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03-04-2021, 08:23 PM
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All you race baiters should read this essay by Grant Hill
Due to space constraints, the editorial posted in the New York Times was shortened. Read Grant's full, unedited response to the Fab Five's comments in their recent documentary here.
I am a fan, friend and long time competitor of the Fab Five. This should not be a surprise because I am a contemporary of every member of that iconic team. I have competed against Jalen and Chris since the age of 13. Jalen, Chris, and Juwan are my friends and have been for 25 years. At Michigan, they represented a cultural phenomenon that impacted the country in a permanent and positive way. The very idea of the Fab Five elicited pride and promise in much the same way the Georgetown teams did in the mid-80s when I was in high school and idolized them. Their journey from youthful icons to successful men today is a road map for so many young, black men (and women) who saw their journey through the powerful documentary, Fab Five.
It was a sad and somewhat pathetic turn of events, therefore, to see friends narrating this interesting documentary about their moment in time and calling me a bitch and worse, calling all black players at Duke “Uncle Toms” and, to some degree, disparaging my parents for their education, work ethic and commitment to each other and to me. I should have guessed there was something regrettable in the documentary when Jay Williams and I received a Twitter apology from Jalen before its airing. And, I am aware Jalen has gone to some length to explain his remarks about my family in numerous interviews, so I believe he has some admiration for them.
In his garbled but sweeping comment that “Duke only recruits black Uncle Toms,” Jalen seems to change the usual meaning of those very vitriolic words into his own meaning, i.e., blacks from two-parent, middle class families. He leaves us all guessing exactly what he believes today. And, I wonder if I would have suggested to former Detroit Pistons GM Rick Sund to keep Jimmy King on the team if I had known, back then in the mid-90s, that he would call me a bitch on a nationally televised show in 2011.
I am beyond fortunate to have two parents who are still working well into their 60s. They received great educations and use them every day. My parents taught me a personal ethic I try to live by and pass on to my children. They remain committed to each other after more than 40 years and to my wife, Tamia, our children, and me. They are my role models and always will be.
I come from a strong legacy of black Americans. My namesake, Henry Hill, my father's father, was a day laborer in Baltimore. He could not read or write until he was taught to do so by my grandmother. His first present to my dad was a set of encyclopedias, which I now have to remind me of the importance of education. He wanted his only child, my father, to have a good education, so he made numerous sacrifices to see that he got an education, including attending Yale. This is part of our great tradition as black Americans. We aspire for the best or better for our children and work hard to make that happen for them. Jalen's mother is part of our great, black tradition and made the same sacrifices for him.
It is unbeknownst to me what Jalen meant by his convoluted reference to black players at Duke considering how little he knows about any of them. My teammates—all of them, black and white—were a band of brothers who came together to play at the highest level for the best coach in basketball. I know most of the black players who preceded and followed me at Duke. They all contribute to our tradition of excellence on the court. It is insulting and ignorant to suggest that men such as Johnny Dawkins (coach at Stanford), Tommy Amaker (coach at Harvard), Billy King (GM at the Nets), Tony Lang (coach of the Mitsubishi Diamond Dolphins in Japan ), Thomas Hill (small business owner in Texas), Jeff Capel (former coach at Oklahoma), Kenny Blakeley (assistant coach at Harvard), Jay Williams (ESPN analyst), Shane Battier (Memphis Grizzlies) or Chris Duhon (Orlando Magic) now or ever sold out their race. To hint that those who grew up in a household with a mother and father are somehow less black than those who did not is beyond ridiculous. All of us are extremely proud of the current team, especially Nolan Smith. He was raised by his mother, plays in memory of his late father and carries himself with the pride and confidence that they instilled in him. He is the quintessential young Dukie.
The sacrifice, the effort, the education and the friendships I experienced in my four years are priceless and cherished. The many Duke graduates I have met around the world are also my "family," and they are a special group of people. A good education is a privilege. At Duke, the expectations are high for all of us. Just as Jalen has founded a charter school in Michigan, we are expected to use our education to help others, to improve life for those who need our assistance and to use the excellent education we have received to better the world. The total experience at Duke taught us to think before we act, to pause before we speak and to realize that as adults we have a responsibility to do good, not just do well. A highlight of my time at Duke was getting to know the late, great John Hope Franklin, James B. Duke Professor of History and the leading scholar of the last century on the total history of African Americans in this country. His insights and perspectives contributed significantly to my overall development and helped me understand myself, my forefathers, and my place in the world.
Ad ingenium faciendum, toward the building of character, is a phrase I recently heard. To me, it is the essence of an educational experience. Struggling, succeeding, trying again and having fun within a nurturing but competitive environment built character in all of us, including every black graduate of Duke.
My mother always says, "You can live without Chaucer and you can live without calculus, but you cannot make it in the wide, wide world without common sense." As we get older, we understand the importance of these words. Adulthood is nothing but a series of choices: you can say yes or no, but you cannot avoid saying one or the other. In the end, those who are successful are those who adjust and adapt to the decisions they have made and make the best of them. I only hope I can instill in my children the same work ethic, the same values, the same common sense approach to life and the same pursuit of excellence my parents, Coach K and Duke gave me.
I caution my fabulous five friends to avoid stereotyping me and others they do not know in much the same way so many people stereotyped you back then for your appearance and swagger. I wish for you the restoration of the bond that made you friends, brothers and icons. I hope you reach closure with your university so you will enjoy all the privileges of its greatness.
I try to live my life as a good husband and father. I am proud of my family. I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.
- Grant Henry Hill
Phoenix Suns
Duke ‘94
You need to understand there are chitty black people and good black people. Your problem isn't with the race. It's with degenerates.I am a fan, friend and long time competitor of the Fab Five. This should not be a surprise because I am a contemporary of every member of that iconic team. I have competed against Jalen and Chris since the age of 13. Jalen, Chris, and Juwan are my friends and have been for 25 years. At Michigan, they represented a cultural phenomenon that impacted the country in a permanent and positive way. The very idea of the Fab Five elicited pride and promise in much the same way the Georgetown teams did in the mid-80s when I was in high school and idolized them. Their journey from youthful icons to successful men today is a road map for so many young, black men (and women) who saw their journey through the powerful documentary, Fab Five.
It was a sad and somewhat pathetic turn of events, therefore, to see friends narrating this interesting documentary about their moment in time and calling me a bitch and worse, calling all black players at Duke “Uncle Toms” and, to some degree, disparaging my parents for their education, work ethic and commitment to each other and to me. I should have guessed there was something regrettable in the documentary when Jay Williams and I received a Twitter apology from Jalen before its airing. And, I am aware Jalen has gone to some length to explain his remarks about my family in numerous interviews, so I believe he has some admiration for them.
In his garbled but sweeping comment that “Duke only recruits black Uncle Toms,” Jalen seems to change the usual meaning of those very vitriolic words into his own meaning, i.e., blacks from two-parent, middle class families. He leaves us all guessing exactly what he believes today. And, I wonder if I would have suggested to former Detroit Pistons GM Rick Sund to keep Jimmy King on the team if I had known, back then in the mid-90s, that he would call me a bitch on a nationally televised show in 2011.
I am beyond fortunate to have two parents who are still working well into their 60s. They received great educations and use them every day. My parents taught me a personal ethic I try to live by and pass on to my children. They remain committed to each other after more than 40 years and to my wife, Tamia, our children, and me. They are my role models and always will be.
I come from a strong legacy of black Americans. My namesake, Henry Hill, my father's father, was a day laborer in Baltimore. He could not read or write until he was taught to do so by my grandmother. His first present to my dad was a set of encyclopedias, which I now have to remind me of the importance of education. He wanted his only child, my father, to have a good education, so he made numerous sacrifices to see that he got an education, including attending Yale. This is part of our great tradition as black Americans. We aspire for the best or better for our children and work hard to make that happen for them. Jalen's mother is part of our great, black tradition and made the same sacrifices for him.
It is unbeknownst to me what Jalen meant by his convoluted reference to black players at Duke considering how little he knows about any of them. My teammates—all of them, black and white—were a band of brothers who came together to play at the highest level for the best coach in basketball. I know most of the black players who preceded and followed me at Duke. They all contribute to our tradition of excellence on the court. It is insulting and ignorant to suggest that men such as Johnny Dawkins (coach at Stanford), Tommy Amaker (coach at Harvard), Billy King (GM at the Nets), Tony Lang (coach of the Mitsubishi Diamond Dolphins in Japan ), Thomas Hill (small business owner in Texas), Jeff Capel (former coach at Oklahoma), Kenny Blakeley (assistant coach at Harvard), Jay Williams (ESPN analyst), Shane Battier (Memphis Grizzlies) or Chris Duhon (Orlando Magic) now or ever sold out their race. To hint that those who grew up in a household with a mother and father are somehow less black than those who did not is beyond ridiculous. All of us are extremely proud of the current team, especially Nolan Smith. He was raised by his mother, plays in memory of his late father and carries himself with the pride and confidence that they instilled in him. He is the quintessential young Dukie.
The sacrifice, the effort, the education and the friendships I experienced in my four years are priceless and cherished. The many Duke graduates I have met around the world are also my "family," and they are a special group of people. A good education is a privilege. At Duke, the expectations are high for all of us. Just as Jalen has founded a charter school in Michigan, we are expected to use our education to help others, to improve life for those who need our assistance and to use the excellent education we have received to better the world. The total experience at Duke taught us to think before we act, to pause before we speak and to realize that as adults we have a responsibility to do good, not just do well. A highlight of my time at Duke was getting to know the late, great John Hope Franklin, James B. Duke Professor of History and the leading scholar of the last century on the total history of African Americans in this country. His insights and perspectives contributed significantly to my overall development and helped me understand myself, my forefathers, and my place in the world.
Ad ingenium faciendum, toward the building of character, is a phrase I recently heard. To me, it is the essence of an educational experience. Struggling, succeeding, trying again and having fun within a nurturing but competitive environment built character in all of us, including every black graduate of Duke.
My mother always says, "You can live without Chaucer and you can live without calculus, but you cannot make it in the wide, wide world without common sense." As we get older, we understand the importance of these words. Adulthood is nothing but a series of choices: you can say yes or no, but you cannot avoid saying one or the other. In the end, those who are successful are those who adjust and adapt to the decisions they have made and make the best of them. I only hope I can instill in my children the same work ethic, the same values, the same common sense approach to life and the same pursuit of excellence my parents, Coach K and Duke gave me.
I caution my fabulous five friends to avoid stereotyping me and others they do not know in much the same way so many people stereotyped you back then for your appearance and swagger. I wish for you the restoration of the bond that made you friends, brothers and icons. I hope you reach closure with your university so you will enjoy all the privileges of its greatness.
I try to live my life as a good husband and father. I am proud of my family. I am proud of my Duke championships and all my Duke teammates. And, I am proud I never lost a game against the Fab Five.
- Grant Henry Hill
Phoenix Suns
Duke ‘94
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im sick and tired of the anti-black narrative being pushed by the main stream media lately
these events have happened for years but the recent media just blew it out of proportion
find some asian on black crime to show how the narrative is being manipulated!
these events have happened for years but the recent media just blew it out of proportion
find some asian on black crime to show how the narrative is being manipulated!
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
The issue is always with the degenerates of all racesYou need to understand there are chitty black people and good black people. Your problem isn't with the race. It's with degenerates.
Non-degenerate straight men need to band together
We won't tho
03-04-2021, 08:25 PM
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Seek help wincel. You have serious mental health issues which can't be fixed by miscing all day. It's obvious from outsiders you desperately need attention and make controversial topics and alt accounts to satiate this unhealthy activity.
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It's all class and culture.
Organic human nature is to provide your family a home and security. Men who lack these things or aren't focused on a pathway to it are extremely unhappy.
Organic human nature is to provide your family a home and security. Men who lack these things or aren't focused on a pathway to it are extremely unhappy.
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Originally Posted By JeepBruh⏩
Seriously he needs helpWincel porn account^
Again. This dude craves attention.
Again. This dude craves attention.
You're talking about ralphlaurenbrah right?
03-04-2021, 08:33 PM
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But there are only degenerate wincels.
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03-04-2021, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
How can we fix culture when people don't value education and only glorify fame? They look up to criminals. It's fuked.It's all class and culture.
Organic human nature is to provide your family a home and security. Men who lack these things or are focused on a pathway to it are extremely unhappy.
Organic human nature is to provide your family a home and security. Men who lack these things or are focused on a pathway to it are extremely unhappy.
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Grant Hill is a good black person
Grant Hill also never advocated for the BLM movement
Grant Hill also never advocated for the BLM movement
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Make it worse by advocating for things like AOC for prez. SrsHow can we fix culture when people don't value education and only glorify fame? They look up to criminals. It's fuked.
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you ever have somebody really fukin smart tell you what's what? and you get that vibe that they're holding back while still eviscerating you, just because they want to be professional..
that's what that reads like to me
that's what that reads like to me
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Grant Hill grew up with a father in his life who shaped him into the good black person that he is today.Grant Hill's mom was roommates with Hillary.
Mad?
Mad?
03-04-2021, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
What is so wrong with AOC?Make it worse by advocating for things like AOC for prez. Srs
Originally Posted By stevemckenna⏩
Correct.Grant Hill grew up with a father in his life who shaped him into the good black person that he is today.
Originally Posted By amikaelmorris⏩
That's exactly what it is. Dude was probably among the smartest dudes in the NBA. If he didn't play, he would have become a lawyer or something.you ever have somebody really fukin smart tell you what's what? and you get that vibe that they're holding back while still eviscerating you, just because they want to be professional..
that's what that reads like to me
that's what that reads like to me
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Physically? Nothing. Shes pretty hot.What is so wrong with AOC?
Correct.
That's exactly what it is. Dude was probably among the smartest dudes in the NBA. If he didn't play, he would have become a lawyer or something.
Correct.
That's exactly what it is. Dude was probably among the smartest dudes in the NBA. If he didn't play, he would have become a lawyer or something.
No need to go into liberal policy and emasculation. Men should be forced to work hard. Period.
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Originally Posted By MetroBrah⏩
Watched him play for the Magic a few times. When he wasn’t injured of course.Used to love watching grant hill play ball srs
So very few games...:/
I probably banged your mom.
Eat the whole animal like a real man.
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Originally Posted By Vhagar⏩
You're dealing with a psychopath. He is trying to coming off as a rational person after spending the better part of a year spewing illogical nonsense because it was an election year.Do you have any essays on water being wet?
The better question to ask is ask him what percent of black people support the BLM movement. Then in a separate post ask him how much damage the BLM riots caused and whether supporters of the organization are morally wrong.
The trick he is playing is pretending to be morally right by advocating easily defendable talking points that are mutually exclusive taken individually.
In this thread he is advocating something pretty much all non-racists agree upon. He has been doing these types of threads about a month ago after he was done gloating about his election win.
03-04-2021, 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted By JeepBruh⏩
There is no trick retard. This is how I feel about the situation. What is so hard for you to understand? I don't care about what is morally right or not. Our society is dysfunctional. Regarding BLM, I agree with it in spirit, but not in practice in some of the cases, and not with the organization itself. I usually avoid discussions on morality since they are entirely subjective. I gloated about the win because Trump supporters attempted to carry out a coup and failed. They are domestic terrorists.You're dealing with a psychopath. He is trying to coming off as a rational person after spending the better part of a year spewing illogical nonsense because it was an election year.
The better question to ask is ask him what percent of black people support the BLM movement. Then in a separate post ask him how much damage the BLM riots caused and whether supporters of the organization are morally wrong.
The trick he is playing is pretending to be morally right by advocating easily defendable talking points that are mutually exclusive taken individually.
In this thread he is advocating something pretty much all non-racists agree upon. He has been doing these types of threads about a month ago after he was done gloating about his election win.
The better question to ask is ask him what percent of black people support the BLM movement. Then in a separate post ask him how much damage the BLM riots caused and whether supporters of the organization are morally wrong.
The trick he is playing is pretending to be morally right by advocating easily defendable talking points that are mutually exclusive taken individually.
In this thread he is advocating something pretty much all non-racists agree upon. He has been doing these types of threads about a month ago after he was done gloating about his election win.
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Bro, I am just trying to help you. You are running away from some serious mental health issues. Everyone sees it.There is no trick retard. This is how I feel about the situation. What is so hard for you to understand?
Why won't you let me help you?
03-04-2021, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted By wincel⏩
Mistake#1 was assuming that the posters here represent regular, common sense, folks that are open to new information.There is no trick retard. This is how I feel about the situation. What is so hard for you to understand? I don't care about what is morally right or not. Our society is dysfunctional. Regarding BLM, I agree with it in spirit, but not in practice in some of the cases, and not with the organization itself. I usually avoid discussions on morality since they are entirely subjective. I gloated about the win because Trump supporters attempted to carry out a coup and failed. They are domestic terrorists.
There are a few.......... but most have the mind made up and it is closed so tightly that nothing new can penetrate it.
But yes W, regular folks vs criminal types.
They exist in all cultures.
There is an unspoken thing, we are iron brothers and sisters, we are to support each other and...It is our duty to support our brothers and sisters in the iron game!
03-04-2021, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted By JeepBruh⏩
Suck my dick bro and by bro I mean never my bro fuking *******Bro, I am just trying to help you. You are running away from some serious mental health issues. Everyone sees it.
Why won't you let me help you?
Why won't you let me help you?
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