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Originally Posted By DeputyDong5⏩
lol @ this room temp IQ British loser comparing the most desirable and prosperous country on this planet to his irrelevant little island chit-hole that exists in a centuries outdated Monarchy that nobody wants to live in. Enjoy all of the modern day conveniences that America has gifted the world, enjoy your busted British women, your bland food, and your 300 gloomy days a year. I will laugh from my 3k sq ft home in Texas.
Lmao why do some US bros get easily offended when their country is highlighted for whatever reason. I thought the whole "Can't take banter" notion was just a stereotype, but this place is changing my mind. Blimey. Relax with a gatorade and a corn dog bro. Hit me up when you're next in the UK (your observations are so unique, I'm guessing you have visited several times) and we can catch up with a pie and a pint.
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Originally Posted By TheBrentmeister⏩
Lmao why do some US bros get so easily offended when their country is highlighted for whatever reason. I thought the whole "Can't take banter" notion was just a stereotype, but this place is changing my mind. Relax with a gatorade and a corn dog bro.
I'm the rare occasion that has actually lived multiple years in the UK, and the US. You couldn't pay me to live in that utter **** hole again. Absolutely poverty on every level. The only plus was hopping on a fkn plane for cheap to see the rest of Europe worth visiting.
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Originally Posted By DeputyDong5⏩
The irony of this statement... if it wasn't for the US, you either wouldn't exist, or you'd be speaking Russian or German.

Remind us all again... which continent is it that was entirely responsible for both global conflicts that killed hundreds of millions? And which country was it that had to mop up the mess each time?
Which continent is it that is entirely responsible for the United States of America? Hurr durr

Sorry brah, your logic is retarded. Also, the Eastern front was a thing. We also got involved in the second world war late in the game. It wasn't a "save" you dipchit, it was a world war. Utter retard
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Originally Posted By DeputyDong5⏩
The irony of this statement... if it wasn't for the US, you either wouldn't exist, or you'd be speaking Russian or German.

Remind us all again... which continent is it that was entirely responsible for both global conflicts that killed 100M+ people? And which country was it that had to mop up the mess each time?
Can you explain how we went from talking about healthcare budgets today, to wars of 100 years ago..?
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Yep. This is another reason why some think Medicare for All might not wind up being so bad. And there may be savings from overall health to people that will help our economy and even offset the slight increase in spending it would be over the current status quo.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3106.html

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Originally Posted By Midi77⏩
I live very close to the Canadian border, if Canada has such great care, people wouldn't be coming down here in droves to get procedures. I imagine if the UK was to the north of the US, the same principle would apply.
Americans come to Canada for health care as well, it's almost like both systems have their pros and cons.

Canadians go to America for stuff like MRIs, elective surgeries that have a waiting list.

Americans goes to Canada for cheap prescription drugs like insulin and certain medical procedures that are too costly down there
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Originally Posted By LukeS1⏩
Having real trouble following your train of thought here


As a European I should be thankful the US government spends $300 on bottles of insulin, because they invaded Iraq and caused a mess in the Middle East?
Try this thought experiment.

What do you think would happen if the US pulled all of it's military assets back and said "Europe you're on your own in 5 years, we will not defend you if you are attacked."

Do you think your countries would not change their spending habits and continue on?

Do you think Russia/China would not try to take advantage of this situation and claim land?

Do you think your current military is good enough to defend yourself if Russia decided to invade EU countries?

How much money do you think it would take to build your armies up to have a fighting chance in those 5 years?

Where would this money be pulled from?
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Originally Posted By DeputyDong5⏩
I'm the rare occasion that has actually lived multiple years in the UK, and the US. You couldn't pay me to live in that utter **** hole again. Absolutely poverty on every level. The only plus was hopping on a fkn plane for cheap to see the rest of Europe worth visiting.
You're a very rude man. Where did you live?
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Originally Posted By DeputyDong5⏩
I'm the rare occasion that has actually lived multiple years in the UK, and the US. You couldn't pay me to live in that utter **** hole again. Absolutely poverty on every level. The only plus was hopping on a fkn plane for cheap to see the rest of Europe worth visiting.
Which parts of the UK did you live in?
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
Which parts of the UK did you live in?
Near Cambridge but I've seen the entire **** hole country. Scotland and Wales are more desirable IMO... the people there seem to be a lot less full of themselves.
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
Schools and roads shouldn't be gov repsonsibilities? u wot m9?
we had both before the government took the responsibility. And there is no reason why we can't have both without the government.
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Originally Posted By Sandmang27⏩
Try this thought experiment.

What do you think would happen if the US pulled all of it's military assets back and said "Europe you're on your own in 5 years, we will not defend you if you are attacked."

Do you think your countries would not change their spending habits and continue on?

Do you think Russia/China would not try to take advantage of this situation and claim land?

Do you think your current military is good enough to defend yourself if Russia decided to invade EU countries?

How much money do you think it would take to build your armies up to have a fighting chance in those 5 years?

Where would this money be pulled from?
Retard, why would we do that? It's in our interests to have a military presence and keep clawing at the border nations to join NATO or come under our sphere of influence.

You're concocting an argument with the basis that this is solely for the benefit of Western Europe.

Retard retard retard

Also, lol@ the idea that Russia would start invading Western Europe. Their economy is **** and relies on natural gas flowing there. You think a war is going to help? Not to mention Western Europe has multiple nuclear powers. Maybe stop watching CNN/FOX and getting your propaganda from stolen valor exposé youtubers. lmfao
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
we had both before the government took the responsibility. And there is no reason why we can't have both without the government.
there is absolutely nothing.... nothing that benefits from further government intervention.

people want medicare for all... look at the VA. The VA is less than 1% of the population and a complete and utter chit show.
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Originally Posted By Sandmang27⏩
Try this thought experiment.

What do you think would happen if the US pulled all of it's military assets back and said "Europe you're on your own in 5 years, we will not defend you if you are attacked."

Do you think your countries would not change their spending habits and continue on?

Do you think Russia/China would not try to take advantage of this situation and claim land?

Do you think your current military is good enough to defend yourself if Russia decided to invade EU countries?

How much money do you think it would take to build your armies up to have a fighting chance in those 5 years?

Where would this money be pulled from?
The US acts in its own interests

Where the **** were you when Argentina invaded our overseas territory thats right by you?
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[QUOTE=Sandmang27 post_id=1632227123]Wait, so you think making fun of them because the government failed them is an argument for more government under socialism?

[img]https://i.pinimg.com/originals/de/72/6f/de726f1404df8b0697c6b07300728ec3.gif[mg][/QUOTE]So when your ultra capitalist government fails you, the solution is have no government?
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Originally Posted By DeputyDong5⏩
there is absolutely nothing.... nothing that benefits from further government intervention.

people want medicare for all... look at the VA. The VA is less than 1% of the population and a complete and utter chit show.
Except for maybe people in poverty not having to worry about a ****ing ambulance ride before they're even seen.

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Nobody gets proper healthcare? I get a full workup from some of the most well-trained doctors in the world in 30 minutes for chump change.

America is not a place to live if you are poor or lower class, it's excellent for people that can afford it. No idea why Eurocels delude themselves that their "free" system is far superior because the cost comes out of their paycheck automatically instead of being paid when a service is rendered. Oh wow, I use the healthcare system and then pay for it, what a crazy concept, so backwards. Brb receiving subpar treatment and can't choose to opt out of the system even if I'm perfectly healthy. There is also no medical service I would travel elsewhere to get---if I have a major surgery or something I'm going to an American facility. But I guess Eurosmugs need something to cope with while they sit on their dreary islands locked inside their 500 square foot houses.
Originally Posted By LukeS1⏩
So when your ultra capitalist government fails you, the solution is have no government?
If you don't understand why "ultra capitalist government" is an oxymoron, you probably should stop talking about economics. Imagine calling the US government "ultra capitalist" rofl
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Look at this retard



It's a forum discussion you ********
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Originally Posted By Autumnal⏩
Nobody gets proper healthcare? I get a full workup from some of the most well-trained doctors in the world in 30 minutes for chump change.

America is not a place to live if you are poor or lower class, it's excellent for people that can afford it. No idea why Eurocels delude themselves that their "free" system is far superior because the cost comes out of their paycheck automatically instead of being paid when a service is rendered. Oh wow, I use the healthcare system and then pay for it, what a crazy concept, so backwards. Brb receiving subpar treatment and can't choose to opt out of the system even if I'm perfectly healthy. There is also no medical service I would travel elsewhere to get---if I have a major surgery or something I'm going to an American facility.
I think you have the wrong end of the stick here

Both the USA and UK have private healthcare systems, thats always an option for those able to pay



Im talking purely government expenditure here. Your gov spends more than ours, how can you justify that?
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Originally Posted By LukeS1⏩
I think you have the wrong end of the stick here

Both the USA and UK have private healthcare systems, thats always an option for those able to pay



Im talking purely government expenditure here. Your gov spends more than ours, how can you justify that?
The services and the professionals are largely better. There, justified.
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The US healthcare system is an embarrassment. The sheer number of middlemen squeezing profit out of us is flabbergasting.
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Originally Posted By Autumnal⏩
The services and the professionals are largely better. There, justified.
Private healthcare exists in these countries, which are largely better. Now what?
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Ngl healthcare is top notch when you do use it, but hurts to pay $990 for a family of 4 monthly, that i can't justify. Feels batman
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
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Originally Posted By DeputyDong5⏩
Near Cambridge but I've seen the entire **** hole country. Scotland and Wales are more desirable IMO... the people there seem to be a lot less full of themselves.
Yeah there are lots of nice areas to visit in Scotland and Wales. I like South-West England by the coast (i.e. Cornwall, Devon etc.) as well.
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Private healthcare exists in these countries, which are largely better. Now what?
You're just talking nonsense, as if reversing what I say is somehow a 'gotcha'. Yeah, there is really a UK equivalent of the Mayo Clinic or Cleveland Clinic or Johns Hopkins or Yale. Brb flying to the fking UK for my medical treatment, JFL. Also completely forgetting the part where your "free" healthcare is paid for automatically out of your check when you don't even use it. You having private healthcare you can also use when you need it has nothing to do with that. I have no issue paying for an XR when I get an XR. With the amount of Medicare abuse in this country I have no desire to subsidize even more government healthcare.
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Originally Posted By Autumnal⏩
You're just talking nonsense, as if reversing what I say is somehow a 'gotcha'. Yeah, there is really a UK equivalent of the Mayo Clinic or Cleveland Clinic or Johns Hopkins or Yale. Brb flying to the fking UK for my medical treatment, JFL.
Mayo Clinic are in the UK with Oxford University

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Originally Posted By Autumnal⏩
The services and the professionals are largely better. There, justified.
Around 15% of people have no coverage at all, people are regularly dying of preventable stuff. This is better how?

The reason you pay more is because of middle men
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier⏩
Retard, why would we do that? It's in our interests to have a military presence and keep clawing at the border nations to join NATO or come under our sphere of influence.

You're concocting and argument with the basis that this is solely for the benefit of Western Europe.

Retard retard retard

Also, lol@ the idea that Russia would start invading Western Europe. Their economy is **** and relies on natural gas flowing there. You think a war is going to help? Not to mention Western Europe has multiple nuclear powers.
Originally Posted By LukeS1⏩
The US acts in its own interests

Where the **** were you when Argentina invaded our overseas territory thats right by you?
Once again, strong reading comprehension by the 2 of you.

Are you seriously comparing the Argentina military to the Russian one? That war was over as soon as the British ships arrived, there was no need for anyone else to get involved and you had a massive advantage over them. They were cheering when they "invaded" a bunch of farmers but once the British navy showed up and fought back there was only 1 outcome.

I'll repeat myself 1 more time and that's all.

Yes, the US acts in it's own interests.

Yes, the US benefits greatly by having bases all over the world and keeping as much peace as possible.

Yes, the US does not do this out of the goodness of their hearts and does this all for very very selfish reasons.

BUT, a by-product of this is that European countries considered allies, Canada, South Korea, Israel, Japan, Australia etc. do not have to spend anywhere near as much money on their own militaries because they have the support of the US military.

And it's not like they don't need militaries. Russia, China, Iran, many middle eastern countries, many African countries are still hostile and the only reason they are not aggressively taking land is because of the US military.

Do you think South Korea could take on North Korea and China on it's own? Do you think Japan could? No, they can't. They have not been invaded simply because of the US.

And they are therefore able to spend money that would have gone to the military on other things.

Even with the strong US military Russia and China have taken land in the Ukraine and South China Sea so it's not like they wouldn't invade your countries if they had the chance. Or at least parts of Europe and Asia etc.

So by not having to build tanks, airplanes, aircraft carriers, drones etc etc to a point where you have a fighting chance against these hostile nations you save a lot of money. This money goes into your free healthcare and other socialist policies.

You would not have free healthcare or free uni or cheap insurance or cheap transportation if, like the US, you had no one to subsidize your military.

If the US wanted to implement policies like free healthcare or cheaper healthcare the money would have to come from somewhere. Let's say Canada balls the f out and creates the biggest military in the world that's twice the size of the US (somehow) then the US could therefore cut back massively on their military spending then they could easily afford free healthcare. See how that works?

I don't know how to make it any more clear.
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