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Thread: As a developed first world country, is there a way to stop gun violence in the US?

post 1633882113 03-16-2021, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
A lot of stats in here.

How many U.S. gun homicides are suicide?
I think suicides are marked just as gun deaths not homicide.

I think the other question is how many of these gun homicides are from gang violence and which demographic commits the most gun induced homicides?

Until people start asking honest questions and doing a root cause analysis, and disregarding political correctness and feelings then gun violence will not be reduced.
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Originally Posted By MuscleXtreme⏩
I think suicides are marked just as gun deaths not homicide.

I think the other question is how many of these gun homicides are from gang violence and which demographic commits the most gun induced homicides?

Until people start asking honest questions and doing a root cause analysis, and disregarding political correctness and feelings then gun violence will not be reduced.
No, they're marked as homicide.
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
No, they're marked as homicide.
Interesting, seems disingenuous to place suicides in the same category as homicides.
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A majority of "gun violence" is in the inner cities. Remove that and the overall rate is really low.

1: Cut off the notion/idea of receiving welfare for life. Allow it for a certain amount of years to help those who fall on hard times.
2: Provide more resources for the inner cities and those in poverty.
3: Society is influenced by "gangsta" culture. Discourage it.
4: Focus on the family instead of whatever will provide instant pleasure.
5: Remove the NFA and institute a federal ccw permit with reciprocity.
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Originally Posted By MikeLowrrrey⏩
A lot of stats in here.

How many U.S. gun homicides are suicide?
If I remember correctly there are about 40k gun deaths each year, 50% of them are suicides, 25% are gang violence and 25% are everything else.
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check the party affiliation of all the people who committed gun crimes last year and i bet it's 95%+ the same

simply get rid of that political party and you'll solve the problem
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Originally Posted By Sandmang27⏩
If I remember correctly there are about 40k gun deaths each year, 50% of them are suicides, 25% are gang violence and 25% are everything else.
That 25% of everything else probably still includes other criminals in process of committing a crime even if they aren't shooting at another gang.

The only time any statistically significant amount of legal gun owners commit murder is a domestic violence situation. But taking away guns is not the answer. The answer is better support for women or men in those situations, often they have been beaten several times and the person who hurt them is allowed back in their house, protection orders are hard to get and do **** all. People get barely any jail time at all for domestic violence. Situations most often escalate over time and there is almost always an opportunity there to fix situation. There is often a compounding mental health issue as well and better mental health resources would go a long way as well.
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Originally Posted By jn677⏩
That 25% of everything else probably still includes other criminals in process of committing a crime even if they aren't shooting at another gang.

The only time any statistically significant amount of legal gun owners commit murder is a domestic violence situation. But taking away guns is not the answer. The answer is better support for women or men in those situations, often they have been beaten several times and the person who hurt them is allowed back in their house, protection orders are hard to get and do **** all. People get barely any jail time at all for domestic violence. Situations most often escalate over time and there is almost always an opportunity there to fix situation. There is often a compounding mental health issue as well and better mental health resources would go a long way as well.
Bold is correct. 25% is purely gang on gang violence. So the remaining 25% still has criminals shooting other criminals, criminals shooting cops, criminals shooting innocent people, mass shootings, accidental shootings, justifiable homicide, domestic violence etc.

And yes, domestic violence is a big factor which also won't be solved by banning guns. They'll just use something else.
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As far as I can tell, here are the following issues with the gun control debate

1 - People keep focusing on "weapons of war". This is stupid because 64% of all gun-related murder is handguns. Rifles were involved in 4% and shotguns in 2%. The left, in my opinion, wants to virtual signal and stop things that sound scary then actually focusing on the issue.
in 2017, handguns were involved in the majority (64%) of the 10,982 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI. Rifles – the category that includes many guns that are sometimes referred to as “assault weapons”– were involved in 4%. Shotguns were involved in 2%.
2. The one size fits all approach is stupid. Gun ownership is very different in urban and rural areas. The threat level isn't the same when there are 10 people in a mile radius vs 10,000.
The most urban counties experienced 3.04 times the firearm homicide rate of the most rural counties before adjustment. After adjustment, the most urban counties experienced 1.90 (95% CI=1.50, 2.40) times the firearm homicide rate of the most rural counties
3. A large portion of these guns are obtained illegally.
In the 13 states with the fewest restrictions on gun ownership, 40 percent of inmates illegally obtained the gun they used, Webster said. Only about 13 percent purchased the gun from a store or pawn shop.
4. When you account for suicide, the gun problem looks a LOT better. It still isn't great but it is much better.
There were 39,740 deaths from firearms in the U.S. in 2018. Sixty-one percent of deaths from firearms in the U.S. are suicides. In 2018, 24,432 people in the U.S. died by firearm suicide.1 Firearms are the means in approximately half of suicides nationwide.
From 1989 to 1999, 584629 individuals died from intentional injuries; 57.8% were categorized as suicides and 42.2% as homicides. Firearms were involved in 62.9% of these deaths, and mechanisms other than firearms were involved in 34.5%. Mechanism of death was unknown for the remaining 2.6%.
I think there is a lot that can be done to reduce gun deaths. It's just really frustrating that there is so much misinformation out there. Also, the fact people pretend like the second amendment doesn't exist or interpret it in the stupidest possible way is reaaaally disheartening.
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The OP made a mistake in equating America being a first world nation and then applying that standard to where most gun crimes occur.
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Originally Posted By RIKTER⏩
The OP made a mistake in equating America being a first world nation and then applying that standard to where most gun crimes occur.
America is just too big as a whole.
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Inb4 statistics are racist.

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Most people caught with possession of illegal fire arms are not really put away for long in most of the urban cities, so there are no real consequences.
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Originally Posted By John
If I didn't care about anything else?

- mandatory death penalty for murder with an expedited time frame for appeal. no more stalling the process until the natural end of the killer's life.

- other gun crimes earn mandatory hard labor. length of time depends on severity of crime.

- mandatory reparations to the victims of your crimes. rob someone and your future wages are garnished until the victim is made whole

- ban employers from discriminating against ex cons. Once you do your time you should not be driven back to crime because they cannot get an honest job
Dam, this would work
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Originally Posted By Dan_S⏩
Inb4 statistics are racist.

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Originally Posted By Leonydus⏩
sheeeit
It is not a black problem, it is a socioeconomic problem. How many middle class/ rich black children committ gun crimes?? Yeahh ill wait... that is what I thought
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Originally Posted By ontclone⏩
It is not a black problem, it is a socioeconomic problem. How many middle class/ rich black children committ gun crimes?? Yeahh ill wait... that is what I thought
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If you wanted to cut down a big part of the crime you'd have to get straight to the source, but that wouldn't fly in todays PC culture.
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Revoke guns and gun rights from anyone not legally registered as a citizen, anyone with any history of mental illness and anyone with a police record?

I dunno.
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Originally Posted By ontclone⏩
It is not a black problem, it is a socioeconomic problem. How many middle class/ rich black children committ gun crimes?? Yeahh ill wait... that is what I thought
Are you saying that poor asians commit the same level of gun violence as poor blacks?
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anyone with any history of mental illness
So punish anyone who's had depression during their life, while encouraging people with mental illness to NOT seek treatment. Great plan.
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Originally Posted By RIKTER⏩
Are you saying that poor asians commit the same level of gun violence as poor blacks?
Poor asians are living in US neighborhoods around crime?? What % is that?

Yeah, lebron and shaq's kids are going to be drug dealers and killers because they are black..... righttt??? The only reason
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Originally Posted By Avalanche3319⏩
So punish anyone who's had depression during their life, while encouraging people with mental illness to NOT seek treatment. Great plan.
Vs having a load of mentally ill people armed with guns.
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Originally Posted By ontclone⏩
Poor asians are living in US neighborhoods around crime?? What % is that?

Yeah, lebron and shaq's kids are going to be drug dealers and killers because they are black..... righttt??? The only reason
You tell me, you made the claim that crime committed by black people are social economic related(and I dont completely disagree with that)...now, does that still hold true with asians? Are their crime rates based on their social comic situations similar?
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Originally Posted By ChelshireCat⏩
Vs having a load of mentally ill people armed with guns.
Who defines what is "mentally ill?" You're a female miscer, that is evidence of mental illness in itself.
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Originally Posted By Avalanche3319⏩
Who defines what is "mentally ill?" You're a female miscer, that is evidence of mental illness in itself.
Having any sort of note on your medical record in which a medical professional didn’t believe you to have full control of your mental faculties.
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Originally Posted By RIKTER⏩
You tell me, you made the claim that crime committed by black people are social economic related(and I dont completely disagree with that)...now, does that still hold true with asians? Are their crime rates based on their social comic situations similar?
Why do you keep bring up asians? Is there a bunch of asians in poor neighborhoods?

Why don't u talk about gun crime in Brazil? Colombia? Or Mexico? Most firearm related death. Or does that go against your theory? Poor areas bring violence
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