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post 1630208073 01-31-2021, 05:02 PM
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Anyone here buy land then build a house instead of buying one already made?

If so what advice/tips would you give? Thinking of going that route since there aren’t many houses on the market right now.
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Have it built right, don’t cheap out on windows and doors. Prior to sheetrocking the walls put a layer of osb up then Sheetrock outside of it for better insulation, sound proofing and so you’re able to hang anything on your walls anywhere you’d like without having to hunt for studs. Build a walkout basement. If you build decks make at least one that’s able to be completely enclosed. These are off the top of my head, will post more as it comes to me.
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This is what I would like to do as well, so In for advice.
Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
Have it built right, don’t cheap out on windows and doors. Prior to sheetrocking the walls put a layer of osb up then Sheetrock outside of it for better insulation, sound proofing and so you’re able to hang anything on your walls anywhere you’d like without having to hunt for studs. Build a walkout basement. If you build decks make at least one that’s able to be completely enclosed. These are off the top of my head, will post more as it comes to me.
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Doing it right now. Should be finished by June or so. We wanted to buy a house but hardly any houses on the market here.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
If so what advice/tips would you give? Thinking of going that route since there aren’t many houses on the market right now.
My wife and I started building a house last spring and will finally start moving in next week. The whole process has had plenty of highs and lows. With our house being a truly custom house, (I worked on a lot of the floor plan), it has been alot of work. You never realize how much thought process and time you can put into choosing all the details (paint, trim, windows, doors, mirrors, gutters, cabinets, hardware, tile, landscaping, etc, etc, etc....). Start picking out things as soon as you can in the process because you often need to make a call quicker then you may like depending on how well your builder keeps you informed on schedule. The most important thing you can do is spend a lot of time choosing your builder. You don’t want to end picking someone that you have to constantly look over there shoulder or get in arguments about how things are done or the quality of their subs. I’m currently about 50/50 on whether we did the right thing on building lol. On one hand we got a house that was pretty darn close to everything we wanted, however that all came at a cost. We’ve ended up spending quite a bit then we originally planned for with various upgrades, pool, and fully landscaping an acre of our lot. It’s also much more expensive to build new in my area then it is to buy existing. Labor and material costs have gone up quite a bit over the last few years and you will pay for it.
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I did this 10 years ago and literally used every trade buddy I knew to complete the place, was a cool experience and even better if you can do a lot of it yourself or with friends.
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Do u plan on building it yourself, hiring your own contractors etc? Or plan on interviewing/hiring an architecture firm?
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
Have it built right, don’t cheap out on windows and doors. Prior to sheetrocking the walls put a layer of osb up then Sheetrock outside of it for better insulation, sound proofing and so you’re able to hang anything on your walls anywhere you’d like without having to hunt for studs. Build a walkout basement. If you build decks make at least one that’s able to be completely enclosed. These are off the top of my head, will post more as it comes to me.
That OSB thing is stupid advice. (srs)

Built 100's of homes, designed even more. Built a few for myself this being the current one.

Vid below that the one I built for myself 20 years ago.

Building your own home is not for the light of heart. For many people, they dont save any money because they make too many mistakes and overspend on things because of lack of experience.
If building is not your thing, hire a good contractor and do a FIXED price contract based upon detailed specs.





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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
That OSB thing is stupid advice. (srs)

Built 100's of homes, designed even more. Built a few for myself this being the current one.

Vid below that the one I built for myself 20 years ago.

Building your own home is not for the light of heart. For many people, they dont save any money because they make too many mistakes and overspend on things because of lack of experience.
If building is not your thing, hire a good contractor and do a FIXED price contract based upon detailed specs.





Yeah the houses you build are slightly more upscale than the 3 bed, 2 bath numbers that I have built for the workers. If I was going for something like what you’ve built I’d be a lot more picky than above, assumed OP was looking for basic beginners advice. First house I owned at 22 was a double wide trailer house, did the osb thing when I redid the walls and loved it, but once again, trailer house.
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Did exactly that.

Your contractors will lie to you. They are liars. Do not trust anything they say. Let them know you know they are liars. Tell them to shut the **** up and get to work and stop over charging you.

It was their fault they underbid, and no, cash under the table isn’t the appropriate way to make up the difference.

I need you to understand what I’m saying man. Do not look at them as human beings. Intentionally suppress any empathy you may have for whatever bs sob story/excuses they have.

Know what you want, articulate it, and ensure a mutual understanding, then stay on that point with them. Don’t deviate at all.

Simply do not extend any amount of trust to them.

It really sucks that is the way it is, but it do be.
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In for advice. Planning to buy 10ish acres in TN and build there in the next couple years srs
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Just submitted my building plans on a 6000sq foot house on a 5 acre property. Property was just assessed at 1.7 million without a house.

Might make a progress thread for fun, and to share insight into the process

I'm the general contractor for the build.


Plot twist: I've never built or renovated a house before. As with everything I do....... Learn as I go.

Disclaimer: Do not do what I'm doing. It's extremely stupid. I have very high risk tolerance and have no problem taking this on.
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
Yeah the houses you build are slightly more upscale than the 3 bed, 2 bath numbers that I have built for the workers. If I was going for something like what you’ve built I’d be a lot more picky than above, assumed OP was looking for basic beginners advice. First house I owned at 22 was a double wide trailer house, did the osb thing when I redid the walls and loved it, but once again, trailer house.
Both the homes I posted that I built for myself are a lot more than they appear. The video of the one I built 20 years ago was full ICF (insulated concrete form). It was 8500 heated sqft ft and only had a 200$/ month utility bill.


The current home, I used a staggered stud 8" walls, with full envelope foam (roof and walls). Worked with an energy consultant, and for almost 9000 heated sqft, it uses only 3.6 tons of cooling on a 95 degree day. About the same as an average 2500 sqft home

I like building things a little outside the box.

But for clients I have built everything from 2500 sqft homes to 20,000. Spent almost 20 years in the field, now I design full time. Got sick of the rat race and having 30+ employees.

But again, I would say your advice is stupid about the OSB. If you are in the field, what are the two standard jamb sizes for windows and doors? One you answer that, you will know why your suggestion is dumb.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
If building is not your thing, hire a good contractor and do a FIXED price contract based upon detailed specs.
This

I spent a lot of time putting together a full build spec sheet for the builders to quote off of. For one, to make sure the 2 builders I chose to bid were quoting apples to apples and for another to ensure I had something to fall back on in case there were any disagreements in the future about "extras" and "change orders". Even with my builder who I consider to be middle of the road now, I was amazed at how sorry some of the subs and workers can be. It's sad to think how many people can easily get taken advantage of in the process that lack knowledge in construction or just assume the builders and other contractors always have their best interest at heart.
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Originally Posted By areyoucereal⏩
Just submitted my building plans on a 6000sq foot house on a 5 acre property. Property was just assessed at 1.7 million without a house.

Might make a progress thread for fun, and to share insight into the process

I'm the general contractor for the build.


Plot twist: I've never built or renovated a house before. As with everything I do....... Learn as I go.

Disclaimer: Do not do what I'm doing. It's extremely stupid. I have very high risk tolerance and have no problem taking this on.
Are you cereal?
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Originally Posted By Blasting⏩
Are you cereal?
Dead cereal.

You can learn anything as you go if you're not a sissy.
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Originally Posted By areyoucereal⏩
Dead cereal.

You can learn anything as you go if you're not a sissy.
Good luck. Seen many people over the past 20 years fail. Most dont even know they have failed. Like do you know how far off a toilet flange sits off a wall so when you are supervising your framers that they dont put joists right next to your toilet? With poor quality labor, the framers wont, but the plumber knows when he drills down and hits your TJI which requires you to get a 250 letter from your engineer for the notched chord and the $500 trip for your framer to come back and block off and header the joist.

I have been involved in FIXING many homes over the years that very smart, successful people felt they could build. There used to even be a company that would claim to help people. I can think of several Dr's, even the CEO of a company who's company is big enough to buy a super bowl commercial. They all failed miserably. In the end, they paid more than it would have cost time to hire a good contractor in the first place.

Not to mention, you probably do well in your day job. The time away has an 'opportunity cost'. Consider twice what your true value is. My guess is the first timer, AT BEST will save 10% on a home building it themselves as a FULL TIME job. A good builder has a 25-30% GROSS margin which gets whittled down to 12-17% after unknowns on the net side.

If you attempt to do it, good luck. But I have seen most fail. I know...I know...you are the one that can do it. Good luck. Consider what your time is worth.
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Originally Posted By areyoucereal⏩
Dead cereal.

You can learn anything as you go if you're not a sissy.
Yeah man, I’ve built plenty of things I’ve never built before using tools I’ve never used before. I always regret something I did on the project. Can’t even imagine how many things I’d regret on a 6000 square foot home.

Also, you got a loan as your own contractor? Seems like a pretty risky financial move form a banks point of view.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
Both the homes I posted that I built for myself are a lot more than they appear. The video of the one I built 20 years ago was full ICF (insulated concrete form). It was 8500 heated sqft ft and only had a 200$/ month utility bill.


The current home, I used a staggered stud 8" walls, with full envelope foam (roof and walls). Worked with an energy consultant, and for almost 9000 heated sqft, it uses only 3.6 tons of cooling on a 95 degree day. About the same as an average 2500 sqft home

I like building things a little outside the box.

But for clients I have built everything from 2500 sqft homes to 20,000. Spent almost 20 years in the field, now I design full time. Got sick of the rat race and having 30+ employees.

But again, I would say your advice is stupid about the OSB. If you are in the field, what are the two standard jamb sizes for windows and doors? One you answer that, you will know why your suggestion is dumb.
I’m not in the field bro, I’m a cattle rancher, I pay guys in the field to make things work for me.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
That OSB thing is stupid advice. (srs)

Built 100's of homes, designed even more. Built a few for myself this being the current one.

Vid below that the one I built for myself 20 years ago.

Building your own home is not for the light of heart. For many people, they dont save any money because they make too many mistakes and overspend on things because of lack of experience.
If building is not your thing, hire a good contractor and do a FIXED price contract based upon detailed specs.





Mirin what did this project cost you minus the land?
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If hiring contractors youll have to watch their every moves
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
I’m not in the field bro, I’m a cattle rancher, I pay guys in the field to make things work for me.
Ok.... So you are giving out advice on something you know nothing about.... I get it.

The answer is 4 9/16. and 6 9/16 are standard jamb sizes. So you advice would require custom jambs on all windows and doors.

I am guessing you also give lots or workout and dieting advice also
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I haven’t done it myself but it’s next on my list.

I do know a little bit about the financing. You’ll need some cash as a down payment for the land. Lot loans are hard to come by these days depending on what state you’re in. The few banks that do them in my state have a balloon after 1 year so you’ll need to be ready to go with the build and convert it into a construction loan.

Talk to the other miscers in this thread about the actual details of the construction since I have no experience. But, like some have said you need to be sure you have everything fixed and make sure you find a good contractor. Otherwise you’ll still spend just as much building as you would buying. The building costs still generally reflect the market prices unless you do it smart.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
Ok.... So you are giving out advice on something you know nothing about.... I get it.

The answer is 4 9/16. and 6 9/16 are standard jamb sizes. So you advice would require custom jambs on all windows and doors.

I am guessing you also give lots or workout and dieting advice also
And so custom work is a bad thing? I’m not sure why you’re making such an issue out of this, custom work is the name of the game; anybody can slap together a cookie cutter house, I mean if that’s your thing.
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Originally Posted By SmillironS⏩
And so custom work is a bad thing? I’m not sure why you’re making such an issue out of this, custom work is the name of the game; anybody can slap together a cookie cutter house, I mean if that’s your thing.
Custom is great when it brings something worth it to the equation. It is a WASTE of money when you are bringing no VALUE to a project because you force yourself into it from stupid decisions.

You have zero idea of who you are speaking with. You cant BS me buddy. As for "custom", this is the set of stairs I built in my current home. Yes, I built them with my own hands.

Not only did I build them, I did it with wood that came from the trees that I cleared from the property. I cut them, dried them in a sea container, and used them for the treads. I did all the handrails myself also as well as the glass.

Is that "custom" enough for you. If not, below that are pictures of the stairs I built for my first home 20+ years ago. I did all the bent wood, and even did the steel fabrication of the bent rail. LikeIdid it. I did not pay someone.

Feel free to post up some of your custom work.


















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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
Custom is great when it brings something worth it to the equation. It is a WASTE of money when you are bringing no VALUE to a project because you force yourself into it from stupid decisions.

You have zero idea of who you are speaking with. You cant BS me buddy. As for "custom", this is the set of stairs I built in my current home. Yes, I built them with my own hands.

Not only did I build them, I did it with wood that came from the trees that I cleared from the property. I cut them, dried them in a sea container, and used them for the treads. I did all the handrails myself also as well as the glass.

Is that "custom" enough for you. If not, below that are pictures of the stairs I built for my first home 20+ years ago. I did all the bent wood, and even did the steel fabrication of the bent rail. LikeIdid it. I did not pay someone.

Feel free to post up some of your custom work.


















Nobody’s doubting your ability chief, but writing novels in response to basic questions is making me question your integrity as a contractor. Biggest tell of a con artist is using way more words than necessary and attempting to talk over the head of the person they’re pitching too. Read several other threads with people talking about their industry, specifically the stock market bro’s, none of them post over aggressive and largely unnecessary responses like you have done consistently ITT.
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Originally Posted By induced_drag⏩
Ok.... So you are giving out advice on something you know nothing about.... I get it.

The answer is 4 9/16. and 6 9/16 are standard jamb sizes. So you advice would require custom jambs on all windows and doors.

I am guessing you also give lots or workout and dieting advice also
if im ever wealthy enough can i hire you to contract a custom house for me(srs)
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