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post 1632567333 02-28-2021, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted By p7nk⏩
don't feel bad for those people at all.. it's not like they were crossing the street minding their business.. They were on the side of a strip, somewhere they shouldn't of been" watching someone do something dangerous and illegal. nothing of value was lost that day, except maybe the car.
If that's the case, good riddance. Less trash on the streets.
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Originally Posted By WildBill112⏩
A better comparison would be that at a gun range in a semi-controlled setting someone fires a stray bullet and kills someone. This would probably end up with similar charges as this incident, because there's no intent to kill.
Nope. It would be more akin to someone hunting ducks with a shotgun at their local park and inveitably injuring a few people in the process.
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
Yeah this goes way beyond accident. People that enjoy cars hate people that take risks like this. Every moron that can't pick a time and place away from the rest of the world makes the rest of us look like reckless a$$holes.
We know you like cars and go to car meets. This does not reflect on you in any way. You don't have to defend yourself, brah.
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post 1632567803 02-28-2021, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted By nosirrahx⏩
Yeah this goes way beyond accident. People that enjoy cars hate people that take risks like this. Every moron that can't pick a time and place away from the rest of the world makes the rest of us look like reckless a$$holes.
So true. I’m not as big into them as I was for many years but we have a drag strip about 20 mins from here. Open on weekends and anyone who pays the $10 entry fee can race safely. Spent a lot of time there, it always pissed me off to see kids (or adults) street racing in public here when we have a strip for it.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
That would be easier to believe if he didn't drive 140 MPH+ for thrill seeking on a busy highway. Driving 140 MPH+ for thrills is an accident? What, was he being brainwashed by the little Red Devil on his shoulder?

This was NOT an "accident."
There's effectively no way this guy intended on wrecking at 140mph unless you can prove he was suicidal. The intent just isn't there.

Charge him with more than manslaughter and watch the charges fail in court.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Unpopular opinion: this is murder. Change the laws so we can start charging these people with murder. This is no different than if a guy got a gun and started randomly firing.
Agreed. Negligence is never an accident.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Not to mention in many states, if you participate in an armed robbery with someone, if that person kills the bank teller/security guard/anyone else, YOU also get charged with first degree murder even though you didn't "intend" to kill. It's like in Oklahoma a few years ago. 3 teens broke into some dude's house, so he shot and killed 2 of them. The third teen was charged with their murders as well as the robbery even though he didn't "wake up thinking 2 people were going to get killed."

There's a difference between going 10 MPH+ then swerving, and doing what the guy in the OP did.
Im sure intent does have a factor in your prison sentencing length though.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
There's effectively no way this guy intended on wrecking at 140mph unless you can prove he was suicidal. The intent just isn't there.

Charge him with more than manslaughter and watch the charges fail in court.
I know he won't be charged more with manslaughter. I think the laws should change. Extreme reckless behavior like this is murder. And if this guy wasn't intending on wrecking at going 140 MPH+ on a busy street, then he is lying.
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Originally Posted By chrsschb⏩
Agreed. Negligence is never an accident.
He's arguing its more than negligent homicide. Its not...its exactly negligent homicide.

Kinda reminds me of that time Hulk Hogan's kid crashed his supra racing in florida and lobotomized his friend, then got off basically scott free (8 months jail)
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
There's effectively no way this guy intended on wrecking at 140mph unless you can prove he was suicidal. The intent just isn't there.

Charge him with more than manslaughter and watch the charges fail in court.
this. he deserved to be in prison for 20 years at least but you can't say that's "murder" if he wasn't intending to kill them. but he's a dumbass and deserves no sympathy in court.
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Originally Posted By EagleOfWar⏩
So true. I’m not as big into them as I was for many years but we have a drag strip about 20 mins from here. Open on weekends and anyone who pays the $10 entry fee can race safely. Spent a lot of time there, it always pissed me off to see kids (or adults) street racing in public here when we have a strip for it.
There used to be an amateur track here in DFW. I believe it was a decommissioned airport. My father and his brother both had Corvettes- the old fiberglass ones.

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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
He's arguing its more than negligent homicide. Its not...its exactly negligent homicide.

Kinda reminds me of that time Hulk Hogan's kid crashed his supra racing in florida and lobotomized his friend, then got off basically scott free (8 months jail)
Wasn't his friend in the passenger seat?

Tbh I don't have much sympathy for that.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Wasn't his friend in the passenger seat?

Tbh I don't have much sympathy for that.
You're not wrong morally, don't think anyone disagrees with that.

Its just a blind spot in the legal system.
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post 1632568423 02-28-2021, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
He's arguing its more than negligent homicide. Its not...its exactly negligent homicide.

Kinda reminds me of that time Hulk Hogan's kid crashed his supra racing in florida and lobotomized his friend, then got off basically scott free (8 months jail)
I think it's situational, a 17 year old speeding at 130mph in their parents car and crashes is not the same as a grown adult who has had time to mature and still willingly does something so incredibly reckless.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
You're not wrong morally, don't think anyone disagrees with that.

Its just a blind spot in the legal system.
If you want to kill people and get away with it, use a car. This needs to change.

Text drivers are also garbage.
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Originally Posted By rectifryer⏩
He's arguing its more than negligent homicide. Its not...its exactly negligent homicide.

Kinda reminds me of that time Hulk Hogan's kid crashed his supra racing in florida and lobotomized his friend, then got off basically scott free (8 months jail)
This is why I disagree though:
Involuntary manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide are fundamentally the same. The terminology used comes down to what jurisdiction your area falls under. In some cases, jurisdictions may use the term “criminally negligent homicide” to refer to a crime that does not meet the level of recklessness it takes to be considered manslaughter. The use of either term is subjective to the case itself and depends on the area where the crime took place.
Most statutes still put these in the same category and I absolutely disagree with any form of negligence being an accident.
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Originally Posted By donblaximus⏩
I have driven on the autobahn. First off, the roads there are much much better. Its illegal to pass on the right on the autobahn. People are expecting HIGH SPEED on those roads.

BRB cruising down the highway with my family in the US at 70 and someone DB passes me at 150+ mph on the right = the same as driving on the autobahn. GTFO.......
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too many factors come up when going 120+ it is absurd yo say some are safer at 120+ than avg driver at 40. all it takes is a little nail or debris on the road and at 120+ thats a blowout. yea in wide open roads with clear visibility its no danger to others but on city roads/hwys its always foolish.
been trying to tell this moron but he knows 40+ car guys that go vroom vroom
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
We know you like cars and go to car meets. This does not reflect on you in any way. You don't have to defend yourself, brah.
Making it clear that the community as a whole does not call incidents like this an "accident". This is randomly firing a gun into the sky as far as I am concerned.
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
I think it's situational, a 17 year old speeding at 130mph in their parents car and crashes is not the same as a grown adult who has had time to mature and still willingly does something so incredibly reckless.
no, nick hogan is a piece of chit. he got off way too easy, and this news network is even coddling him like he's the victim of the situation. he should have been in prison for 5 years minimum. The victim did not get justice. the Hogan family in general seem like some dysfunctional, selfish people. the most disgusting part is him saying "I want cameras on me when I get out and I want to make the most money possible from this".

if someone murdered him after he got out of prison I don't think id feel any sympathy for him.
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Originally Posted By chrsschb⏩
Most statutes still put these in the same category and I absolutely disagree with any form of negligence being an accident.
While people can be truly negligent and ignorant, most of the time its not a good form of defense.

I was a nail technician(salon) and I dealt with product manufacturing, health and safety protocols, actual pedicure and manicures. Whenever a nail tech hurts or infects a client because they were ignorant/negligent and didn't follow the directions, they are always punished to the fullest extent.
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Originally Posted By kingmanaverage⏩
I think it's situational, a 17 year old speeding at 130mph in their parents car and crashes is not the same as a grown adult who has had time to mature and still willingly does something so incredibly reckless.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ds-120mph.html
A teenage driver crashed his Lamborghini killing a woman after allegedly reaching speeds of 120mph.

Monique Munoz, 32, died in the two vehicle smash last Wednesday afternoon in California.

The receptionist was left trapped in the wreckage of the collision and died at the scene, the Los Angeles Fire Department.

The 17-year-old driver - who has not been named - suffered minor injuries.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
That would be easier to believe if he didn't drive 140 MPH+ for thrill seeking on a busy highway. Driving 140 MPH+ for thrills is an accident? What, was he being brainwashed by the little Red Devil on his shoulder?

This was NOT an "accident."
I'm not sure if you're missing the point? No one said this isn't murder. He is already being charged with murder. The disagreement is that you are trying to warp it into a different classification ofintentionalmurder. Which I don't seen any oneintenionallytrying to kill someone. I saw a reckless driver lose control, colliding with a car causing the death(s). Which is murder, just a different classification.

If you drive in bad weather, lose control and hit and kill a pedestrian. Is that murder with intent?

If you're going to argue something, it should be harsher punishment for illegal street racing. I don't for a second condone this type of driving. And this guy deserves harsh punishment for what he did. It however does not change the definition of the word "intent".
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Originally Posted By Slie⏩
If you drive in bad weather, lose control and hit and kill a pedestrian. Is that murder with intent?
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No. How are these situations the same? With bad weather driving, your intent is still to get home.
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Originally Posted By 2Chad4You⏩
Ok you are retarded, it all makes sense now. I never said that driving 120+ mph makes you a good driver or vice versa. I'm saying there are plenty of people who can drive safer at 120+ mph than average person does at 40.
I am a car guy, been driving high powered vehicles for years. I used to agree with this, but as I got older, I have wisened up a bit and just do all my high speed driving at the drag strip.

The problem with the street is that you can be the best driver in the world, but there are things outside of your control that can happen at 120 mph putting others at risk other than yourself. A blown tire is just one example. You blow a tire while going normal speed and you're likely going to be fine.

At the dragstrip, you are the only one who is at risk. There should be age laws for high HP cars.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
If you're driving 140 MPH like this on a busy street, you are intending to kill.
With these kind of mental gymnastics I can see how one could vote for a p3do like Biden.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
We know you like cars and go to car meets. This does not reflect on you in any way. You don't have to defend yourself, brah.
These people are irritating to car people as these are the arse hats that typically get these car meets shut down.
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