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post 1632993733 03-05-2021, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted By Galindo62⏩
So invoking my nostradamus skills I too believe in around 2 weeks we will start to turn it around.
Probably less than that. Futures are green right now, who knows how today will go. My guess is everyone is betting on that job report.


Whenever the front page of the news is "stimulus passes senate, off to Biden to sign" is on the front page, things will go up. Should be this weekend. Crashes have a real catalyst behind them, this isn't one.
The above post is 100% false
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Originally Posted By USAPump⏩
Probably less than that. Futures are green right now, who knows how today will go. My guess is everyone is betting on that job report.


Whenever the front page of the news is "stimulus passes senate, off to Biden to sign" is on the front page, things will go up. Should be this weekend. Crashes have a real catalyst behind them, this isn't one.
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post 1632994153 03-05-2021, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted By USAPump⏩
Probably less than that. Futures are green right now, who knows how today will go. My guess is everyone is betting on that job report.


Whenever the front page of the news is "stimulus passes senate, off to Biden to sign" is on the front page, things will go up. Should be this weekend. Crashes have a real catalyst behind them, this isn't one.
Isn't the market more overbought than it ever has been? Wondering how much of a catalyst is needed when everything is so overvalued. What was the catalyst behind the other pull backs from overvaluation?
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what's the consensus on getting into tech stocks today. tsla seems to have found support at 600
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tsla is 5-10 yrs ahead of the competition - IMHO, this hasn't change and it won't change for awhile...
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Originally Posted By smashedurgfx10⏩
what's the consensus on getting into tech stocks today. tsla seems to have found support at 600
Maybe. Futures are climbing rn. Could be a cuck tease and we end up getting our cheeks pounded later today. Who knows. Could be a recovery day.



Literally the entire fate of today will hang in the balance of that job report which should be here in about an hour. After that, today should probably barcode and maybe slightly green. A ton of volume got moved around yesterday from panic sellers and maybe they are gone by now. A ton of people I imagine also got margin called. After that, monday should open high because the main headlines will be the stimulus bill going through the senate.



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Oh goody. More deep losses inbound.
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Originally Posted By topperstyle⏩
You underestimate the market in 5-10 years when companies like GM are already competing with autonomous vehicles.
how many GM, Ford EV you see on the street? I think they haven't found the formula (and i am not talking just tech but marketing, etc)
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Originally Posted By camaleom⏩
how many GM, Ford EV you see on the street? I think they haven't found the formula (and i am not talking just tech but marketing, etc)
You might be surprised . . .

https://www.foxcarolina.com/fords-mu...0582f7d94.html

Tesla is starting to lose market share among US buyers of electric vehicles, and Ford's Mustang Mach-E appears to be the beneficiary.

Analysis by Morgan Stanley shows that Tesla's share of the US EV market fell to 69% in February, down from 81% a year ago.

Tesla's US sales are still climbing, according to this analysis, due to the increased appetite among US car buyers for electric vehicles. Morgan Stanley estimates that industrywide US EV sales rose 34% in February, compared to a year earlier, even as sales of traditional internal combustion engine vehicles fell by 5.4%, according to the analysis.

The new electric offerings from traditional automakers resulted in their combined US EV sales more than doubling to 9,527 vehicles. And Ford's Mach-E, which won SUV of the year honors this year and started deliveries in late January, accounted for 3,739 February sales, according to figures from Ford.

"Mach-E accounted for nearly 100% of the [Tesla] share loss," said Adam Jonas, Morgan Stanley's auto analyst, in a note earlier this week.
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Welp, let's see what happens.
Employers added 379,000 jobs in February, adding fuel to renewed growth as the pandemic eases. The unemployment rate edged down to 6.2%.

Economists had expected U.S. employers to add a seasonally adjusted 210,000 jobs in February and the unemployment rate to hold at 6.3%, according to a Wall Street Journal survey.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/februar...d=hp_lead_pos1


Edit: Which in turn pumped the 10-year treasury yield to 1.6%. Lmao bye bye
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post 1632997173 03-05-2021, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
You might be surprised . . .

https://www.foxcarolina.com/fords-mu...0582f7d94.html

Tesla is starting to lose market share among US buyers of electric vehicles, and Ford's Mustang Mach-E appears to be the beneficiary.

Analysis by Morgan Stanley shows that Tesla's share of the US EV market fell to 69% in February, down from 81% a year ago.

Tesla's US sales are still climbing, according to this analysis, due to the increased appetite among US car buyers for electric vehicles. Morgan Stanley estimates that industrywide US EV sales rose 34% in February, compared to a year earlier, even as sales of traditional internal combustion engine vehicles fell by 5.4%, according to the analysis.

The new electric offerings from traditional automakers resulted in their combined US EV sales more than doubling to 9,527 vehicles. And Ford's Mach-E, which won SUV of the year honors this year and started deliveries in late January, accounted for 3,739 February sales, according to figures from Ford.

"Mach-E accounted for nearly 100% of the [Tesla] share loss," said Adam Jonas, Morgan Stanley's auto analyst, in a note earlier this week.
Agree with the basic premise that Tesla has lots of competition coming.
Originally Posted By xxAchillesxx⏩
Welp, let's see what happens.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/februar...d=hp_lead_pos1
Let's see
post 1632997293 03-05-2021, 06:44 AM
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Thinking of going in on Tesla puts. It's Friday so it hella risky though
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Originally Posted By xxAchillesxx⏩
Welp, let's see what happens.



https://www.wsj.com/articles/februar...d=hp_lead_pos1


Edit: Which in turn pumped the 10-year treasury yield to 1.6%. Lmao bye bye
when good news is bad news.

job estimate was 200K and it came out to be 379K

yet bond went potato.
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Canada is a big place and really only the Toronto and Vancouver areas are totally insane. There are some other pockets, like Fort Mac (especially when oil is booming) and I think the East coast has some crazy real estate prices as well, but it's not completely out of whack otherwise

$1.5million in the capital of Alberta feels like it gets you a reasonable property for the money
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I should have said that last night.

The crazy hot market is mostly around Toronto area. (plus usual BC)

I was browsing rest of realtor is not that bad elsewhere yet.
post 1632997793 03-05-2021, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted By mgftp⏩
Agree with the basic premise that Tesla has lots of competition coming.

absolutely - they are only going to lose market share on the ev sector but tsla is much more than just cars.
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Originally Posted By MotorCityCobra⏩
I just bought because of momentum tbh because the market was retarded and everything went green. Right now i feel they are way oversold though

Im sitting on massive losses on XPEV. What oil & energy stocks u sitting on? Want to diversify a little i only have EV, tech & solar/green energy
You are honest about it, that's good. I realize that the majority of this thread tends to be about day trades and riskier plays, and I'm not one to tell one to do with their own money, but if the losses are impacting you this heavily you may consider a more conservative approach in the future. A lot of folks are finding out recently how difficult it is to beat the market as opposed to simply investingin the market.

I know you weren't asking me about energy stocks, but you could use an indexing principle to not try and guess at winners since we're kind of on about this strategy here. In fact, this is what I did and VDE has been my best performing holding for the last few weeks.
Originally Posted By camaleom⏩
tsla is 5-10 yrs ahead of the competition - IMHO, this hasn't change and it won't change for awhile...
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't - but this line of thought isn't justification for a company's value. I recall this type of thinking in the '90s when folks would talk about companies that subsequently went out of business within a few years (not suggesting TSLA will suffer the same fate).

To put it into perspective, if one invested in Amazon in the late '90s, it would take them over a decade to recoup their initial investment due to the premium it was trading at during that time. A great question to ask oneself - if TSLA does indeed stand the test of time, and the stock is down from its highs for over a decade, would you still want to buy and hold it?
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Originally Posted By StackingPlates⏩
To put it into perspective, if one invested in Amazon in the late '90s, it would take them over a decade to recoup their initial investment due to the premium it was trading at during that time. A great question to ask oneself - if TSLA does indeed stand the test of time, and the stock is down from its highs for over a decade, would you still want to buy and hold it?
if amazon stayed doing what they started doing in the 90s then they would have been f'ed - aren't they getting more money from AWS?

tsla will need to evolve or as you said it could be over for them
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Doesnt look like this pump is a fakeout like yesterday. if stimulus is passed over the weekend could be a nice two trading days ahead
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As I understand it, bad job numbers would not have caused a rise in bond yields.

In any case, I'm looking to buy some AMZN today lol.

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Originally Posted By Carbonfibre⏩
This is not supply issue for Canada atm afaik but rather these low rates.

Canada has been having issues for while especially British Columbia area going back 10 years now where foreigners (Asian mostly) come in buy property and just sit on it (leave it empty) it was always know they were just laundering money away from CCP.

BC had to come up with foreigner 20 % tax to try and help

This has now escalated to Ontario (around TO) area.
I've read about Asians doing that, and they gotta park their money somewhere, and it's pretty disturbing since it ruins the market. When Sydney was building condominiums lately, you had to be a permanent resident to buy. NZ passed a law that you have to be a resident to buy any house/condo.
Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Yup mortgage rates are going up or on the cusp of going up here as well, working on finalizing my renewal and the broker is very aware of what's happening in the bond market
I don't understand why mortgage rates would be going up unless it's a supply issue and they know they can raise rates?

Right now the pullback in equities is getting comparable to last February for me. Good opp. to buy coming.
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Originally Posted By _zman⏩
I don't understand why mortgage rates would be going up unless it's a supply issue and they know they can raise rates?

Right now the pullback in equities is getting comparable to last February for me. Good opp. to buy coming.
Unemployment numbers continue to improve, economy is doing well and COVID looks to be possibly dying out, 10 year yield is rising and inflation is inevitable . . . so mortgage rates go up.
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CNBC is saying that of the 379K jobs added, 286K were waiters and bartenders.

Not exactly pump it numbers.

This could trade sideways today.
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Better job numbers + More stimulus + Closer to reopening = Stronger chance of overheating = Inflationary fears = Bonds dumping

No economist but that's the way I interpret the spike in yields

Also: Oil to the moon!
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Originally Posted By Carbonfibre⏩
This could trade sideways today.
One can fuarkin hope lmao
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phucking Tesla again about to test $600

and it went below $600
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time to log out the way I did in 2018.

goodnight sweet gainz.
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Problem is that governments need to balance throttling real estate sales with allowing money to flow in, since that benefits people who already own property and people who develop property. Low prices are better for people coming into the market, but it's not good for anyone who already saw their house values skyrocket and now has huge chunks of their net worth tied up in their primary residence etc


I might have a $20-30 bull case for CVE at this rate, chit is powering above $10 just on the back of $60 WTI. Dividends still low af, haven't seen good quarterlies yet, feels like it could go a lot higher


+$8500 at open lol, this is nutty
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Fu‎ck the 10 year yield
The above post is 100% false
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