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01-13-2021, 07:50 PM
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China has made great advances in conventional military and are a force to be reckoned with now. With Biden president they will test the waters soon and move for Taiwan. They will continue to expand their control in their hemisphere for the next decade.
They will not attack the USA with any conventional means until they have an answer for our submarines (no one does). Right now our submarines give us an edge and allow us to be somewhat complacent because even against the most vicious first strike-> They knock out our grid/communications/electronics and neutralize all of our land based ICBM's
Our subs can still surface and take a few(or all) with us.
They will not attack the USA with any conventional means until they have an answer for our submarines (no one does). Right now our submarines give us an edge and allow us to be somewhat complacent because even against the most vicious first strike-> They knock out our grid/communications/electronics and neutralize all of our land based ICBM's
Our subs can still surface and take a few(or all) with us.
01-18-2021, 10:40 AM
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China's 3rd Carrier under construction, 4th Carrier expected to start soon.
China's 2nd carrier - began construction in 2013, launched in 2017.
China's 3rd carrier - began construction in 2017, unknown completion date (expected to feature a catapult system).
China's 4th carrier - begins construction "soon" (expected to be nuclear powered & possibly EMALS).

China's 2nd carrier - began construction in 2013, launched in 2017.
China's 3rd carrier - began construction in 2017, unknown completion date (expected to feature a catapult system).
China's 4th carrier - begins construction "soon" (expected to be nuclear powered & possibly EMALS).
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01-18-2021, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
So basically still the bard hardware that exists until things go nuclear and then everyone loses.If you have a nuclear umbrella, you can still push the rest of the world around with carriers.
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01-18-2021, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted By JoshSP1985⏩
Basically, Russia, China, & the US aren't going to threaten each other's sovereignty. Everything else is on the board, based on risk/reward, relatively speaking. Nuclear annihilation is 100% Risk/0% Reward and until technology develops to flip those odds, we as a species are safe from it. But it gives you a lot of leverage to threaten other nations with.So basically still the bard hardware that exists until things go nuclear and then everyone loses.
In the beginning, China will use their carriers to dominate the SW Pacific, much like their other vessels & fishing boat flotilla do. Then they'll start building up infrastructure in Africa to start supporting economic interests & a rival force (I've posted a few times about it in the various threads.. a coalition of African nations with armaments supplied by China) to NATO which can threaten the Eastern US Coast & Europe. Africa will be used as their third world cash cow, much like how the US used China. They'll continue to bankroll corrupt politicians, use and abuse them, and incentivize them to belay working with the US in favor of China. They'll use their ships to protect their supply line. Then the next step is South America and the US Caribbean.
Currently, their vessels outnumber the US Navy and they aren't even a projecting force, they mostly hang out in the SW Pacific. That's a lot of ships in one small area. Imagine if they reached technological and force projection parity? That's what a lot of this thread is here to discuss and warn Americans over. It's not about looking at China now and passing them off, that's for the bleach drinkers. It's about seeing their trend in modernization relative to technology and manufacturing capability. It's EXPONENTLY increasing, all while our legislators try to squabble about who's state will get the most money from the Military Industrial Complex over the next some-odd hundred years. Our military wants to get to work, Congress spends more time spreading out the jobs and financing and it slows us down. That behavior will end soon.
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01-23-2021, 05:59 PM
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China authorises coast guard to fire on foreign vessels if needed
BEIJING (Reuters) - China passed a law on Friday that for the first time explicitly allows its coast guard to fire on foreign vessels, a move that could make the contested waters around China more choppy.
China has maritime sovereignty disputes with Japan in the East China Sea and with several Southeast Asian countries in the South China Sea. It has sent its coast guard to chase away fishing vessels from other countries, sometimes resulting in the sinking of these vessels.
China’s top legislative body, the National People’s Congress standing committee, passed the Coast Guard Law on Friday, according to state media reports.
According to draft wording in the bill published earlier, the coast guard is allowed to use “all necessary means” to stop or prevent threats from foreign vessels.
The bill specifies the circumstances under which different kind of weapons - hand-held, ship borne or airborne - can be used.
The bill allows coast guard personnel to demolish other countries’ structures built on Chinese-claimed reefs and to board and inspect foreign vessels in waters claimed by China.
The bill also empowers the coastguard to create temporary exclusion zones “as needed” to stop other vessels and personnel from entering.
Responding to concerns, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said on Friday that the law is in line with international practices.
The first article of the bill explains that the law is needed to safeguard China’s sovereignty, security and maritime rights.
This law comes seven years after China merged several civilian maritime law-enforcement agencies to form a coast guard bureau.
After the bureau came under the command of the People’s Armed Police in 2018, it became a proper branch of the military forces.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN29R1ERChina has maritime sovereignty disputes with Japan in the East China Sea and with several Southeast Asian countries in the South China Sea. It has sent its coast guard to chase away fishing vessels from other countries, sometimes resulting in the sinking of these vessels.
China’s top legislative body, the National People’s Congress standing committee, passed the Coast Guard Law on Friday, according to state media reports.
According to draft wording in the bill published earlier, the coast guard is allowed to use “all necessary means” to stop or prevent threats from foreign vessels.
The bill specifies the circumstances under which different kind of weapons - hand-held, ship borne or airborne - can be used.
The bill allows coast guard personnel to demolish other countries’ structures built on Chinese-claimed reefs and to board and inspect foreign vessels in waters claimed by China.
The bill also empowers the coastguard to create temporary exclusion zones “as needed” to stop other vessels and personnel from entering.
Responding to concerns, Chinese foreign ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said on Friday that the law is in line with international practices.
The first article of the bill explains that the law is needed to safeguard China’s sovereignty, security and maritime rights.
This law comes seven years after China merged several civilian maritime law-enforcement agencies to form a coast guard bureau.
After the bureau came under the command of the People’s Armed Police in 2018, it became a proper branch of the military forces.
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01-24-2021, 12:32 PM
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Chinese Survey Ship Caught ‘Running Dark’ Give Clues to Underwater Drone Operations

A Chinese government survey ship was intercepted “running dark” without broadcasting its position via AIS (Automated Information System by Indonesian officials.The incident is latest twist in an ongoing maritime saga which has also seen Chinese uncrewed underwater vehicles (UUVs) found in Indonesia’s territorial waters.
The survey ship, Xiang Yang Hong 03, left its base at Sanya on Hainan Island, China, on the morning of Jan. 6. It was intercepted by the Indonesian Coast Guard near the Sunda Strait during the week of January 11. All ships transiting the strategically important strait are required to be on AIS and when confronted the crew Xiang Yang Hong 03claimed that its AIS was damaged, according to press reports.
“Indonesia requires all ships transiting the world’s only archipelagic sea lanes to have functioning AIS and forbids them from carrying out oceanographic research,” according to Asia Times.
“The Maritime Security Agency said the Xiang Yang Hong 03 killed its transponder twice while passing through the Natuna islands at the southern end of the South China Sea and later in the Karimata Strait, northeast of the island of Belitung.”https://news.usni.org/2021/01/16/chi...one-operations

A Chinese government survey ship was intercepted “running dark” without broadcasting its position via AIS (Automated Information System by Indonesian officials.The incident is latest twist in an ongoing maritime saga which has also seen Chinese uncrewed underwater vehicles (UUVs) found in Indonesia’s territorial waters.
The survey ship, Xiang Yang Hong 03, left its base at Sanya on Hainan Island, China, on the morning of Jan. 6. It was intercepted by the Indonesian Coast Guard near the Sunda Strait during the week of January 11. All ships transiting the strategically important strait are required to be on AIS and when confronted the crew Xiang Yang Hong 03claimed that its AIS was damaged, according to press reports.
“Indonesia requires all ships transiting the world’s only archipelagic sea lanes to have functioning AIS and forbids them from carrying out oceanographic research,” according to Asia Times.
“The Maritime Security Agency said the Xiang Yang Hong 03 killed its transponder twice while passing through the Natuna islands at the southern end of the South China Sea and later in the Karimata Strait, northeast of the island of Belitung.”
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Education is humanity's key to salvation.
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01-24-2021, 12:35 PM
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China is building up their early warning/anti-submarine network to bolster regional security.
China boosting naval footprint at its southern tip, new satellite images suggest
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MELBOURNE, Australia – China has continued to build up its air and naval forces in its southernmost province on the edge of the South China Sea, with deployments of more early-warning and anti-submarine aircraft over the past year and the construction of what appears to be a drydock large enough for aircraft carriers on the island of Hainan.
Satellite photos taken of the airbases at Lingshui and Qionghai on the southeastern and eastern coasts of Hainan on Jan. 12 show that there are eight and six large aircraft on the respective aprons, although the resolution of the photos was insufficient to identify the aircraft types.
Lingshui is currently a base for the KJ-500 airborne early-warning aircraft and other reconnaissance platforms of China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), with Defense News first revealing the presence of such aircraft at the base in 2017.
A high-resolution photo of the base taken on Dec. 3, 2020, and provided to Defense News by earth imaging company Planet Labs showed five KJ-500 airborne early-warning planes and three other, unidentified aircraft based on the Y-9 type, although it is unclear if the latter were regular airlifters or specialized intelligence gathering aircraft.
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In addition to deploying new aircraft,China has also been upgrading the infrastructure at PLAN facilities in Hainan.An airbase in Hainan’s main city of Sanya is being refurbished with the construction of a new apron, at least eleven new hangars and resurfacing of other taxiways being built in a construction blitz that started in January 2020.https://www.defensenews.com/global/a...mages-suggest/
China boosting naval footprint at its southern tip, new satellite images suggest
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MELBOURNE, Australia – China has continued to build up its air and naval forces in its southernmost province on the edge of the South China Sea, with deployments of more early-warning and anti-submarine aircraft over the past year and the construction of what appears to be a drydock large enough for aircraft carriers on the island of Hainan.
Satellite photos taken of the airbases at Lingshui and Qionghai on the southeastern and eastern coasts of Hainan on Jan. 12 show that there are eight and six large aircraft on the respective aprons, although the resolution of the photos was insufficient to identify the aircraft types.
Lingshui is currently a base for the KJ-500 airborne early-warning aircraft and other reconnaissance platforms of China’s People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN), with Defense News first revealing the presence of such aircraft at the base in 2017.
A high-resolution photo of the base taken on Dec. 3, 2020, and provided to Defense News by earth imaging company Planet Labs showed five KJ-500 airborne early-warning planes and three other, unidentified aircraft based on the Y-9 type, although it is unclear if the latter were regular airlifters or specialized intelligence gathering aircraft.
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In addition to deploying new aircraft,China has also been upgrading the infrastructure at PLAN facilities in Hainan.An airbase in Hainan’s main city of Sanya is being refurbished with the construction of a new apron, at least eleven new hangars and resurfacing of other taxiways being built in a construction blitz that started in January 2020.
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Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
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Education is humanity's key to salvation.
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02-05-2021, 09:36 AM
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People believe this may be a cover for an anti-satellite test.
China conducts mid-course antiballistic missile test, system 'becomes more mature, reliable'
China conducts mid-course antiballistic missile test, system 'becomes more mature, reliable'
China successfully conducted a land-based, mid-course antiballistic missile (ABM) technical test on Thursday in a move experts said showed China's mastery of the technology as the country's antiballistic missile system gradually matures and becomes more reliable.
China conducted the test within its border, and the test reached the desired objective, the country's Ministry of National Defense announced on Thursday in a statement.
The test is of defensive nature and is not aimed at any country, the statement reads.
It was the fifth land-based ABM technical test China has publicly announced and the fourth land-based, mid-course ABM technical test publicly known.
Mid-course is the most vital phase in the interception of a ballistic missile, and a mid-course ABM means to intercept the missile while it is in its free flight phase outside of the atmosphere, Song Zhongping, a Chinese military expert and TV commentator, told the Global Times on Thursday.
While the duration of the mid-course phase is relatively long, the great difficulty of an interception lies in the high trajectory, Song said, noting that the target of interception is usually intermediate-range or intercontinental ballistic missile.
China has already mastered the mid-course ABM system, and conducting the latest test shows that the system is becoming mature, and the success rate and reliability of interceptions are increasing significantly, which is very important for China to build a complete ABM system, Song said.
The flight of a ballistic missile usually consists of three phases in time order: boost phase in which the rocket booster will power the missile into sky, mid-course phase in which the booster stops as the missile traverses outside of the atmosphere, and reentry or terminal phase in which the missile reenters the atmosphere and dives on its target.
It's technically easy to intercept a ballistic missile in the boost phase, because the missile is still close to the ground and accelerating, but it is difficult to get close to the launch site which is usually deep in hostile territory; in terminal phase, the interception is challenging because the speed of the diving missile is very high, observers said.
Known ABM tests were carried out by China previously in 2010, 2013, 2014 and 2018, according to media reports and official statements.
As the Chinese military enhances its combat-preparedness, it is very important to establish an effective and complete anti-missile system, particularly against intermediate-range and intercontinental missiles which are usually equipped with nuclear warheads, so that China's national security can remain assured, analysts said.
China conducted the test within its border, and the test reached the desired objective, the country's Ministry of National Defense announced on Thursday in a statement.
The test is of defensive nature and is not aimed at any country, the statement reads.
It was the fifth land-based ABM technical test China has publicly announced and the fourth land-based, mid-course ABM technical test publicly known.
Mid-course is the most vital phase in the interception of a ballistic missile, and a mid-course ABM means to intercept the missile while it is in its free flight phase outside of the atmosphere, Song Zhongping, a Chinese military expert and TV commentator, told the Global Times on Thursday.
While the duration of the mid-course phase is relatively long, the great difficulty of an interception lies in the high trajectory, Song said, noting that the target of interception is usually intermediate-range or intercontinental ballistic missile.
China has already mastered the mid-course ABM system, and conducting the latest test shows that the system is becoming mature, and the success rate and reliability of interceptions are increasing significantly, which is very important for China to build a complete ABM system, Song said.
The flight of a ballistic missile usually consists of three phases in time order: boost phase in which the rocket booster will power the missile into sky, mid-course phase in which the booster stops as the missile traverses outside of the atmosphere, and reentry or terminal phase in which the missile reenters the atmosphere and dives on its target.
It's technically easy to intercept a ballistic missile in the boost phase, because the missile is still close to the ground and accelerating, but it is difficult to get close to the launch site which is usually deep in hostile territory; in terminal phase, the interception is challenging because the speed of the diving missile is very high, observers said.
Known ABM tests were carried out by China previously in 2010, 2013, 2014 and 2018, according to media reports and official statements.
As the Chinese military enhances its combat-preparedness, it is very important to establish an effective and complete anti-missile system, particularly against intermediate-range and intercontinental missiles which are usually equipped with nuclear warheads, so that China's national security can remain assured, analysts said.
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
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Education is humanity's key to salvation.
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02-25-2021, 01:13 PM
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Trends.
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New report flags Chinese push to field support ships, planes for greater reach
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LONDON and COLOGNE, Germany — The Chinese military’s buildup is increasingly focused on ferrying forces to faraway places, with new logistics capabilities coming online quickly, according to the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies.
The assessment is included in the think tank’s Military Balance 2021 report, an annual compendium of defense goings-on around the world, released Feb. 25. The focus on China’s growing logistical capabilities in the air and at sea comes after experts have long chronicled Beijing’s efforts to field modernized weaponry aimed to turn the country into a superpower.
For example,[color=red]“China’s fleet support ships now number 12, up from seven in 2015, while increased numbers of Y-20 heavy transports mean that the PLA [People’s Liberation Army] Air Force has effectively doubled its heavy air transport fleet in the last four years,” [color]IISS researchers wrote in their report.
China maintains a military outpost in Djibouti that is seen by Western analysts as a key component of the country’s power-projection ambitions into the Indian Ocean.
Expanded support infrastructure on land, combined with the logistics tail needed to support big leaps, means more long-range Chinese deployments are in the offing, IISS researcher Nick Childs said during an online news conference Thursday.
The next significant step, he added, would be China’s ability to stage a carrier strike group deployment to the Indian Ocean.
“Beijing seems intent on achieving primacy in its littoral areas, and while China’s maritime paramilitary forces have taken the lead — and are using facilities on Chinese-occupied features in the Spratly Islands as forward-operating bases in the South China Sea — the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has maintained an ‘over-the-horizon’ presence,” the IISS report stated.
Meanwhile, China continued its upward defense spending trajectory in 2020, albeit at a somewhat slower pace: 5.2 percent last year, compared with 5.9 percent in 2019, according to the think tank. Still, Beijing’s nominal increase of $12 billion in 2020 was more than the plus-ups in all other Asian countries combined (excluding Russia).https://www.defensenews.com/global/e...greater-reach/
Trends.
Trends.
New report flags Chinese push to field support ships, planes for greater reach
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LONDON and COLOGNE, Germany — The Chinese military’s buildup is increasingly focused on ferrying forces to faraway places, with new logistics capabilities coming online quickly, according to the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies.
The assessment is included in the think tank’s Military Balance 2021 report, an annual compendium of defense goings-on around the world, released Feb. 25. The focus on China’s growing logistical capabilities in the air and at sea comes after experts have long chronicled Beijing’s efforts to field modernized weaponry aimed to turn the country into a superpower.
For example,[color=red]“China’s fleet support ships now number 12, up from seven in 2015, while increased numbers of Y-20 heavy transports mean that the PLA [People’s Liberation Army] Air Force has effectively doubled its heavy air transport fleet in the last four years,” [color]IISS researchers wrote in their report.
China maintains a military outpost in Djibouti that is seen by Western analysts as a key component of the country’s power-projection ambitions into the Indian Ocean.
Expanded support infrastructure on land, combined with the logistics tail needed to support big leaps, means more long-range Chinese deployments are in the offing, IISS researcher Nick Childs said during an online news conference Thursday.
The next significant step, he added, would be China’s ability to stage a carrier strike group deployment to the Indian Ocean.
“Beijing seems intent on achieving primacy in its littoral areas, and while China’s maritime paramilitary forces have taken the lead — and are using facilities on Chinese-occupied features in the Spratly Islands as forward-operating bases in the South China Sea — the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has maintained an ‘over-the-horizon’ presence,” the IISS report stated.
Meanwhile, China continued its upward defense spending trajectory in 2020, albeit at a somewhat slower pace: 5.2 percent last year, compared with 5.9 percent in 2019, according to the think tank. Still, Beijing’s nominal increase of $12 billion in 2020 was more than the plus-ups in all other Asian countries combined (excluding Russia).
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02-28-2021, 12:55 PM
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A lot of China's military budget is shrouded in their commercial sector due to the state-drive approach. It's easier to analyze their output rather than do guess-work regarding the amount of resources they expending. They are consistently growing their industrial/manufacturing base, year after year, with an emphasis on modernization & production of military hardware. This is the easiest & actionable tell-tale sign of what the future holds.
Global defense spending, led by US and China, hits new high

The U.S. and China led the growth in global defense spending, which hit a new high in 2020 despite the economic stress brought on by the coronavirus pandemic, a report said Thursday.
In its annual report on military power, the International Institute for Strategic Studies said total military expenditures added up to $1.83 trillion in 2020, a 3.9% increase over the previous year. “This came despite the coronavirus pandemic and the subsequent contraction in global economic output,” the London-based think tank said in a statement.
The United States remained the top spender, accounting for 40.3% of global spending. But China and other Asian powers concerned about Beijing’s rise also spent more, albeit at a somewhat slower pace than in 2019 because of the pandemic, IISS said in its “Military Balance” report.
In Asia, overall spending was up 4.3%, down from the 4.9% growth rate of the previous year. Beijing boosted expenditures by $12 billion, or 5.2 %, with total spending at $193.3 billion.
However, IISS and other research groups have questioned China’s budget transparency in recent years. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute pegged Chinese defense spending at $261 billion in 2019.
China’s maritime paramilitary forces are using facilities in the South China Sea as forward operating bases, the report noted. China has also built artificial islands in the sea over the last decade and constructed bases on natural features claimed by other nations in the region.
“Beijing seems intent on achieving primacy in its littoral areas,” IISS said.
Meanwhile, China’s navy has maintained an “over-the-horizon” presence focused on extending its reach.
[color=red]China’s corvette numbers have more than doubled in the last five years, reaching 55 in 2020[color], IISS said. Beijing is also boosting its anti-submarine warfare capabilities while expanding its fleets of transport ships and heavy transport aircraft.https://www.stripes.com/news/us/glob...-high-1.663520
Global defense spending, led by US and China, hits new high
The U.S. and China led the growth in global defense spending, which hit a new high in 2020 despite the economic stress brought on by the coronavirus pandemic, a report said Thursday.
In its annual report on military power, the International Institute for Strategic Studies said total military expenditures added up to $1.83 trillion in 2020, a 3.9% increase over the previous year. “This came despite the coronavirus pandemic and the subsequent contraction in global economic output,” the London-based think tank said in a statement.
The United States remained the top spender, accounting for 40.3% of global spending. But China and other Asian powers concerned about Beijing’s rise also spent more, albeit at a somewhat slower pace than in 2019 because of the pandemic, IISS said in its “Military Balance” report.
In Asia, overall spending was up 4.3%, down from the 4.9% growth rate of the previous year. Beijing boosted expenditures by $12 billion, or 5.2 %, with total spending at $193.3 billion.
However, IISS and other research groups have questioned China’s budget transparency in recent years. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute pegged Chinese defense spending at $261 billion in 2019.
China’s maritime paramilitary forces are using facilities in the South China Sea as forward operating bases, the report noted. China has also built artificial islands in the sea over the last decade and constructed bases on natural features claimed by other nations in the region.
“Beijing seems intent on achieving primacy in its littoral areas,” IISS said.
Meanwhile, China’s navy has maintained an “over-the-horizon” presence focused on extending its reach.
[color=red]China’s corvette numbers have more than doubled in the last five years, reaching 55 in 2020[color], IISS said. Beijing is also boosting its anti-submarine warfare capabilities while expanding its fleets of transport ships and heavy transport aircraft.
The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
Modern liberalism is morally bankrupt and demonic.
Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
Wincel: "I'm saying even the govt of China, while brutal at times, is NOT our enemy. Period."
Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
Education is humanity's key to salvation.
The 2nd Cold War has begun.
03-01-2021, 07:10 PM
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Density Map of China's Fishing Boat Flotillas:


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China is currently producing one of these every 6 months. Hope this is quieting some of the critics who were downplaying China earlier in this thread.
China Launches 3rd Type 075 LHD For The PLAN

Pictures shared by local ship spotters on Sina Weibo (a Chinese social media platform) this morning show the construction dock where the second Type 075 was assembled being flooded. Other pictures show the vessel being towed by tug boats next to the second ship-in-class. This is where the shipyard will continue outfitting work over the next few months. The first-in-class Type 075 has been spotted at Sanya naval base since December 2020.
The Hudong Zhonghua shipyard also took the opportunity to launch the second Type 054 A/P Frigate for the Pakistan Navy.
The Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai already built the first two vessels in the class. The first Type 075 for the PLAN was launched in September 2019 and started sea trials in August 2020 while the second one was launched in April 2020 and started its sea trials in December 2020. This represents an impressive rate of one LHD launched every 6 months.
A total of eight LHDs are said to be on order for the PLAN.At the moment the same yard is also building two Type 054 A/P frigates for the Pakistan Navy and, it appears, a Type 071E LPD for Thailand.

The Chinese Navy officially started development work on the Type 075 in 2011. The project called for a helicopter carrier displacing more than 30,000 tonnes. Its aim is likely to increase the “vertical” amphibious assault capability with the very mountainous East Coast of Taiwan in mind.
As for its specifications, rumors speak of “36,000 tons of displacement”, “capacity of 28 helicopters”, “diesel engine with the 12,000 kW 16PC2-6B” and “four CIWS including two HQ-10 and two H/PJ-11”.https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...-for-the-plan/
China Launches 3rd Type 075 LHD For The PLAN

Pictures shared by local ship spotters on Sina Weibo (a Chinese social media platform) this morning show the construction dock where the second Type 075 was assembled being flooded. Other pictures show the vessel being towed by tug boats next to the second ship-in-class. This is where the shipyard will continue outfitting work over the next few months. The first-in-class Type 075 has been spotted at Sanya naval base since December 2020.
The Hudong Zhonghua shipyard also took the opportunity to launch the second Type 054 A/P Frigate for the Pakistan Navy.
The Hudong Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai already built the first two vessels in the class. The first Type 075 for the PLAN was launched in September 2019 and started sea trials in August 2020 while the second one was launched in April 2020 and started its sea trials in December 2020. This represents an impressive rate of one LHD launched every 6 months.
A total of eight LHDs are said to be on order for the PLAN.At the moment the same yard is also building two Type 054 A/P frigates for the Pakistan Navy and, it appears, a Type 071E LPD for Thailand.

The Chinese Navy officially started development work on the Type 075 in 2011. The project called for a helicopter carrier displacing more than 30,000 tonnes. Its aim is likely to increase the “vertical” amphibious assault capability with the very mountainous East Coast of Taiwan in mind.
As for its specifications, rumors speak of “36,000 tons of displacement”, “capacity of 28 helicopters”, “diesel engine with the 12,000 kW 16PC2-6B” and “four CIWS including two HQ-10 and two H/PJ-11”.
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Rumor is that the F-117 sightings around the SW US (mainly in training exercises) are to simulate a classified upscaled interceptor version of the Chinese YX-280 unmanned target drone.
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Originally Posted By Murrmanski⏩
Be weary of these kind of stories, they serve various purposes for the DOD. Disinformation for China or budget fear mongering, usually.The part about China deploying biological warfare is what should pique interest. Maybe COVID-19 wasn't an accident, but a trial run? Various government think tanks have highlighted that Beijing sees biological warfare as a viable option for conventional warfare.
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Originally Posted By iabs⏩
The US would get bodied by the CCP so bad its not even funny.Fuk the CCP.
That’s all.
That’s all.
What is funny though, is China didn't even have to steal a chit load of land and resources to do it.
Whitecels, particularly the American'ts, are extremely weak and a disgraceful race.
Whitecels, particularly the Brits and the American'ts, have a knack for stealing land and picking on weak countries. All this land stealing and war mongering will be paid in full. Best believe that.
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Originally Posted By StinkholePatrol⏩
I don't think you understand how submarines work buddy.China has made great advances in conventional military and are a force to be reckoned with now. With Biden president they will test the waters soon and move for Taiwan. They will continue to expand their control in their hemisphere for the next decade.
They will not attack the USA with any conventional means until they have an answer for our submarines (no one does). Right now our submarines give us an edge and allow us to be somewhat complacent because even against the most vicious first strike-> They knock out our grid/communications/electronics and neutralize all of our land based ICBM's
Our subs can still surface and take a few(or all) with us.
They will not attack the USA with any conventional means until they have an answer for our submarines (no one does). Right now our submarines give us an edge and allow us to be somewhat complacent because even against the most vicious first strike-> They knock out our grid/communications/electronics and neutralize all of our land based ICBM's
Our subs can still surface and take a few(or all) with us.
They are actually one of the weakest links in the military. Their war head payload is extremely small. Once its fired, its useless. And without a proper refuel station, its even more useless.
And btw, your subs are not that much more advanced than ours.
And if you are the first to use nukes, say goodbye to the US, for good.
And if you fight conventionally, its also goodbye to the US.
You are talking about China. They are the oldest country in the world. Everything the white Eurocels do, is to compete and remain competitive with China and India. Thats why you guys were forced to steal almost the West continent, for which it is currently falling apart due to how it was concieved.
But its a good thing if peeps like you ran things in the military. It would mean more easy victories for us, lol. Cuck.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
Damn, Becky did a number on you, did she even know you were in love with her??The US would get bodied by the CCP so bad its not even funny.
What is funny though, is China didn't even have to steal a chit load of land and resources to do it.
Whitecels, particularly the American'ts, are extremely weak and a disgraceful race.
Whitecels, particularly the Brits and the American'ts, have a knack for stealing land and picking on weak countries. All this land stealing and war mongering will be paid in full. Best believe that.
General Tuna does not forgive nor does he forgit.
What is funny though, is China didn't even have to steal a chit load of land and resources to do it.
Whitecels, particularly the American'ts, are extremely weak and a disgraceful race.
Whitecels, particularly the Brits and the American'ts, have a knack for stealing land and picking on weak countries. All this land stealing and war mongering will be paid in full. Best believe that.
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Once China is finally ready they will take Taiwan very quickly and easily, possibly without even needing warfare. Taiwan has no nuclear or bio weapons and although a minority, a large number of the Taiwanese would welcome the PRC with open arms. The big question will be where will China turn it's eyes toward after Taiwan?
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China is building more underground silos for its ballistic missiles
Satellite images show at least 16 of the launch facilities being constructed in a PLA training area in Inner Mongolia, according to US think tank report
It says they are designed to accommodate the country’s most powerful ICBMs, as it seeks to boost nuclear deterrence
China is building more underground silos from where its most powerful intercontinental ballistic missiles could be launched, according to reports.
They are reportedly being built in the north of the country and are designed to accommodate the DF-41 and DF-31AG missiles that have a range of 10,000km to 14,000km (6,200 to 8,700 miles) – meaning they could reach US territory.
The People’s Liberation Army Rocket Force has begun constructing at least 16 silos in a missile training area west of Wuhai in Inner Mongolia, Washington-based think tank the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) said in a report in late February, citing satellite images.
It said that as military rivalry with the US intensified, China was moving to expand its nuclear deterrence strategy and the missile silos were part of that.
China’s DF-41 missiles can carry multiple nuclear warheads and can be fired from a silo-based platform or a road- or rail-based mobile launcher.
The new underground silos are located in the centre of the Jilantai training base, within a total area of 200 sq km, and are spaced between 2.2km and 4.4km apart so that no two of them can be destroyed in a single nuclear attack, according to the report.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/mili...istic-missilesIt says they are designed to accommodate the country’s most powerful ICBMs, as it seeks to boost nuclear deterrence
China is building more underground silos from where its most powerful intercontinental ballistic missiles could be launched, according to reports.
They are reportedly being built in the north of the country and are designed to accommodate the DF-41 and DF-31AG missiles that have a range of 10,000km to 14,000km (6,200 to 8,700 miles) – meaning they could reach US territory.
The People’s Liberation Army Rocket Force has begun constructing at least 16 silos in a missile training area west of Wuhai in Inner Mongolia, Washington-based think tank the Federation of American Scientists (FAS) said in a report in late February, citing satellite images.
It said that as military rivalry with the US intensified, China was moving to expand its nuclear deterrence strategy and the missile silos were part of that.
China’s DF-41 missiles can carry multiple nuclear warheads and can be fired from a silo-based platform or a road- or rail-based mobile launcher.
The new underground silos are located in the centre of the Jilantai training base, within a total area of 200 sq km, and are spaced between 2.2km and 4.4km apart so that no two of them can be destroyed in a single nuclear attack, according to the report.
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Massive New Chinese Military Heliport Taking Shape Right Across From Taiwan

The coastal base is right across from Taiwan and even closer to other islands Taiwanese authorities control.
Satellite imagery shows significant progress on the construction of what is, by every indication, a massive new military heliport in China very close to the Taiwan Strait. Continued work on the facility, which is around a half a mile from the water's edge, only some 150 miles from Taiwan proper, and even closer to various islands that Taiwanese authorities control, comes amid a surge in charged rhetoric between officials in Beijing and their counterparts in both Taipei and Washington. This makes it strategically positioned to support any future operations to control the Strait or even invade Taiwan.
Twitter user @detresfa_, an independent open-source intelligence analyst who has worked as a consultant to The Intel Lab, an independent intelligence analysis group, first highlighted the recent developments at the facility in Fujian Province's Zhangpu County last week. Work began at the site, the official name of which is unknown, sometime between May and June 2019, based on imagery The War Zone reviewed from Planet Labs.
At present, the heliport has a single runway that is around 2,140 feet long, including a circular turnaround at its eastern end, as well as an adjacent flightline that is just under 6,000 feet in length, but relatively narrow. A satellite image, dated Feb. 18, 2021, which is available through Google Earth, seen above, shows 18 hangars, as well as nine more in various states of construction, along the ramp.
Also visible are 10 helipads in an area to the northeast of the runway, as well as 17 additional spots marked by large squares painted on the tarmac, along the flightline. The latter boxes could be designated areas for starting-up helicopters, according to @detresfa_. What appear to be three Mi-8/Mi-17 Hip-type helicopters, variants of which China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) are known to operate, including in support of special operations forces, are seen parked at the base.https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ss-from-taiwan

The coastal base is right across from Taiwan and even closer to other islands Taiwanese authorities control.
Satellite imagery shows significant progress on the construction of what is, by every indication, a massive new military heliport in China very close to the Taiwan Strait. Continued work on the facility, which is around a half a mile from the water's edge, only some 150 miles from Taiwan proper, and even closer to various islands that Taiwanese authorities control, comes amid a surge in charged rhetoric between officials in Beijing and their counterparts in both Taipei and Washington. This makes it strategically positioned to support any future operations to control the Strait or even invade Taiwan.
Twitter user @detresfa_, an independent open-source intelligence analyst who has worked as a consultant to The Intel Lab, an independent intelligence analysis group, first highlighted the recent developments at the facility in Fujian Province's Zhangpu County last week. Work began at the site, the official name of which is unknown, sometime between May and June 2019, based on imagery The War Zone reviewed from Planet Labs.
At present, the heliport has a single runway that is around 2,140 feet long, including a circular turnaround at its eastern end, as well as an adjacent flightline that is just under 6,000 feet in length, but relatively narrow. A satellite image, dated Feb. 18, 2021, which is available through Google Earth, seen above, shows 18 hangars, as well as nine more in various states of construction, along the ramp.
Also visible are 10 helipads in an area to the northeast of the runway, as well as 17 additional spots marked by large squares painted on the tarmac, along the flightline. The latter boxes could be designated areas for starting-up helicopters, according to @detresfa_. What appear to be three Mi-8/Mi-17 Hip-type helicopters, variants of which China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) are known to operate, including in support of special operations forces, are seen parked at the base.
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China has 2 formal aircraft carriers and 3 amphibious carriers at the moment, below is their third formal aircraft carrier under construction that analysts believe will be as big as our new Ford class carrier. Huge jump in modernization if they can manage to pull it off with a nuclear power plant or the new electromagnetic launch system. China also has a fourth and fifth amphibious carrier beginning construction, averaging as many as 1 every 6 months.

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Lol been following The Diplomat and this thread for Chinese news.
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New submarine threat: Top U.S. general says China pursuing Atlantic naval base

China is moving behind-the-scenes toward establishing a major naval port on the west coast of Africa that would host Chinese submarines and aircraft carriers capable of projecting Beijing‘s military power directly into the Atlantic, a top U.S. military official warned on Thursday.
The top commander for U.S. military operations in Africa said Chinese officials have been approaching countries stretching from Mauritania to south of Namibia in search of where to position the naval facility.
“They’re looking for a place where they can rearm and repair warships. That becomes militarily useful in conflict,” U.S. Gen. Stephen Townsend said in an interview with The Associated Press.
Gen. Townsend, who heads the Pentagon’s Africa Command, added that China‘s military is already close to establishing such a facility in Djibouti, which is situated more than 2,000 miles away in the Horn of Africa on the Indian Ocean side of the continent.
“Now they’re casting their gaze to the Atlantic coast and wanting to get such a base there,” the general said in the interview.
The comments caused a stir among China watchers in Washington, some of whom said the American public should awaken to a reality the Pentagon has been quietly warning about for the past several years: Authoritarian communist government-run China is emerging as a global military power.
“It’s just a matter of time before you have regular surface and subsurface Chinese naval vessels in the Atlantic,” Bradley Bowman, who heads the Center on Military and Political Power at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, told The Washington Times on Thursday.https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...threat-from-a/
China plans to revive strategic Pacific airstrip, Kiribati lawmaker says
China is moving behind-the-scenes toward establishing a major naval port on the west coast of Africa that would host Chinese submarines and aircraft carriers capable of projecting Beijing‘s military power directly into the Atlantic, a top U.S. military official warned on Thursday.
The top commander for U.S. military operations in Africa said Chinese officials have been approaching countries stretching from Mauritania to south of Namibia in search of where to position the naval facility.
“They’re looking for a place where they can rearm and repair warships. That becomes militarily useful in conflict,” U.S. Gen. Stephen Townsend said in an interview with The Associated Press.
Gen. Townsend, who heads the Pentagon’s Africa Command, added that China‘s military is already close to establishing such a facility in Djibouti, which is situated more than 2,000 miles away in the Horn of Africa on the Indian Ocean side of the continent.
“Now they’re casting their gaze to the Atlantic coast and wanting to get such a base there,” the general said in the interview.
The comments caused a stir among China watchers in Washington, some of whom said the American public should awaken to a reality the Pentagon has been quietly warning about for the past several years: Authoritarian communist government-run China is emerging as a global military power.
“It’s just a matter of time before you have regular surface and subsurface Chinese naval vessels in the Atlantic,” Bradley Bowman, who heads the Center on Military and Political Power at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, told The Washington Times on Thursday.
China plans to revive strategic Pacific airstrip, Kiribati lawmaker says
SYDNEY (Reuters)-China has drawn up plans to upgrade an airstrip and bridge on one of Kiribati’s remote islands about 3,000km southwest of Hawaii, lawmakers told Reuters, in a bid to revive a site that hosted military aircraft during World War Two.
The plans, which have not been made public, involve construction on the tiny island of Kanton (also spelled Canton), a coral atoll strategically located midway between Asia and the Americas.
Kiribati opposition lawmaker Tessie Lambourne told Reuters she was concerned about the project, and wanted to know whether it was part of China’s Belt and Road Initiative.
“The government hasn’t shared the cost and other details other than it’s a feasibility study for the rehabilitation of the runway and bridge,” Lambourne told Reuters. “The opposition will be seeking more information from government in due course.”
The office of Kiribati President Taneti Maamau did not respond to questions.
The Chinese foreign ministry did not immediately respond to questions.
Despite being small, Kiribati, a nation of 120,000 residents, controls one of the biggest exclusive economic zones in the world, covering more than 3.5 million square kilometres of the Pacific.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN2CM0IZThe plans, which have not been made public, involve construction on the tiny island of Kanton (also spelled Canton), a coral atoll strategically located midway between Asia and the Americas.
Kiribati opposition lawmaker Tessie Lambourne told Reuters she was concerned about the project, and wanted to know whether it was part of China’s Belt and Road Initiative.
“The government hasn’t shared the cost and other details other than it’s a feasibility study for the rehabilitation of the runway and bridge,” Lambourne told Reuters. “The opposition will be seeking more information from government in due course.”
The office of Kiribati President Taneti Maamau did not respond to questions.
The Chinese foreign ministry did not immediately respond to questions.
Despite being small, Kiribati, a nation of 120,000 residents, controls one of the biggest exclusive economic zones in the world, covering more than 3.5 million square kilometres of the Pacific.
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Originally Posted By Shortfuze⏩
Their military is a fukking joke. The "flagship" of their "Navy" is a derelict 80's Soviet ski jump carrier. Total joke.Sorry, I'm not at all impressed. China's military looks amazing on paper and their military equipment looks pretty but the military hasn't been "tested" since the 1979 border war with Vietnam where the Chinese army were thrashed. It reminds me of how people were freaked out about the enormous size of the Soviet war machine yet they got their assess handed to them in Afghanistan.
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Presentation by FAS in 2011 on China's under-mountain nuclear program:
https://fas.org/nuke/guide/china/Kar...11_reduced.pdf

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Stealthy Variant Of China's Z-20 Black Hawk Clone Emerges In Concept Model Form
China's hard push to master low-observable (stealth) technologies is anything but a secret. With one stealth fighter in service,another in testing, a number of advanced stealthy drones in development, as well as two stealthy long-range strike aircraft, it's only natural for the People's Liberation Army to work toward applying advanced low observable design principles, material sciences, and manufacturing processes to rotary-wing aircraft. We may have just gotten our first glimpse of what that may end up looking like, or at least where such an interest lies.
The model in question was spotted by @HenriKenhmann who runs the Eastpendulum.com website. Henri notes that the screenshot was from the Chinese Helicopter Research & Development Institute, which is a subsidiary of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC).
The aircraft shown appears to be a stealthy adaptation of China's Z-20 medium-lift helicopter, which itself is something of a clone of the H-60 Black Hawk. The Z-20's story is a unique one in itself, as most don't realize that China was a purchaser of the Black Hawk in the '80s, during a period of time when the United States was exporting some military capabilities to China.That ended with the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989. Regardless, the Z-20, like America's H-60/S-70, is quickly evolving into the preeminent multi-service, multi-role platform for the PLA. Harbin Aircraft Industry Group, which makes the Z-20, is also a subsidiary of AVIC.
Using the Z-20 as a basis for a stealthy transport helicopter takes zero imagination as that is exactly what the U.S. military did with its experimental 'Stealth Hawks' that were made famous by the Bin Laden raid in 2011. Those specially modified Black Hawks were really the product of research that dated back to the dawn of the H-60 in U.S. Army service, with other low observable variants coming before it, one of which The War Zone discovered and presented in this exclusive story. In addition, it's worth noting that American stealth helicopter research predated those aircraft on multiple fronts, including decades of research into quieting helicopters and masking their infrared signature, stealth kits for existing military helicopters, and of course the aborted Comanche stealth reconnaissance and attack helicopter program, which resulted in flying prototypes before being canceled. Many other studies by multiple aerospace manufacturers into low observable helicopters occurred over the second half of the 20th Century, as well.https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ept-model-form
China's hard push to master low-observable (stealth) technologies is anything but a secret. With one stealth fighter in service,another in testing, a number of advanced stealthy drones in development, as well as two stealthy long-range strike aircraft, it's only natural for the People's Liberation Army to work toward applying advanced low observable design principles, material sciences, and manufacturing processes to rotary-wing aircraft. We may have just gotten our first glimpse of what that may end up looking like, or at least where such an interest lies.
The model in question was spotted by @HenriKenhmann who runs the Eastpendulum.com website. Henri notes that the screenshot was from the Chinese Helicopter Research & Development Institute, which is a subsidiary of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC).
The aircraft shown appears to be a stealthy adaptation of China's Z-20 medium-lift helicopter, which itself is something of a clone of the H-60 Black Hawk. The Z-20's story is a unique one in itself, as most don't realize that China was a purchaser of the Black Hawk in the '80s, during a period of time when the United States was exporting some military capabilities to China.That ended with the Tiananmen Square Massacre in 1989. Regardless, the Z-20, like America's H-60/S-70, is quickly evolving into the preeminent multi-service, multi-role platform for the PLA. Harbin Aircraft Industry Group, which makes the Z-20, is also a subsidiary of AVIC.
Using the Z-20 as a basis for a stealthy transport helicopter takes zero imagination as that is exactly what the U.S. military did with its experimental 'Stealth Hawks' that were made famous by the Bin Laden raid in 2011. Those specially modified Black Hawks were really the product of research that dated back to the dawn of the H-60 in U.S. Army service, with other low observable variants coming before it, one of which The War Zone discovered and presented in this exclusive story. In addition, it's worth noting that American stealth helicopter research predated those aircraft on multiple fronts, including decades of research into quieting helicopters and masking their infrared signature, stealth kits for existing military helicopters, and of course the aborted Comanche stealth reconnaissance and attack helicopter program, which resulted in flying prototypes before being canceled. Many other studies by multiple aerospace manufacturers into low observable helicopters occurred over the second half of the 20th Century, as well.
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China really doesn't need stealth technology.
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China's 3rd traditional Carrier featuring 2 catapult launchers, no more ski ramp. Not nuclear powered.


The Era of Great Noticing has begun.
Modern liberalism is morally bankrupt and demonic.
Right wing politics is the new counter-culture.
Wincel: "I'm saying even the govt of China, while brutal at times, is NOT our enemy. Period."
Has Beowulf10 ever experienced true love? Where did he go?
Education is humanity's key to salvation.
The 2nd Cold War has begun.
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