nah

Actually you bring up a good point. Can anyone name a time outside of Floyd where this position had killed someone?

That is an interesting definition of murder. Murder involves premeditation as a requirement. Having a surprise violent and erratic druggie encounter does not even allow for premeditation to occur.

They previously worked in the same club working security if I remember correctly.. I'm sure that will be brought up

Definitely proof he wanted to murder him. To the electric chair!

Do you need premeditation for 2nd degree murder in Minny?

I'm pretty certain premeditation is only required for 1st degree in all states

I will have hope in the system if he gets acquitted, which will surely only ensure more destruction.

No, but you need intention.https://statelaws.findlaw.com/minnes...ee-murder.html

If he had a grudge against him and they have proof, and they can prove he went out looking for him that day, then I do think murder comes into play. I think that is a hard sell though. They should have gone after manslaughter just like with Trayvon/Zimmerman (which was a textbook definition IMHO) but bowed to political pressure to turn this into a show instead of doing their jobs.

ya gonna be difficult to prove intent. More difficult to even get unbiased jurors. I cant think of 1 person who doesnt already have an opinion about this

Best case scenario for the prosecution is manslaughter. Murder won't stick, no way to prove intent

Brace for more riots

Dude may have been a schit human being and done some greasy things, but didn't deserve to be treated like sub-human scum and die in a street with people watching and offering no help
Cop was a piece of schit. No matter how you rationalize it in your mind and no matter what mental gymnastics you jump through in order to cope, you don't kneel on someone's neck and disregard their complaints
People overreacting and burning down buildings and looting are pieces of schit and are selfishly turning the entire situation and whatever protest or cause it initially was into an outlet for their own deluded, anarchic, fantasies. Weak, ineffectual, beta, soft-penis'd, anemic low IQ morons acting out to acquire social justice credits from their tribe. Absolutely pathetic.
Politicians capitalizing and using the death of a human being to fuel their own rancid agendas.

The entire situation is a clusterfuk and reinforces how tribal and idiotic human beings are. Maybe in a few million years some far away civilization may find the ruins of what we've built and study just how primal and stupid human beings really were. The gift and miracle of our cortex, squandered and schit-upon by defunct, obsolete impulses from millennia ago.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to lightsarefallin again.

Nah he deserved to die when he held up a pregnant woman /argument

I wouldn't be so absolute. It's called a number of things, but I learned it as "depraved heart" murder. Murder needs a guilty act and a guilty intent. It is possible to get that intent from just doing something so reckless that it shows you don't care if someone dies, even if you had absolutely no direct intent to kill someone.

The classic example is firing a gun into a home - not because you want to kill anyone - but because you just don't give a sht and want to shoot into a home.

It's not impossible a jury could find that kneeling on someone's neck for minutes who keeps saying they can't breath shows a complete disregard for his life, and thus intent.

All of your heroes all summer long

That's not how rehabilitation works. If it was I'm sure your ancestors would have been killed for the atrocities they've committed

It's possible, I just doubt it. It would have to be a clown jury to make that call. The dude was resisting, and knee on the neck is a trained technique. He obviously held it for too long, which is why I think manslaughter could stick from negligence

I'm not massively invested either way. The cop is a piece of chit, so I don't care if he goes away for many years. Floyd was also a piece of chit, so the world is probably better off with him not here.

I've been a huge advocate of police reform for a long time, and I find this case so unfortunate. Chauvin was a bad dude doing bad things, but burning him to the ground won't change policy. I'm very comfortable with him getting manslaughter - and murder 2 would be very much on the table if he wasn't a cop. That's uncomfortable for me.

Having said that making Floyd into some hero is insane to me as well. Why in the fck isn't the narrative here, "he wasn't a great guy, and he was breaking the law, but that's not a death sentence"? It's actually stronger for the people who strongly want justice for Floyd because it's (1) honest, and (2) undercuts any narrative about how he wasn't such a great dude being used as a defense for Chauvin.

I think the family could pretty easily when a civil suit against the department since the guys were trained to use that.

I think murder is an outrageously stupid charge.

Because we live in a clown world and guys like Floyd that are lifelong criminals and terrible human beings get made martyrs for some reason

For some reason it's unpopular to say the cop was a piece of chit, and that Floyd was also a piece of chit

I don't think the numbers really back up that we are in huge need of police reform though. I think there's definitely room for improvement, there always is, but I don't see it as a dire of need as people make it out to be

I'd bring it. If nothing else bringing the charge and educating the jury on depraved heart murder (see above) helps anchor expectations at a high level of police wrongdoing. I'd just hammer home that a man claiming he couldn't breath died while the officer knelt on his neck for minutes on end. That's a strong story, and one that's easy to grasp.

The guy was also claiming he couldn't breath when he was standing up. I think it's just as strong to focus on the fact that he was high as chit on fent

Lol Floyd was a straight up criminal druggy. Lol @ honoring that guy.

BUT

You really don't see police reform as dire? Way too much corruption in policing. Stop being blind to that fact, it doesn't help our cause either.

why would that help tho? The guy said he couldnt breathe while standing so i put him on the ground and sat on his neck because.....I thought he was lying? I thought it would help him breathe better? I dont really see how that sentence ends well.

No? I don't see it as dire

The numbers show us a very small amount of cases like this compared to the millions and millions of police interactions this year

Again, can it be improved? Yeah. But dire need? No, I don't see it that way

I especially think that the idea of defunding police is a horrible way to go about it since you are just going to make the issue worse. I'd rather there be a movement for police stations to better utilize the money they are given if anythingIf I'm putting myself in the cop's shoes, a giant man that could kick the **** out of me is high out of his mind and resisting. I'm putting restraining him as my top priority over giving a chit about him claiming he can't breathe

But yes, at some point you do have to realize what you are doing and I do think negligence was definitely a thing here

I just don't agree that he just wanted to kill the dude with no fukks given

Not a clue. I can hate what someone says and still defend their right to say it. This used to be basic stuff.Mostly US police are far too fast to go for guns and deadly force. I've personally recently had an encounter with two officers who were just checking a city license to use a park in a certain way. Thinking showing a fishing license. So these two officer approach me, hands on their guns, one gets around behind me and starts trying to eyefck my backpack and such while the other forces me to face him - again hands on guns.

That's minor and nothing happened, but in normal life when someone approaches me with their hand on their gun that's a 10/10 escalation right there - but because they were cops I had to take it like a good citizen cuck. If it was my system they would have been fired that same day and such behavior would be massively against policy.

You are literally clueless at the level of police corruption.

The former chief of police in my state was recently arrested by the FBI because of years and years of deep corruption. This goes on in EVERY state.

Police should not have a decade to terrorize their citizens before a higher authority steps in.