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Originally Posted By spirit750⏩
From my experience even the reduced recoil is some hard hitting stuff. I can't imagine that it's so soft it wouldn't cycle. "Reduced" is still thumping your shoulder harder than the average bird shot.
I figured so, but it even says on the box that it may not cycle recoil/gas operated shotguns
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Is it the 8 pellet stuff? It will run through my 11/87P. Barrel does have dual gas ports and I did lengthen the forcing cone.
Yeah it's 8 pellet. I have two "tactical" shotguns, a Citadel Boss 25 and a Black Aces Bullpup, haven't had a chance to break them in yet so I don't know how finicky they are. But they look cool. The Citadel has a changeable piston weight but I don't see any other way to adjust the gas on either.
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Originally Posted By gbullock32⏩
Need to be a lot more accurate, with the spray it's a mist/spray (obviously) so pretty much point and you'll hit your target. The gel you need to actually get a face shot pretty spot on, not an easy task really, but doable. Even if you miss the eyes, it will cause coughing and irritation and still burns a lot, so it will get most people to fck off even if you don't hit the face.

Always be aware of those around, anyone in a 10 or so foot radius is going to be mad, or anyone in the room you're in.

Tasers are also a consideration, either the stun gun type, or the hand held ones that do not shoot darts. They hurt like fck and depending on strength they cause loss of motor function for a moment, which means you can egress. Just beware of the cheap ones, they just hurt a lot and will only piss an actual attacker off more.

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That's what I go to now ^

That, the old Fox, or Sabre Red
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Farles do you have a good vendor other than Amazon? I don't trust buying stuff that's easily counterfeit (e.g. batteries, sprays, that kind of thing)
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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
Farles do you have a good vendor other than Amazon? I don't trust buying stuff that's easily counterfeit (e.g. batteries, sprays, that kind of thing)
https://www.galls.com/defense-techno...ercent-formula

Actual LEO vendor, they can ship the 3oz to anyone (I think), larger ones need to be LEO (4oz or larger).
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Originally Posted By gbullock32⏩
https://www.galls.com/defense-techno...ercent-formula

Actual LEO vendor, they can ship the 3oz to anyone, larger ones need to be LEO (4oz or larger).
Cheers thanks Bullock.

Other than a lot of exposure to tear gas, my only experience with pepper spray was ~20 years ago, spraying someone with the gas station generic stuff. I stopped carrying it after that since it didn't seem to slow this guy down at all but I'm guessing there are different formulations that are effective.

ETA: LAPG carries the larger sizes of the DefenseTech stuff in case anyone is looking. In general do you prefer the gel or foam for outdoor use?
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Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
Cheers thanks Bullock.

Other than a lot of exposure to tear gas, my only experience with pepper spray was ~20 years ago, spraying someone with the gas station generic stuff. I stopped carrying it after that since it didn't seem to slow this guy down at all but I'm guessing there are different formulations that are effective.

ETA: LAPG carries the larger sizes of the DefenseTech stuff in case anyone is looking. In general do you prefer the gel or foam for outdoor use?
Spray is a lot easier to get the effect, but it gets all over, the backsplash isn't too bad if you know it's coming (little eye/throat irritation, caugh) . Gel and foam stick better to the target, so getting it off is harder, but that's less important since you're GTFOing once you use it. I like spray since it's point and spray, fck everything in that direction.

Having been sprayed with all 3, the immediate effect is similar enough between all of them that it's moot. Washing off gel and foam sucked more.

As for larger, realistically, assuming 1-2 attackers you wont need more if you hit. A little goes a long way; we are trained to use 6 second bursts at most and that is honestly enough unless the guys are really down for the cause. An average person will stop almost immediately. Not that I'd admit it, but any time I spray it's a whole can, fck it, we need to replace it after anyways.

Many cheap brands are either Mace (less potent it seems) or use lower OC concentration, or a mix of things that just burn and are not as effective. Genuine OC is what we use for a reason, sht works. We Also stick to the spray since accuracy of blast is a lot less important, and under stress that can help.
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post 1630635613 02-05-2021, 01:16 PM
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Yeah galls has been good for awhile. Local LE supply type stores are fairly common if you look around too and many will sell stuff like that to anybody. Sometimes LGS though they seem to usually have crap brands.

OC may or may not work on a particular person in a particular incidence. At the local PD the joke, and I'm sure it's national, is that OC only works on recruits and officers. You can watch all kinds of LE interaction vids and sometimes it drops them like the proverbial sack of potatoes, sometimes it just pisses them off, other times there is no discernible effect at all.'

I got hosed, eyes wide open and filled, with Sabre Red, and it ****ing sucked lol. I could still "Function" but it was not full capacity and after effects were a real PITA. After a brief combatives course I had to physically peel my eye open with one hand to discern shoot/no shoot target.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Yeah galls has been good for awhile. Local LE supply type stores are fairly common if you look around too and many will sell stuff like that to anybody. Sometimes LGS though they seem to usually have crap brands.

OC may or may not work on a particular person in a particular incidence. At the local PD the joke, and I'm sure it's national, is that OC only works on recruits and officers. You can watch all kinds of LE interaction vids and sometimes it drops them like the proverbial sack of potatoes, sometimes it just pisses them off, other times there is no discernible effect at all.'

I got hosed, eyes wide open and filled, with Sabre Red, and it ****ing sucked lol. I could still "Function" but it was not full capacity and after effects were a real PITA. After a brief combatives course I had to physically peel my eye open with one hand to discern shoot/no shoot target.
Had a friend in the academy have a bad reaction and his eyes swelled shut, they wouldn't even let him leave to go home and made him stay the night lol. Hits everyone differently, but in general works on most, even if it doesn't 'stop' someone, it will blind almost everyone which gives you a huge advantage.
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I have sprayed high strength military CS tear gas directly into someone's face, who laughed it off like it was Binaca breath spray. I also ended up spraying myself in the face with high strength pepper spray outside in the wind that came right back on me. I wouldn't count on any spray as a defensive device. While I'm waiting on my new CCW permit I've been working on knife skills, which I think is the best option short of slinging lead.

Also, fuk North Carolina. My permit expired when I moved up to NYC, and I couldn't renew since I didn't live there at the time. After moving back down, I had to take an 8 hour concealed carry class, have to get fingerprinted and medical checked all over again, and wait three months to get a damn appointment at the sheriff's office just to start the process. Fuk this liberal sh!tbag state. We are moving to south Florida in a few months anyway once I get my crap together. Going completely off the grid and digging our toes in the sand
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Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
I have sprayed high strength military CS tear gas directly into someone's face, who laughed it off like it was Binaca breath spray. I also ended up spraying myself in the face with high strength pepper spray outside in the wind that came right back on me. I wouldn't count on any spray as a defensive device. While I'm waiting on my new CCW permit I've been working on knife skills, which I think is the best option short of slinging lead.

Also, fuk North Carolina. My permit expired when I moved up to NYC, and I couldn't renew since I didn't live there at the time. After moving back down, I had to take an 8 hour concealed carry class, have to get fingerprinted and medical checked all over again, and wait three months to get a damn appointment at the sheriff's office just to start the process. Fuk this liberal sh!tbag state. We are moving to south Florida in a few months anyway once I get my crap together. Going completely off the grid and digging our toes in the sand
I think the reason we discussed OC was because it was non-lethal and would be better suited to more scenarios.
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Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
I have sprayed high strength military CS tear gas directly into someone's face, who laughed it off like it was Binaca breath spray. I also ended up spraying myself in the face with high strength pepper spray outside in the wind that came right back on me. I wouldn't count on any spray as a defensive device. While I'm waiting on my new CCW permit I've been working on knife skills, which I think is the best option short of slinging lead.

Also, fuk North Carolina. My permit expired when I moved up to NYC, and I couldn't renew since I didn't live there at the time. After moving back down, I had to take an 8 hour concealed carry class, have to get fingerprinted and medical checked all over again, and wait three months to get a damn appointment at the sheriff's office just to start the process. Fuk this liberal sh!tbag state. We are moving to south Florida in a few months anyway once I get my crap together. Going completely off the grid and digging our toes in the sand
The thing being, of course, a knife is lethal force and pepper spray is not, so neither replaces the other...
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Originally Posted By gbullock32⏩
I think the reason we discussed OC was because it was non-lethal and would be better suited to more scenarios.
That's fine, but don't just think it will drop somebody instantly like Hollywood and Lifetime Network likes to make you think.

Also, on a hot day in Atlanta, my brother's can of OC in his car exploded, and it was so bad he had to sell the car at a big loss. I believe it was Sabre.
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Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
That's fine, but don't just think it will drop somebody instantly like Hollywood and Lifetime Network likes to make you think.
I mean, I just said
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
OC may or may not work on a particular person in a particular incidence. At the local PD the joke, and I'm sure it's national, is that OC only works on recruits and officers. You can watch all kinds of LE interaction vids and sometimes it drops them like the proverbial sack of potatoes, sometimes it just pisses them off, other times there is no discernible effect at all.'
And of course as we just discussed, a pistol may not drop them either. What do people do after being shot with a handgun? Whatever they were doing before they were shot with a handgun.

Or...if you lose a knife fight, you die in the street. If you win a knife fight, you die in an ambulance
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
The thing being, of course, a knife is lethal force and pepper spray is not, so neither replaces the other...
At this point in 2021, can you describe a situation that will justify use of pepper spray but not a knife? What is the continuum of force at this point?

You can use a knife to disable arm tendons, biceps, etc. without being deadly force. You can also easily slash a carotid, jugular, femoral, etc. that is an instant bleed-out.
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If that rig ends up legit working will with all the ballistics, gps elevation, windage, and weather entered into the phone syciing with it.

And it’s not too gimmicky...


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Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
At this point in 2021, can you describe a situation that will justify use of pepper spray but not a knife? What is the continuum of force at this point?
Crazy person getting in your face and yelling, I could justify fearing my safety and using OC. I could not, in that scenario, justify deadly force without an imminent threat to me, which is far harder to prove.
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Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
At this point in 2021, can you describe a situation that will justify use of pepper spray but not a knife? What is the continuum of force at this point?
The vast majority of assaults, which are simple assaults, or whatever verbiage that jurisdiction used, which are in fact an assault (or a battery, verbiage varies etc),but not lethal force.


Are you, the lawyer, seriously asking me in what situation a use of force would be justified, without justifying lethal force?

Are you being serious right now??
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who did you hire
I plan on hiring my parents to let me hunt on their land over Thanksgiving. Might make it a longer trip than normal, hoping for 10 days instead of 3-5 like normal. They're kind enough to cook me meals, buy me booze, and do my laundry for $0.
Originally Posted By gbullock32⏩
Need to be a lot more accurate, with the spray it's a mist/spray (obviously) so pretty much point and you'll hit your target. The gel you need to actually get a face shot pretty spot on, not an easy task really, but doable. Even if you miss the eyes, it will cause coughing and irritation and still burns a lot, so it will get most people to fck off even if you don't hit the face.

Always be aware of those around, anyone in a 10 or so foot radius is going to be mad, or anyone in the room you're in.

Tasers are also a consideration, either the stun gun type, or the hand held ones that do not shoot darts. They hurt like fck and depending on strength they cause loss of motor function for a moment, which means you can egress. Just beware of the cheap ones, they just hurt a lot and will only piss an actual attacker off more.

EDIT:

Got this one for my Mom, it's reliable and you realistically wont need better than 1.3%, you can find some claiming up to 10% but I'd be warry of what actual actives they are using to reach that claim.

https://www.amazon.com/Defense-Techn.../dp/B005JJCENI
Valid point, that need for accuracy may be enough of a con to not go with it.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
The vast majority of assaults, which are simple assaults, or whatever verbiage that jurisdiction used, which are in fact an assault (or a battery, verbiage varies etc),but not lethal force.


Are you, the lawyer, seriously asking me in what situation a use of force would be justified, without justifying lethal force?

Are you being serious right now??
It seems like the rules have changed lately. I've dealt with some sh!t lately and gotten into more interactions in the past year than I have in the past 30 years. And I don't go looking for trouble. I had some fuk next to me at a bar in NYC getting crazy watching sportsball and yelling at everybody and everything, and I told him to stay the hell away from me. We were walking home and he was outside after getting kicked out of the bar and he stepped up. I gave him the best throat chop of my life, lights out and we just kept moving. Deadly force is pretty much prohibited in NYC so I got into the habit of figuring out other things.
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Originally Posted By gbullock32⏩
Had a friend in the academy have a bad reaction and his eyes swelled shut, they wouldn't even let him leave to go home and made him stay the night lol. Hits everyone differently, but in general works on most, even if it doesn't 'stop' someone, it will blind almost everyone which gives you a huge advantage.
All my operational experience with less than lethal was heavily based on availability. Like if you have gas, you use gas.

A lot of the time you don't have gas. No gas? Use rubber bullets.

Most of the time we didn't have rubber bullets either. In that case, the less than lethal response was a .22 from a suppressed Ruger 10/22 "birkayim lematta" or to the knee-down (so shoot them below the knee).

We never had those .22s available. The other option, which was literally always available, was a 5.56 round "birkayim lematta." 5.56 was always available
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Originally Posted By DualRectifier⏩
It seems like the rules have changed lately. I've dealt with some sh!t lately and gotten into more interactions in the past year than I have in the past 30 years. And I don't go looking for trouble. I had some fuk next to me at a bar in NYC getting crazy watching sportsball and yelling at everybody and everything, and I told him to stay the hell away from me. We were walking home and he was outside after getting kicked out of the bar and he stepped up. I gave him the best throat chop of my life, lights out and we just kept moving. Deadly force is pretty much prohibited in NYC so I got into the habit of figuring out other things.
Let's say in an alternate universe that happened in Georgia, and you used your knife instead of your hand. Let's say in another alternate universe that happened in Georgia and you used OC. Or in NY. Whatever. Basically anywhere.

I think we all know exactly how different those outcomes would be, practically and legally.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Let's say in an alternate universe that happened in Georgia, and you used your knife instead of your hand. Let's say in another alternate universe that happened in Georgia and you used OC. Or in NY. Whatever. Basically anywhere.

I think we all know exactly how different those outcomes would be, practically and legally.
Going for the throat in CA would in all likelihood be considered lethal force, just the way it goes. OC not the case, OC is 'safe' in most cases as a form of defense.
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Originally Posted By gbullock32⏩
Going for the throat in CA would in all likelihood be considered lethal force, just the way it goes. OC not the case, OC is 'safe' in most cases as a form of defense.
When I have officially seen OC listed on a use of force wheel, it slotted below a shove, and even farther below a strike. Like, presence, verbal, OC, light hands, heavy hands, baton not to head or neck, then all the lethals such as edged, baton to head or neck, firearms

OC is amazingly low because it sucks but the risk of actual injury from just being sprayed with OC is very low. It's there (you might fall, or walk into something, or rub your eyes and hurt them maybe), and it hurts, which of course is why it is a use of force, but as for how much force...not much
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Originally Posted By gbullock32⏩
Going for the throat in CA would in all likelihood be considered lethal force, just the way it goes. OC not the case, OC is 'safe' in most cases as a form of defense.
You ever take or give a brachial stun?
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post 1630642423 02-05-2021, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted By OfficerJimLahey⏩
You ever take or give a brachial stun?
Not on purpose. But yes.
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Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Let's say in an alternate universe that happened in Georgia, and you used your knife instead of your hand. Let's say in another alternate universe that happened in Georgia and you used OC. Or in NY. Whatever. Basically anywhere.

I think we all know exactly how different those outcomes would be, practically and legally.
If I am out with my wife, and anyone threatens or comes at her, I don't give a fuk. I will defend my family. Disregarding the pure liberal sh!tholes, which apparently now includes Georgia, this isn't the 1970s when these laws were written, when criminals just wanted your money or your watch. They just want to kill people now, for fun. I wouldn't have used a knife on the mad sports bar guy but there was no way he was getting near me or my wife. He was just a mad drunk ass hole. Not having been able to carry a gun legally for the past year and a half has changed my perspective. It really is about awareness, avoidance, de-escalation and get the hell outta there, before engaging. But I will do it if I need to.

BTW, the throat chop is the stunner, you gotta follow it up with a swing to the button, jaw or temple
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Originally Posted By OfficerJimLahey⏩
You ever take or give a brachial stun?
I believe also believe that if it resulted in loss of consciousness most states laws would consider it a use of lethal force...loss of consciousness being specifically called out as serious bodily harm by statute
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Originally Posted By gbullock32⏩
Not on purpose. But yes.
Details please, hon. When I was at FLETC there was a pause on doing it above 10%. Someone at another FLETC location had to go to the hospital after getting one. I was ok with missing out on it
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