hours of 4am to 8pm EST."
"Trading Hours
PRE-OPENING SESSION: 3:30 A.M. ET
Limit orders can be entered and will be queued until the Limit Order Auction at 4 a.m. ET
OPENING SESSION: 4:00 A.M. TO 9:30 A.M. ET
3:59 a.m. to 4:00 a.m. ET - Opening Auction Freeze Period
4:00 a.m. ET - Opening Auction
9:29 a.m. to 9:30 a.m. ET - Market Order Freeze Period
9:30 a.m. ET - Market Order Auction"
https://www.nyse.com/markets/nyse-arca/market-info
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Originally Posted By Matty5RA⏩
Do NOT place a market order!!!!!Is the no in response to whether the current price (now $313) would be locked in if I made a market order now, or no in that I’m not too late to buy?
Wait until the US pre market opens up at 7 AM eastern US and see how it goes.
The regular market will open at 9:30 eastern.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Roger that. What would happen if I did a market order now? Would it trigger the price it’s at at the start of when regular market opens?Do NOT place a market order!!!!!
Wait until the US pre market opens up at 7 AM eastern US and see how it goes.
The regular market will open at 9:30 eastern.
Wait until the US pre market opens up at 7 AM eastern US and see how it goes.
The regular market will open at 9:30 eastern.
I fully understand these probably sound like retard questions to you guys.
This is what I’m presented with if I try to buy:

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Originally Posted By Heaney⏩
Earliest I can buy is 7 AM eastern with my brokers, which is 4 AM Pacific. I know there is a 4 AM trading period for a few sketchy brokers, but I would never buy before 7 AM, and being honest 8 AM eastern is a good time to wait until. Otherwise you are literally trading blind.It starts at 4am EST.
"Pre-Market and After Hours Trading
Webull allows you to trade between the hours of 4am to 8pm EST."
"Pre-Market and After Hours Trading
Webull allows you to trade between the hours of 4am to 8pm EST."
For example with Etrade and TD you can't trade until 7 AM. Anything before that is basically the grey sheets....IE no market makers and no regulation.
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Originally Posted By Matty5RA⏩
Market order makes you pay whatever the lowest ask is so you can eat a dik from people putting up huge asks hoping to catch a market order sucker.Roger that. What would happen if I did a market order now? Would it trigger the price it’s at at the start of when regular market opens?
I fully understand these probably sound like retard questions to you guys.
This is what I’m presented with if I try to buy:

I fully understand these probably sound like retard questions to you guys.
This is what I’m presented with if I try to buy:

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Originally Posted By Matty5RA⏩
You would buy at the market open at 9:30 AM. Whatever that opening price is.Roger that. What would happen if I did a market order now? Would it trigger the price it’s at at the start of when regular market opens?
I fully understand these probably sound like retard questions to you guys.
This is what I’m presented with if I try to buy:

I fully understand these probably sound like retard questions to you guys.
This is what I’m presented with if I try to buy:

Don't do that.
Wait and see and place a limit order at the open.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
I don't know what to tell you, I can only trade starting at 7am too but you are able to trade with IB and WeBull starting at 4am EST per the NYSE site.Earliest I can buy is 7 AM eastern with my brokers, which is 4 AM Pacific. I know there is a 4 AM buy period for a few sketchy brokers, but I would never buy before 7 AM, and being honest 8 AM eastern is a good time to wait until. Otherwise you are literally trading blind.
For example with Etrade and TD you can't trade until 7 AM. Anything before that is basically the grey sheets....IE no market makers and no regulation.
For example with Etrade and TD you can't trade until 7 AM. Anything before that is basically the grey sheets....IE no market makers and no regulation.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
And being honest? I would not be buying GME at any price at the open Monday.You would buy at the market open at 9:30 AM. Whatever that opening price is.
Don't do that.
Wait and see and place a limit order at the open.
Don't do that.
Wait and see and place a limit order at the open.
You are buying a stock that just 2 weeks ago was at $15. Why take a risk like that?
The path of easiest resistance is down, not up. This is all hype. Zero fundamentals.
Find a stock that you like that hasn't gone up 2000% yet and build a position.
But don't let me tell you what to do.
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Originally Posted By Heaney⏩
Yes. What they are doing is matching trades. Like the grey sheets for penny stocks. There is no market maker, no regulation. Just matching trades like buying a product with a bid on Ebay.I don't know what to tell you, I can only trade starting at 7am too but you are able to trade with IB and WeBull starting at 4am EST per the NYSE site.
Not recommended.
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Originally Posted By Heaney⏩
Market order makes you pay whatever the lowest ask is so you can eat a dik from people putting up huge asks hoping to catch a market order sucker.
Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Cheers guys.You would buy at the market open at 9:30 AM. Whatever that opening price is.
Don't do that.
Wait and see and place a limit order at the open.
Don't do that.
Wait and see and place a limit order at the open.
So to check I’ve got this right, don’t do anything until I’ve seen what the price is come 9.30am market open, if the price goes up to say 360 (random figure), put a limit order of say 365 so that I won’t get fleeced?
If that’s the case, could I not just set a limit order now at say 320 and then hope it triggers Monday?
I still don’t understand what pre market is and how it affects regular market.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Yeh that’s fair, it’s why I’ve not loaded any money on to the app yet, I’ve not fully decided if I will, mainly because of my limited knowledge on stocks and these sort of markets.And being honest? I would not be buying GME at any price at the open Monday.
You are buying a stock that just 2 weeks ago was at $15. Why take a risk like that?
The path of easiest resistance is down, not up. This is all hype. Zero fundamentals.
Find a stock that you like that hasn't gone up 2000% yet and build a position.
But don't let me tell you what to do.
You are buying a stock that just 2 weeks ago was at $15. Why take a risk like that?
The path of easiest resistance is down, not up. This is all hype. Zero fundamentals.
Find a stock that you like that hasn't gone up 2000% yet and build a position.
But don't let me tell you what to do.
As I said, I’m all about crypto, 24/7 market, with spreads I understand along with some understanding of TA, so I’ve been doing pretty good with that.
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Originally Posted By Matty5RA⏩
Correct. And don't be afraid to put an order in for lower than the opening bell price, whatever that is.Cheers guys.
So to check I’ve got this right, don’t do anything until I’ve seen what the price is come 9.30am market open, if the price goes up to say 360 (random figure), put a limit order of say 365 so that I won’t get fleeced?
If that’s the case, could I not just set a limit order now at say 320 and then hope it triggers Monday?
I still don’t understand what pre market is and how it affects regular market.
So to check I’ve got this right, don’t do anything until I’ve seen what the price is come 9.30am market open, if the price goes up to say 360 (random figure), put a limit order of say 365 so that I won’t get fleeced?
If that’s the case, could I not just set a limit order now at say 320 and then hope it triggers Monday?
I still don’t understand what pre market is and how it affects regular market.
Stocks don't go straight up.

Don't enter any order now. Wait.
What is Pre-Market?
The pre-market is the period of trading activity that occurs before the regular market session. The pre-market trading session typically occurs between 8:00 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. EST each trading day. Many investors and traders watch the pre-market trading activity to judge the strength and direction of the market in anticipation for the regular trading session.
Understanding Pre-Market
Pre-market trading activity generally has limited volume and liquidity; therefore, large bid-ask spreads are common. Many retail brokers offer pre-market trading but may limit the types of orders that can be used during the pre-market period. Several direct-access brokers allow access to pre-market trading to commence as early at 4:00 a.m. EST from Monday through Friday.
It is important to remember there is very little activity for most stocks so early in the morning, unless there is news. The liquidity is also extremely thin, with most stocks only showing stub quotes. Index-based exchange-traded-funds (ETF), such as the SPDR S&P 500 ETF, have moving quotes due to the trading in the S&P 500 futures contracts. Many of the most widely held top holdings in benchmark indices may also get movement in the event of a significant gap up or down in the S&P 500 futures. Stocks such as Apple Inc. tend to get trades as early at 4:00 a.m. EST.1
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Originally Posted By Matty5RA⏩
Crypto is basically unregulated stock trading and open 24/7.Yeh that’s fair, it’s why I’ve not loaded any money on to the app yet, I’ve not fully decided if I will, mainly because of my limited knowledge on stocks and these sort of markets.
As I said, I’m all about crypto, 24/7 market, with spreads I understand along with some understanding of TA, so I’ve been doing pretty good with that.
As I said, I’m all about crypto, 24/7 market, with spreads I understand along with some understanding of TA, so I’ve been doing pretty good with that.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Man I’m a tard, checked my crypto app to check how I normally make trades and realised all my orders are limit, although I monitor the spread before I make a buy or sell, unless I’m happy I’ve made decent profit regardless and can sell whatever the ask, or whether the entry point is too juicy to miss (like after a correction). Guess market orders are just to ensure you get in/out quickly, but more likely to get rekt by the bid/ask.Correct. And don't be afraid to put an order in for lower than the opening bell price, whatever that is.
Stocks don't go straight up.
Don't enter any order now. Wait.
What is Pre-Market?
The pre-market is the period of trading activity that occurs before the regular market session. The pre-market trading session typically occurs between 8:00 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. EST each trading day. Many investors and traders watch the pre-market trading activity to judge the strength and direction of the market in anticipation for the regular trading session.
Understanding Pre-Market
Pre-market trading activity generally has limited volume and liquidity; therefore, large bid-ask spreads are common. Many retail brokers offer pre-market trading but may limit the types of orders that can be used during the pre-market period. Several direct-access brokers allow access to pre-market trading to commence as early at 4:00 a.m. EST from Monday through Friday.
It is important to remember there is very little activity for most stocks so early in the morning, unless there is news. The liquidity is also extremely thin, with most stocks only showing stub quotes. Index-based exchange-traded-funds (ETF), such as the SPDR S&P 500 ETF, have moving quotes due to the trading in the S&P 500 futures contracts. Many of the most widely held top holdings in benchmark indices may also get movement in the event of a significant gap up or down in the S&P 500 futures. Stocks such as Apple Inc. tend to get trades as early at 4:00 a.m. EST.1
Stocks don't go straight up.

Don't enter any order now. Wait.
What is Pre-Market?
The pre-market is the period of trading activity that occurs before the regular market session. The pre-market trading session typically occurs between 8:00 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. EST each trading day. Many investors and traders watch the pre-market trading activity to judge the strength and direction of the market in anticipation for the regular trading session.
Understanding Pre-Market
Pre-market trading activity generally has limited volume and liquidity; therefore, large bid-ask spreads are common. Many retail brokers offer pre-market trading but may limit the types of orders that can be used during the pre-market period. Several direct-access brokers allow access to pre-market trading to commence as early at 4:00 a.m. EST from Monday through Friday.
It is important to remember there is very little activity for most stocks so early in the morning, unless there is news. The liquidity is also extremely thin, with most stocks only showing stub quotes. Index-based exchange-traded-funds (ETF), such as the SPDR S&P 500 ETF, have moving quotes due to the trading in the S&P 500 futures contracts. Many of the most widely held top holdings in benchmark indices may also get movement in the event of a significant gap up or down in the S&P 500 futures. Stocks such as Apple Inc. tend to get trades as early at 4:00 a.m. EST.1
E.g. I check coinbase before hand to see what the actual price of a coin is, then look at the ask price to make sure it’s not too far spread, then make a decision based on that. In the case below, over 2% would be a big no for me, I usually look for <1%.

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What crypto exchanges are you using? Working on activating Voyager, but years ago used to only use Poloniex and Coinbase.
And what do you think of Ripple? Sorry I know this isn't the Crypto thread, but sincerely think Ripple is at or near bottom resistance right now and if they make it through the suit they could rocket. (I am not sold that it is a "scam coin" like most people are saying just because of the amount in Escrow)
And what do you think of Ripple? Sorry I know this isn't the Crypto thread, but sincerely think Ripple is at or near bottom resistance right now and if they make it through the suit they could rocket. (I am not sold that it is a "scam coin" like most people are saying just because of the amount in Escrow)
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Originally Posted By cullenmichael34⏩
I use Lykke, it has low fees and reasonable spreads. However I only deal with the main coins, a lot of the other coins aren’t listed on there and if they are, then there’s lower liquidity. As an Ameribrah I’d likely use Binance or Kraken. Fuk Coinbase.What crypto exchanges are you using? Working on activating Voyager, but years ago used to only use Poloniex and Coinbase.
And what do you think of Ripple? Sorry I know this isn't the Crypto thread, but sincerely think Ripple is at or near bottom resistance right now and if they make it through the suit they could rocket. (I am not sold that it is a "scam coin" like most people are saying just because of the amount in Escrow)
And what do you think of Ripple? Sorry I know this isn't the Crypto thread, but sincerely think Ripple is at or near bottom resistance right now and if they make it through the suit they could rocket. (I am not sold that it is a "scam coin" like most people are saying just because of the amount in Escrow)
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Originally Posted By luckyboy23⏩
I bought 2000 shares at 10.00AMD is a sleeper. I rode the wave from $55 to $90 and some change. Once it breaks the $100 barrier it's going to take off. Book that.
Not a stock you're gonna make a fast buck on though.
Not a stock you're gonna make a fast buck on though.
Sold at 17. all those gains missed\:
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Originally Posted By Heaney⏩
This. I live in NEW YORKPre market starts at 4am.
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Ameritrade wouldn't let any new options trade to open today on GME. I watched it drop, put in a quick option order on the 350's and got rejected. Would've 3x'd in 30 seconds. Fuaaarrrk these brokers. But I was slow and steady anyway. Made $250 on TSLA calls even though it dropped hard today. Got in a $900 call for next week at close.
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